Galactus and the Silver Surfer vs Superman and all Kryptonians

" @the ace of knaves: travel speed is not  = with combat speed.ss is slow compare with prime or PC superman and prime,SA superman,post crisis superman all of them resist being trasmutate before "

I'm sick and tired of people exaggerating Prime's strength. He's no more than 2 times stronger than Superman. He might be 1.5 times stronger than Superman at most. He has never one shotted Superman ever, and it did not take anymore than 2 Supermen to defeat him. 

 

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Think about it, Superman is afraid is MM, he is one of the few people superman would never want to fight with, MM<<<<SS in terms of versatility, invunerability, and speed and reaction time. SS would rape superman is soo many ways, there is no way for superman to kill or even injure SS, surfer has taken punches from people like Nova, BRB and Thor who call have superman level strength and has been unfrazed, the guy fights in the enter of a blackhole and doesn't even notice his surrounds etc. Supermans punches will mena nothing, he has been able to subdue the likes of Thor in H2H beofre his upgrade, after it he knocked down beta ray bill in 3 blow (drawing blood on the first blow and he was apologizing and looked pained while doing so) and BRB = superman in terms of durability. so your argument about Superman knocking down or giving SS a run for his money is refuted assuming SS only resorts to his strength (which he can easily argument to whatever level he sees fit). as for superman vibrating to match SS's intangibility that wont work because SS doesn't go intangible like the Flashs who vibrate.   As for the kryptonian prep and weapons that will be useless because SS has turned off every machine on earth with a thought. Depending on how the battle plays out there are ways SS can defeat a planet of supermen 1.) Draining them all of their yellow sunlight in their cells, SS has absorbed a star before, he could easily drain them if he wished. 2.)turning their sun into a red giaint 3.)turning their sun into kryptonite 4.)turning their atmosphere into kryptonite  5.)turning them into krptonite 6.)altering their genetic code to negate their powers 7.)Mind raping the whole planet   8.) absorbing their sun so they have no source of power "

" @uknow said:

" @the ace of knaves: travel speed is not  = with combat speed.ss is slow compare with prime or PC superman and prime,SA superman,post crisis superman all of them resist being trasmutate before "

There are scans here that show Silver Surfer move so fast he blows up a bunch of ships almost instantly at the same time. He can fight at high speeds. Wish I could find them though. But Silver Surfer has tons of speed feats you can look up. "

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 Superman is not afriad of the martian he is a difficult character to fight for sure been shape shifter and can do so much he has more power than and feats or all kinds of foolishness. Back to Surfer He cannot beat the man. No matter what power you think he have and can do he wont even get the chance to use all thse so call powers. Back to the topic at hand galactus and SA and Prime.  WHile current supes Beat down and SS :) . "

 

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" @termiteone4ever said:

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 Superman is not afriad of the martian he is a difficult character to fight for sure been shape shifter and can do so much he has more power than and feats or all kinds of foolishness. Back to Surfer He cannot beat the man. No matter what power you think he have and can do he wont even get the chance to use all thse so call powers. Back to the topic at hand galactus and SA and Prime.  WHile current supes Beat down and SS :) . "

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" @Omega-level Supreme:  how? sufer can turn himself into kryptonite then turn the sun red. galactus mops up. "

"@Omega-level Supreme: don't call me boy! :D but seriously, just saying kryptonians without backing it up with any reason why isn't how you debate in battles."

" @the ace of knaves: i know what the gems,are i do read marvel an,  my point is that he got his  butt kick, by the way thanos beat someone with the power gem already.so what happen to surfer "

" @the ace of knaves: first off i am talking about sa superman not modern superman an surfer is not faster than him he has the ultimate speed feat not even surfer has that "

" @difficlus: hell no i ain't giving so far surfer has lost to captain mar-vel, so suck on that defeat while the great thanos show you how a battle is won remember i told u first u an i will make u eat your words how dare u talk about thanos like that "

" @difficlus:  sa superman breaking every dimension till there was only 1 left trying to reach supergirl  that is way more than what surfer did in annihilation wave not even flash has gone that fast an threw so many different universe that spectre had to stop him cause beyond that point no living been pass that point an live "

" @SlimJ87D: prime is much more powerful than superman way way way way more powerful in  Physical strength than current superman 
moving planets FTL,alter reality,busted a dimension with his punch  is way above billions of current supermans
2 supermans beat prime because they  threw him through a red sun and lose his power that is why 
1 punch from prime = KO silver surfer


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Galactus and Surfer should win.

" @SlimJ87D: prime is much more powerful than superman way way way way more powerful in  Physical strength than current superman 
moving planets FTL,alter reality,busted a dimension with his punch  is way above billions of current supermans
2 supermans beat prime because they  threw him through a red sun and lose his power that is why 
1 punch from prime = KO silver surfer


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@termiteone4ever

" @uknow said:

" @SlimJ87D: prime is much more powerful than superman way way way way more powerful in  Physical strength than current superman 
moving planets FTL,alter reality,busted a dimension with his punch  is way above billions of current supermans
2 supermans beat prime because they  threw him through a red sun and lose his power that is why 
1 punch from prime = KO silver surfer


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UKnow you said it :) RIGhT :) thats whats up :) "
 

" @uknow said:

" @SlimJ87D: prime is much more powerful than superman way way way way more powerful in  Physical strength than current superman 
moving planets FTL,alter reality,busted a dimension with his punch  is way above billions of current supermans
2 supermans beat prime because they  threw him through a red sun and lose his power that is why 
1 punch from prime = KO silver surfer


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@termiteone4ever

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" @uknow said:

" @SlimJ87D: prime is much more powerful than superman way way way way more powerful in  Physical strength than current superman 
moving planets FTL,alter reality,busted a dimension with his punch  is way above billions of current supermans
2 supermans beat prime because they  threw him through a red sun and lose his power that is why 
1 punch from prime = KO silver surfer


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UKnow you said it :) RIGhT :) thats whats up :) "
 

 
1. Superman vs Silver Surfer:  

 http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/silver-surfer-vs-superman/2256/
 http://www.comicvine.com/silver-surfer/29-2502/silver-surfer-vs-superman/92-20290/
 http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/silver-surfer-vs-superman/555680/
 http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion/1/silver-surfer-vs-superman/17207/
 
Take your pick, that's the first 4 topics in the search function, Silver Surfer takes majority in all of them. Read throughout them, there are scans of his feats and why he can easily defeat Superman.
 
2. You can't state facts without proof. You claim that he is billions of times stronger than current Superman. I'm going to assume you weren't thinking when you typed that, so lets assume that he's 10 times stronger than Superman. Every feat you claim is Prime being powered by an external source.
-Punching and changing reality, he was amped up by Alexander Luthor's anti-matter energy.
-Moving planets at FTL, when did he ever do that after the big retcon and not powered with an external force.
 
Lastly, if Prime was even close to 10 times stronger than Superman, he would have one-shotted him. Has he ever? No. Imagine being punched in the face cleanly by someone that is 10 times stronger than you. That is equal to taking a sledge hammer to the face. 
 
There is never a clear indication or any clear evidence that you can present that a normal (not amped up by some external mojo force besides the yellow sun) Superboy-prime is anymore than 2 times stronger than current Superman. You'll never be able to prove it unless there is a direct comparison (for example both of them towing planets and you get to see both of their upper limits) or if the creators and writers of DC state it in an interview.  I've talked it over with plenty of Viners who would agree with me, many that are veterans around here.   Here's the deal, if you prove me wrong then I will respond and say, Yes, Superboy-Prime is 10 or if you can prove it, billions of times stronger than Superman. But if you can't or just babble on nonsense or none credible sources then I'll just have to ignore it and move on because it's just a waste of time. "

" @TheCerealKillz:   LOL, don't worry. I'm use to it, I've battled a lot of Prime fan boys that even claim "SA SUPERMAN = SUPERBOY-PRIME" "

If this is all of the Supermans then they Stomp...  SA Superman with PIS beats Galactus but without loses. I agree with the Surfer beating current supes though.

You guys know that Superman can phase throught attacks, right? He saved the whole Omniverse this way. It's not only about defeating Kryptonians. It's about defeating bunch of people who are incredibly intelligent, able to make the Phantom Zone, Doomsday and someone as annoying as Brainiac. People often argue that Zod is equal to Superman. Then if he is, he can take out what Superman can. What feats of invulnerability does Superman have? Surviving a blast equal to 52 Supernova while weakened by Red sun radiation, survive the blast of Imperiex Prime, a blast that killed Doomsay, isn't knocked out by an explosion equal to one million nuclear warhead, etc. I doubt the power of Galactus is equal to 52 Supernova. We're not talking about a Full Fed Galactus. Do you honestly believe that Kryptonians would just stay in the blast and not do anything to dodge it? Superman has access to Torquasm Vo and Rao as well. With Torquasm Vo, he was able to beat Dominus, a reality warper who managed to beat Kismet (Eternity of DC), at his own game. Superman was able to forge his own reality and bring Dominus everywhere he wanted to. He forced Dominus to face him as Kingdom Come Superman and even Superman One Million. Do you think Silver Surfer could survive the Heat Vision of every Kryptonians? God, Silver Surfer has showed himself really weak to physical attacks before. We're not talking about 50 Kryptonians. They are more then that. And Red Sun doesn't depower Kryptonians instantly. Proof? Superman traveled inside RAO, a red sun that was surrounded by Kryptonite and he even took out a blast of heat vision from Superboy Prime. They then crashed landed on Mogo. Wasn't Beta Ray Bill able to crack the armor of Galactus once?

Galactus destoryes their galaxy with one thought.

Galactus and Surfer win here

" Galactus one shot them.   Any galaxy-busting attack will destroy this planet and all of planet's citizens. "

With SA Superman and SMP and prep time dont thinks so.

Silver Surfer solos. 

sufer can die , but galactus is the real problem

Silver Surfer solos. 

                    @Jeronimo said:

                    Silver Surfer solos. 

                   

               

LOLOLOL. He will die 1hitko.  SA superman gets 6 hour prep? Does he know how powerful Galactus is? He can call SOS and 1hitko Galactus but if he does not know how powerful Galactus is, Galactus 1hitko's him. Rest are irrelevant.