Galactus and all his heralds vs Apocalypse (Planet) - Battles

#1 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Galactus is at half strength but has two days prep and has brought his heralds and Taa-II. All his heralds are at full strength.
Apocalypse has one day prep and Darkseid Is at full strength.

No Morals
Bloodlusted
To the death

#2 Posted by TheSpiritStalker (1419 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Galactus and Co.

#3 Posted by Valkaad (2589 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Galactus without his heralds.

#4 Posted by weaponxxx (427 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Haha I thought we were talking En Sabah Nur at first...

Galactus could probably take Apocalypse by himself. With the heralds there's no doubt

#5 Edited by MutenRoshi (851 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

the heralds Surfer, the Destroyer, and Stardust would solo this as a team of 3

no need for Galactus

#6 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (11766 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@TheSpiritStalker said:

Galactus and Co.

With ease.

#7 Posted by jashro44 (9190 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Galactus.

#8 Posted by Killemall (13430 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@weaponxxx said:

Haha I thought we were talking En Sabah Nur at first...
Galactus could probably take Apocalypse by himself. With the heralds there's no doubt

#9 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Really I thought with people like Desaad, Mantis, Darkseid ect... Apocalypse would actually have a chance since Galactus is at half power

#10 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38596 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Galactus could probably solo.

#11 Posted by DeadpoolvIronFist (2403 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Galactus.

#12 Posted by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@Valkaad said:

Galactus without his heralds.

@TheGoldenOne said:

Galactus could probably solo.

@Killemall said:

@weaponxxx said:
Haha I thought we were talking En Sabah Nur at first...
Galactus could probably take Apocalypse by himself. With the heralds there's no doubt

Darkseid's Promethean Giant( DC's Celestials) alone could concievably throw back a half fed Galactus.

@MutenRoshi said:

the heralds Surfer, the Destroyer, and Stardust would solo this as a team of 3
no need for Galactus

Ugh....... no.

Surfer can be dealt with by Takion's equal Stayne. Let's take his fight against, Takion, for instance...he's creating black holes mid battle, which is something I've never seen Surfer do in combat. He's casually stopping time and stepping between the seconds, which is not something that Surfer generally does.

Surfer has some impressive combat feats, but he's also got some astoundingly low showings, where as Stayne/Takion pretty consistently seems to be incredibly powerful.

As for the Destroyer, any weapon that allows someone pull some sh!t like this....

Gives one a pretty good chance against the Destroyer. Zatanna was utilizing Gwydion the Merlin of Living Language,a weapon that the New Gods haphazardly gave to mortals, that Merlin allowed Zatanna go to go toe to toe with a Spectre villain(Zor) without using her powers and break the Fourth Wall.

And please, Stardust is pretty useless in this bout... I mean besides Darkseid being to handle SD on his own(and please don't say that Stardust is immune to damage, there's just to many showing contriacting that), DS could essentially create a army of Stardust's in the Brimestone Corps. Brimstone is a pretty powerful construct, capable of taking on Firestorm (multiple incarnations including ELEMENTAL Firestorm) AND the Detroit League AND a Legion of Superhero member pretty well and they causally create black holes. An army of those would be absolutely unstoppable. Even if you managed to kill it, it becomes a suicide bomber, destroying everything in the vicinity. Its the perfect warrior.

If you want I could go into depth about the exact number and power Darkseid's troops has at disposal. They would seriously wipe the floor with these heralds(all besides Destroyer, maybe).

Not to mention Apokolips is regularly sending out Galactus-like planet-energy suckers, devices that warp reality, monsters that adapt to become whatever you're afraid of, robots and missiles too powerful for Supes to affect, tech capable of shielding the New Gods from the Anti Monitor, tech to trap the godwave empowered Ares, viruses that destroy even Amazo's programming, reality altering type writers and mirrors (seriously), tesserects, tech to rip open the source itself, planet destroying bombs the size of briefcases etc.

And there's the "Father Box", first introduced in Simonson's Orion, has been seen a few times, and is definitely a weapon that Darkseid can produce, apparently en mass. In Orion we saw it materialize a gun, out of nowhere/nothing, that would have killed Darkseid with one shot (to the head, at point blank range, suicide style, to be clear).

In Seven Soldiers, it was powerful enough to enslave all of the Sheeda to Klarion's power, and one half of it was powerful enough to give a girl Zatanna-like powers.

In Superman/Batman, the Father Box held in the position of the JLA (in their trophy room) was called 'The Most Powerful Weapon in the Universe!' by a lil Lex Luthor (alternate universe version of Lex who had been transported to the real earth), and Superman said with it he might "destroy everything"

Slig of the Deep Six (one of Darkseid's minions) actually had a Mother Box, so even some of Darkseid's soldiers have Mother Boxes(YES, the dimension creating- universe busting/recreating motherbox).

And again, I would be more than willing to go into more depth about exactly how powerful Darkseid's tech truly is.

With one day prep and Darkseid being one of the best planners in the DC Multiverse, manipulating gods and mortals and everything in between, then Apokolips takes it but in a suprise attack Galactus and company would win it.

#13 Posted by Boobster (1608 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

You gave Galactus prep ? LOL.

#14 Posted by Killemall (13430 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@YoungGunna: · Surfer created black hole in between fights during Annihilation saga, and in Thanos imperative.

· Surfer has in 3 occasions travelled back in time so he could if he wanted to.

· Yes but surfer is faster , because he has more speed feats.

· Takion might theoretically have more powers, but surfer could just as easily drag him to the astral plane where since Takion is a non-cosmic user would not be able to defeat surfer

· Time manipulation is pretty handy though but not if surfer could speedblitz him or take him into astral plane

· I know he has manipulated Kyle’s Ring not sure he could manipulate surfer’s power cosmic..surfer’s best bet would be to drag him to astral plane and beat him.

· Besides apart from Darksied Takion is the second most powerful character anyways.

Not to mention they have big G in the fight against whom neither can stand for long.

#15 Posted by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@YoungGunna: · Surfer created black hole in between fights during Annihilation saga, and in Thanos imperative.
· Surfer has in 3 occasions travelled back in time so he could if he wanted to.
· Yes but surfer is faster , because he has more speed feats.
· Takion might theoretically have more powers, but surfer could just as easily drag him to the astral plane where since Takion is a non-cosmic user would not be able to defeat surfer
· Time manipulation is pretty handy though but not if surfer could speedblitz him or take him into astral plane
· I know he has manipulated Kyle’s Ring not sure he could manipulate surfer’s power cosmic..surfer’s best bet would be to drag him to astral plane and beat him.
· Besides apart from Darksied Takion is the second most powerful character anyways.
Not to mention they have big G in the fight against whom neither can stand for long.

Sorry about the late reply, I'm on a couple sites at once(Facebook mostly).

Was SS creating multiple Black Holes mid battle effectively? I remember him not showing to great of control doing it while Takion was creating and uncreating black holes with a wave of his hand.

I wasn't doubting whether Surfer could or not but Takion's ability to consistently use stopping and going back in time offensively mid battle(against powerful opponents) would defiantly put Takion a tier up on Surfer in that department.

A couple reason's why I think the astral plane thing won't work?
Classic Takion was much more powerful than the Silver Surfer, so can you show Surfer dragging someone there on Takion's power level?
How would that work seeing as they have prep?
Oh, and Takion could easily escape the astral plane( this a guy who can merge his mind with the entire universe) and he's omniscient.

Huh? I never said anything about Surfer's speed. But Takion is fast though, he and insane Lightray were fighting at FTL speeds.

I guess you didn't know but Takion is pretty well indestructible and can turn intangible. And show me Surfer Successfully blitzing( and beating) an opponent more powerful than himself?

Why do you doubt Takion not being able to manipulate the Power Cosmic? I could give you plenty of instance where Surfer has had his Power Cosmic tampered with - Dynamo City so effectively absorbed all of his energy that he had no powers as soon as he entered, and nearly died. Doom has done it, as has a Doombot (but with Surfer's permission). Dampyre did it in the Starmasters series, as well. Captain Reptyl's machines kept him absorbed and helpless. I don't know, probably others that I am forgetting - Takion demonstrated greater control over energy than Captain Atom(who has created and destroyed entire universes MULTIPLE TIMES) and can manipulate Oan energy which has been shown incredibly difficult to manipulate (besides by Pot Devices).

As I stated earlier, Takion has much more raw power than Silver Surfer(due to his connection with the source), yeah, but he's not particularly GREAT with those powers. Surfer has a chance against him just through sheer capability.

But he did beat Captain Atom, Kyle and Flash simultaneously and he wasn't so great at handling all the omniscient input at the beginning, though he seemed to adjust when he ascended to the position of Highfather.

And No, although Big G could easily beat Darkseid and Stayne, the Promethean Giant in which Darkseid has control over would easily be a match to a half fed Galactus -- Promethean Giants are essentially DC's Celestials, they operate on another scale in terms of perception, and their personal power and technology was so advanced that the only thing they didn't conquer was The Source. There pretty much unstoppable, Orion w/ ALE was the only thing capable of stopping it from crushing the Earth like a grape( even he was shaking at first).

#16 Posted by Killemall (13430 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@YoungGunna: Firstly, you do not have to be physically more powerful than the person whom you are dragging to the astral plane, you just need to be a power powerful telepath. Since Takion is not a powerful telepath, I don’t see why surfer couldn’t drag him to the astral plane. Which I see would be the best option.

The reason I bought in speed was because I am assuming Surfer can drag him to astral plane before he can stop time. I was not aware of his FLT speed, but a question, what can he do when he controls time?? Can he stop time and kill the person fighting?? Sorry I am simply not aware of his powers, any help would be appreciated.

Surfer did create seemingly 3 blackholes, I don’t remember whether he uncreated them with ease or not, so I will get back on that part.

I have absolutely no knowledge about the promethean Giants so no comments on that part either.

#17 Posted by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@YoungGunna: Firstly, you do not have to be physically more powerful than the person whom you are dragging to the astral plane, you just need to be a power powerful telepath. Since Takion is not a powerful telepath, I don’t see why surfer couldn’t drag him to the astral plane. Which I see would be the best option.
The reason I bought in speed was because I am assuming Surfer can drag him to astral plane before he can stop time. I was not aware of his FLT speed, but a question, what can he do when he controls time?? Can he stop time and kill the person fighting?? Sorry I am simply not aware of his powers, any help would be appreciated.
Surfer did create seemingly 3 blackholes, I don’t remember whether he uncreated them with ease or not, so I will get back on that part.
I have absolutely no knowledge about the promethean Giants so no comments on that part either.

Takion isn't just physically more powerful , he is on a completely different scale than Surfer in terms of overall raw power.
And as stated earlier, Takion has merged his mind with the entire UNIVERSE and is omniscient. I'm certain that there were abilities that Takion had as his position as new Highfather, being directly connected to the source, that Highfather didn't(who has shown considerable amount of telapathy himself).

Yea, but even if Surfer tried to bring him to the plane, whats stopping Takion from escaping?
And when has Surfer shown the ability to bring an opponent as overall powerful as Takion(who literally has Skyfather potential)?

Yep , Takion has shown stopping time mid battle and stepping back seconds in time mid battle to attack opponents although he wouldn't kill anyone with morals so I can't answer that question.

#18 Posted by Killemall (13430 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@YoungGunna: Again back to the same thing, it matters little how power you are in terms of physical strength or overall raw power, it only matters how powerful he is in terms of mental prowess. If you have no defence against telepathy, does not matter if you are a galactus level being; you can still be dragged to astral plane.

In order to leave astral plane you either need to beat silver surfer which I seriously don’t think he can because it was stated that a non-cosmic user cannot beat surfer on the astral plane because it is the source of this power ; or surfer needs to let him leave which we are arguing against.

But there are 2 problems I see here:

· Although just because Takion is a high father does not mean he should have telepathy, but if he has shown telepathy feats and he is at or above a planetary level then surfer would have massive problem dragging him to the astral plane, in which case based on your arguments I don’t really see surfer winning.

· Another problem I see is the time stopping thing. I don’t know how potent he is with this, but time stopping power are just very difficult to overcome. Should he use this power properly Surfer will have a hell of a problem.

o Only question: can he stop time and KO surfer before surfer can drag him to astral plane? IF he can then he takes it, if he can’t surfer should be able to take it.

#19 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

team stomparooney

#20 Posted by YoungGunna (2439 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@YoungGunna: Again back to the same thing, it matters little how power you are in terms of physical strength or overall raw power, it only matters how powerful he is in terms of mental prowess. If you have no defence against telepathy, does not matter if you are a galactus level being; you can still be dragged to astral plane.
In order to leave astral plane you either need to beat silver surfer which I seriously don’t think he can because it was stated that a non-cosmic user cannot beat surfer on the astral plane because it is the source of this power ; or surfer needs to let him leave which we are arguing against.
But there are 2 problems I see here:
· Although just because Takion is a high father does not mean he should have telepathy, but if he has shown telepathy feats and he is at or above a planetary level then surfer would have massive problem dragging him to the astral plane, in which case based on your arguments I don’t really see surfer winning.
· Another problem I see is the time stopping thing. I don’t know how potent he is with this, but time stopping power are just very difficult to overcome. Should he use this power properly Surfer will have a hell of a problem.
o Only question: can he stop time and KO surfer before surfer can drag him to astral plane? IF he can then he takes it, if he can’t surfer should be able to take it.

I can see your points but this is like asking if Surfer could beat Zeus because he hasn't shown planetary level mental feats he is sill overall of a higher level. Takion HAS shown mental abilities in communicating with Highfather, the Source, and once even the entire UNIVERSE with telapathy and I have never seen him effected by telapathy at all.

And as for the problems, like I stated earlier Takion is more powerful BUT he's not a warrior at all, Surfer is much more effective using his abilities which is the reason there fights could go either way. Though Takion would take more IMO due to me not seeing the astral plane trick working but Takion manipulating his energy and stopping time are definitely possibilities that would work espicially if this is his omniscient self..

#21 Edited by weaponmaster (1412 posts) - 1 year, 6 months ago - Show Bio

Galactus' fate in this battle:

An army of Darkseid avatars can get the job done.

Edit: Limit your responses to a few sentences as I will ignore mulit-paragraph dissertations. If you cannot make your point in a few sentences or a paragraph at the most you have more than likely already lost and simply seek to win through attrition.

#22 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Galactus And Heralds.

#23 Posted by Hoboseid (1022 posts) - 1 year, 2 months ago - Show Bio

Destroyer (yes the Asgardian killing machine was a herald)

He opens his visor and Apocalypse gets turned into ash

Darkseid can be very durable so he might take another strike to kill him but he still dies