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Do they get prep??
And Which form of frieza?
@zackattack529 said:
Do they get prep??
And Which form of frieza?
Does it matter? Any form of Frieza wins.
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
Do they get prep??
And Which form of frieza?
Does it matter? Any form of Frieza wins.
Yes it actually does because if SpaceGodzilla gets any prep at all to build his crystals Frieza is going to get stomped very badly!
Depending how much prep they get, this can be a mismatch.
With just what the OP posted Space godzilla wins easily.
Frieza would need some pretty major feats to survive at least for dear-life so this wont be a mismatch. I feel like flaggin right now but im not a snitch.
@zackattack529 said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
Do they get prep??
And Which form of frieza?
Does it matter? Any form of Frieza wins.
Yes it actually does because if SpaceGodzilla gets any prep at all to build his crystals Frieza is going to get stomped very badly!
Depending how much prep they get, this can be a mismatch.
With just what the OP posted Space godzilla wins easily.
Frieza would need some pretty major feats to survive at least for dear-life so this wont be a mismatch. I feel like flaggin right now but im not a snitch.
Assuming this is a random encounter what is stopping Frieza from launching Planet Busting blasts at Space Godzilla?
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
Do they get prep??
And Which form of frieza?
Does it matter? Any form of Frieza wins.
Yes it actually does because if SpaceGodzilla gets any prep at all to build his crystals Frieza is going to get stomped very badly!
Depending how much prep they get, this can be a mismatch.
With just what the OP posted Space godzilla wins easily.
Frieza would need some pretty major feats to survive at least for dear-life so this wont be a mismatch. I feel like flaggin right now but im not a snitch.
Assuming this is a random encounter what is stopping Frieza from launching Planet Busting blasts at Space Godzilla?
How are those Planetbusting attacks going to be attempted if Space Godzilla just uses his crystals to bombard frieza while Space Godzilla can charge up his beam in full and the crystals will lift frieza up paralyzing him. and godzilla will have a clean shot. Every DBZ character needs to charge up there attacks, and if frieza is base form means he'd have a long way to go to get to 100% final form, which will be useless since frieza won't even get close to him.
@zackattack529 said:
Every DBZ character needs to charge up there attacks, and if frieza is base form means he'd have a long way to go to get to 100% final form, which will be useless since frieza won't even get close to him.
This is by no means true. Base Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta with a flick of his finger. I think you're exaggerating things which is typical. I can barely remember any character that needed to charge an attack at all. And do you know how fast they are by Frieza saga? Frieza would run circles around Space Godzilla. And if you said Space Godzilla needed prep to build crystals to bombard him then why would he do it in a random encounter?
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
Every DBZ character needs to charge up there attacks, and if frieza is base form means he'd have a long way to go to get to 100% final form, which will be useless since frieza won't even get close to him.
This is by no means true. Base Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta with a flick of his finger. I think you're exaggerating things which is typical. I can barely remember any character that needed to charge an attack at all. And do you know how fast they are by Frieza saga? Frieza would run circles around Space Godzilla. And if you said Space Godzilla needed prep to build crystals to bombard him then why would he do it in a random encounter?
Umm because Spacegodzilla has huge crystal conductors on his shoulders?? duh.
and Are you serious??
Every character needs to charge up an attack in DBZ!?!, unless they are punching or kicking .
Look at friezas strongest move, Notice how he CHARGES IT UP? and does nothing..well yaa Space godzilla will already have used his almighty corona beam. and also while space godzilla is charging up for his attack his should crystals can just suck up the energy from frieza.
@zackattack529 said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
Every DBZ character needs to charge up there attacks, and if frieza is base form means he'd have a long way to go to get to 100% final form, which will be useless since frieza won't even get close to him.
This is by no means true. Base Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta with a flick of his finger. I think you're exaggerating things which is typical. I can barely remember any character that needed to charge an attack at all. And do you know how fast they are by Frieza saga? Frieza would run circles around Space Godzilla. And if you said Space Godzilla needed prep to build crystals to bombard him then why would he do it in a random encounter?
Umm because Spacegodzilla has huge crystal conductors on his shoulders?? duh.
and Are you serious??
Every character needs to charge up an attack in DBZ!?!, unless they are punching or kicking .
Look at friezas strongest move, Notice how he CHARGES IT UP? and does nothing..well yaa Space godzilla will already have used his almighty corona beam. and also while space godzilla is charging up for his attack his should crystals can just suck up the energy from frieza.
So what if he has crystals on his shoulders. You just said he needed prep to bombard him with them. Don't contradict yourself now.
And are you serious? Did Nappa charge his continent wiping move? No. Did Piccolo charge his moon buster? Nope. Did Broly charge his Omega Buster? Nah.
Charging is only necessary when they are matching someones blast. Other then that they hardly charged their blasts for more than a few seconds.
This is Frieza's best move, the death ball couldn't even take Namek out in one shot. But Supernova destroyed Vegeta rather quickly.
Come at me bro.
Dat space godzilla grew inside a black hole, that sh!t is scary
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
Every DBZ character needs to charge up there attacks, and if frieza is base form means he'd have a long way to go to get to 100% final form, which will be useless since frieza won't even get close to him.
This is by no means true. Base Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta with a flick of his finger. I think you're exaggerating things which is typical. I can barely remember any character that needed to charge an attack at all. And do you know how fast they are by Frieza saga? Frieza would run circles around Space Godzilla. And if you said Space Godzilla needed prep to build crystals to bombard him then why would he do it in a random encounter?
Umm because Spacegodzilla has huge crystal conductors on his shoulders?? duh.
and Are you serious??
Every character needs to charge up an attack in DBZ!?!, unless they are punching or kicking .
Look at friezas strongest move, Notice how he CHARGES IT UP? and does nothing..well yaa Space godzilla will already have used his almighty corona beam. and also while space godzilla is charging up for his attack his should crystals can just suck up the energy from frieza.
So what if he has crystals on his shoulders. You just said he needed prep to bombard him with them. Don't contradict yourself now.
And are you serious? Did Nappa charge his continent wiping move? No. Did Piccolo charge his moon buster? Nope. Did Broly charge his Omega Buster? Nah.
Charging is only necessary when they are matching someones blast. Other then that they hardly charged their blasts for more than a few seconds.
This is Frieza's best move, the death ball couldn't even take Namek out in one shot. But Supernova destroyed Vegeta rather quickly.
Come at me bro.
Umm you might wanna read it over because i said with prep he can build more crystals, i never said he needed prep to uses his shoulder crystals..im starting to think you know nothing of Space godzilla and your just a DBZ fan boy...hmm
Anyways ok fine only for BROLY ill agree because he is a beast and can possibly go One on One with the Great One! (Godzilla) So yaa but every other DBZ character is nothing compared to Godzilla and NEEDS to charge
And now you say Charging is necessary for matching someones blast? you sure about that? how many DBZ episodes have you even seen?
And wow...his strongest move needs to CHARGE lol I admit that is a very powerful move Its basically a sun crashing into the earth...but he won't be able to use it because it needs to charge!
@zackattack529 said:
And wow...his strongest move needs to CHARGE lol I admit that is a very powerful move Its basically a sun crashing into the earth...but he won't be able to use it because it needs to charge!
Ussually they need to charge only when they are going all out. Frieza is so powerful that only a tiny fraction of his power is necessary to destroy a planet.
But assuming he needs to charge his every attack for a few seconds, what difference would that make? He could dodge SG attacks while charging his attack.
@Mortein: Wrong, because Frieza would be too busy dodging a bombardment of attacks form Space Godzillas Crystals.
@zackattack529 said:
@Mortein: Wrong, because Frieza would be too busy dodging a bombardment of attacks form Space Godzillas Crystals.
Are you saying that DBZ characters become immovable while charging their attack?
Basically, I see nothing that would stop him from dodging attacks from SG while simultaneously charging his.
On top of that I don't even think it would take long for him to charge his attack, since long charging ups in anime were just fillers (most of the time)
Godzilla bites his stupid head off. If he can get hurt by a sword at his strongest, he can get hurt by Godzilla.
So this crystals can destroy planets? Proves? Scans? Movies?@Mortein: Wrong, because Frieza would be too busy dodging a bombardment of attacks form Space Godzillas Crystals.
@GiygasTheInfinite said:
Godzilla bites his stupid head off. If he can get hurt by a sword at his strongest, he can get hurt by Godzilla.
He got hurt by a sword wielded by a Super Saiyan. The same character tanked a planet busting explosion after getting cut in half and blasted by an attack that was so powerful it visible warped his head as it was hitting him. Stop trying to lowball DBZ characters based on a showing from a more powerful character.
And I really don't see how Godzilla can tag Frieza with anything. Goku proved he was FTL in his fight with the Ginyu Force, when his PL was only 90k. Frieza >>>>> Ginyu saga Goku. Sometimes, it feels like I'm the only one that remembers that Goku phases through Burter and Jeice's attacks with raw speed.
He isn't lowballing DBZ characters. He is overrating Godzilla-characters. Frieza will one-shot Godzilla, even considering that sharp objects are very usefull agaisnt normal Saiyans, Frieza's people, Cell and humans.@GiygasTheInfinite said:
Godzilla bites his stupid head off. If he can get hurt by a sword at his strongest, he can get hurt by Godzilla.
He got hurt by a sword wielded by a Super Saiyan. The same character tanked a planet busting explosion after getting cut in half and blasted by an attack that was so powerful it visible warped his head as it was hitting him. Stop trying to lowball DBZ characters based on a showing from a more powerful character.
And I really don't see how Godzilla can tag Frieza with anything. Goku proved he was FTL in his fight with the Ginyu Force, when his PL was only 90k. Frieza >>>>> Ginyu saga Goku. Sometimes, it feels like I'm the only one that remembers that Goku phases through Burter and Jeice's attacks with raw speed.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus said:He isn't lowballing DBZ characters. He is overrating Godzilla-characters. Frieza will one-shot Godzilla, even considering that sharp objects are very usefull agaisnt normal Saiyans, Frieza's people, Cell and humans. IDK what is going here. Currently Godzilla's characters are putted against Surfer, Frieza, Hal Jordan and WB Hulk ,while they have only city-level feats. One of these guys even belive that Space Godzilla can give a fight to TOAA (sic!).@GiygasTheInfinite said:
Godzilla bites his stupid head off. If he can get hurt by a sword at his strongest, he can get hurt by Godzilla.
He got hurt by a sword wielded by a Super Saiyan. The same character tanked a planet busting explosion after getting cut in half and blasted by an attack that was so powerful it visible warped his head as it was hitting him. Stop trying to lowball DBZ characters based on a showing from a more powerful character.
And I really don't see how Godzilla can tag Frieza with anything. Goku proved he was FTL in his fight with the Ginyu Force, when his PL was only 90k. Frieza >>>>> Ginyu saga Goku. Sometimes, it feels like I'm the only one that remembers that Goku phases through Burter and Jeice's attacks with raw speed.
Uh what? Since when are sharp objects useful against high tier DBZ characters? Would you like me to cite some feats of high tier DBZ characters tanking sharp objects?
Against Buu, Androids or Super Saiyans they're not, but Krillan was also able to cut Frieza's tail with his "sun-shield" (I am not sure how these attacks were called in english). Yet, it doesn't matter here, Frieza will one-shot SG.@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus said:He isn't lowballing DBZ characters. He is overrating Godzilla-characters. Frieza will one-shot Godzilla, even considering that sharp objects are very usefull agaisnt normal Saiyans, Frieza's people, Cell and humans. IDK what is going here. Currently Godzilla's characters are putted against Surfer, Frieza, Hal Jordan and WB Hulk ,while they have only city-level feats. One of these guys even belive that Space Godzilla can give a fight to TOAA (sic!).@GiygasTheInfinite said:
Godzilla bites his stupid head off. If he can get hurt by a sword at his strongest, he can get hurt by Godzilla.
He got hurt by a sword wielded by a Super Saiyan. The same character tanked a planet busting explosion after getting cut in half and blasted by an attack that was so powerful it visible warped his head as it was hitting him. Stop trying to lowball DBZ characters based on a showing from a more powerful character.
And I really don't see how Godzilla can tag Frieza with anything. Goku proved he was FTL in his fight with the Ginyu Force, when his PL was only 90k. Frieza >>>>> Ginyu saga Goku. Sometimes, it feels like I'm the only one that remembers that Goku phases through Burter and Jeice's attacks with raw speed.
Uh what? Since when are sharp objects useful against high tier DBZ characters? Would you like me to cite some feats of high tier DBZ characters tanking sharp objects?
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus said:Against Buu, Androids or Super Saiyans they're not, but Krillan was also able to cut Frieza's tail with his "sun-shield" (I am not sure how these attacks were called in english). Yet, it doesn't matter here, Frieza will one-shot SG.@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus said:He isn't lowballing DBZ characters. He is overrating Godzilla-characters. Frieza will one-shot Godzilla, even considering that sharp objects are very usefull agaisnt normal Saiyans, Frieza's people, Cell and humans. IDK what is going here. Currently Godzilla's characters are putted against Surfer, Frieza, Hal Jordan and WB Hulk ,while they have only city-level feats. One of these guys even belive that Space Godzilla can give a fight to TOAA (sic!).@GiygasTheInfinite said:
Godzilla bites his stupid head off. If he can get hurt by a sword at his strongest, he can get hurt by Godzilla.
He got hurt by a sword wielded by a Super Saiyan. The same character tanked a planet busting explosion after getting cut in half and blasted by an attack that was so powerful it visible warped his head as it was hitting him. Stop trying to lowball DBZ characters based on a showing from a more powerful character.
And I really don't see how Godzilla can tag Frieza with anything. Goku proved he was FTL in his fight with the Ginyu Force, when his PL was only 90k. Frieza >>>>> Ginyu saga Goku. Sometimes, it feels like I'm the only one that remembers that Goku phases through Burter and Jeice's attacks with raw speed.
Uh what? Since when are sharp objects useful against high tier DBZ characters? Would you like me to cite some feats of high tier DBZ characters tanking sharp objects?
It's called the Destructo Disk in English, or Kienzan in Japanese. Either way, that is a powerful energy attack that's been shown to cut through nearly anything. It's hardly comparable to a sharp object. In fact the only things that has ever been shown to not be able to cut was SS2 Gohan, and Perfect Cell. And I agree with you that Frieza one shots Godzilla, but that's not really the point.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: Ok, but it still is "only" an energy disk. Yajirobei's sword was also able to cut off Vegeta's tail. And Trunks was able to cut trough Frieza like nothing. I agree that SS2, Androids and Perfect Cell proved to be highly resistant to sharp objects (swords, Destructo Disk), but Frieza nor normal Saiyans never proved to be.
Yajirobe had a power level of nearly 1000, and he attacked Vegeta's weak spot when he had already been wounded. Trunks was more powerful than Frieza, so he was able to cut him.
Nappa flew through a jet when he attacked the military. That's a huge feat of durability vs sharp objects. If DBZ characters had some kind of nonsense weakness to sharp objects punching through rocks and metal would cut their hands. It doesn't. Armor piercing bullets would also kill DBZ characters.
1000 or not - it doesn't matter. He isn't even as strong as Spider-Man. Vegeta after fight with Frieza in normal state had problems with his own weight under 400G (60 kg x 400 = 24 tons, so he was at best 72 tonner). And it isn't a weak spot when it is cutted off. It is a weak spot when someone is holding it.@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: Ok, but it still is "only" an energy disk. Yajirobei's sword was also able to cut off Vegeta's tail. And Trunks was able to cut trough Frieza like nothing. I agree that SS2, Androids and Perfect Cell proved to be highly resistant to sharp objects (swords, Destructo Disk), but Frieza nor normal Saiyans never proved to be.Yajirobe had a power level of nearly 1000, and he attacked Vegeta's weak spot when he had already been wounded. Trunks was more powerful than Frieza, so he was able to cut him.
Nappa flew through a jet when he attacked the military. That's a huge feat of durability vs sharp objects. If DBZ characters had some kind of nonsense weakness to sharp objects punching through rocks and metal would cut their hands. It doesn't. Armor piercing bullets would also kill DBZ characters.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus said:1000 or not - it doesn't matter. He isn't even as strong as Spider-Man. Vegeta after fight with Frieza in normal state had problems with his own weight under 400G (60 kg x 400 = 24 tons, so he was at best 72 tonner). And it isn't a weak spot when it is cutted off. It is a weak spot when someone is holding it. Just because Trunk was more powerfull than Frieza, doesn't mean that he should cut him, because this sword should broke when it touched Frieza's body. Similar with Yajirobe's sword. And contact with jet is rather a blunt force impact, then one with sharp object. The same with bullets.@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: Ok, but it still is "only" an energy disk. Yajirobei's sword was also able to cut off Vegeta's tail. And Trunks was able to cut trough Frieza like nothing. I agree that SS2, Androids and Perfect Cell proved to be highly resistant to sharp objects (swords, Destructo Disk), but Frieza nor normal Saiyans never proved to be.Yajirobe had a power level of nearly 1000, and he attacked Vegeta's weak spot when he had already been wounded. Trunks was more powerful than Frieza, so he was able to cut him.
Nappa flew through a jet when he attacked the military. That's a huge feat of durability vs sharp objects. If DBZ characters had some kind of nonsense weakness to sharp objects punching through rocks and metal would cut their hands. It doesn't. Armor piercing bullets would also kill DBZ characters.
Basically, everything you said there is wrong for one reason or another.
Gravity: A DBZ character's strength isn't a constant value. They can raise and lower their power level at will. For that reason, any showing when a DBZ character isn't at their maximum power, (such as Vegeta's gravity training) is invalid. The fact that Vegeta suppressed to an unknown degree can barely lift 72 tons doesn't really tell us anything.
Smashing through a jet is not blunt force. If you want to test this yourself, go punch through a window and see what happens to your hand. Jagged aluminum and steel is sharper than glass.
Why do you think grabbing a Saiyan's tail hurts them? It's because it is less durable, less resistant to kinetic force than the rest of their body. The act of grabbing their tail isn't some kind of sorcery. It puts pressure on it.
Yes, the fact that Trunks cut Frieza is because he's stronger than him. How do I know this? Simple. Frieza has tanked more significant sharp objects than a sword. Like, for example, a planet blowing up. And yes, a planet blowing up is a sharp force. Do you have any idea how much shrapnel would be produced by a planet exploding? It's like a giant frag grenade. And I have no idea where you got the idea from that Trunks' sword should have broke. It didn't break when he hit Goku's finger with it. And as for Yajirobe, I love how you ignored my statement that his power level is almost 1000, and Vegeta was already weakened from fighting Goku.
You're as strong as Your best feats, You can't sum energy levels and say that one person have 1000 energy level and other has 1,000,000 then second one is 1,000 times stronger than first one.
Basically, everything you said there is wrong for one reason or another.
Gravity: A DBZ character's strength isn't a constant value. They can raise and lower their power level at will. For that reason, any showing when a DBZ character isn't at their maximum power, (such as Vegeta's gravity training) is invalid. The fact that Vegeta suppressed to an unknown degree can barely lift 72 tons doesn't really tell us anything.
Smashing through a jet is not blunt force. If you want to test this yourself, go punch through a window and see what happens to your hand. Jagged aluminum and steel is sharper than glass.
Why do you think grabbing a Saiyan's tail hurts them? It's because it is less durable, less resistant to kinetic force than the rest of their body. The act of grabbing their tail isn't some kind of sorcery. It puts pressure on it.
Yes, the fact that Trunks cut Frieza is because he's stronger than him. How do I know this? Simple. Frieza has tanked more significant sharp objects than a sword. Like, for example, a planet blowing up. And yes, a planet blowing up is a sharp force. Do you have any idea how much shrapnel would be produced by a planet exploding? It's like a giant frag grenade. And I have no idea where you got the idea from that Trunks' sword should have broke. It didn't break when he hit Goku's finger with it. And as for Yajirobe, I love how you ignored my statement that his power level is almost 1000, and Vegeta was already weakened from fighting Goku.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus said:You're as strong as Your best feats, You can't sum energy levels and say that one person have 1000 energy level and other has 1,000,000 then second one is 1,000 times stronger than first one. Vegeta after fight with Frieza was barely able to lift himself in 400g. Vegeta in ape form had to be stronger physically than that, even if he had weaker energy projection. They didn't punched a sharp object. No, it is not the reason why it is their weak point. The reason is that holding it can paralyze them. No, it isn't. Huge explosion isn't the same. It doesn't have anything with energy level. Energy level allowed him to take high level of energy projection attack. But if 70 tonner, like Ms. Marvel would punch him in the face, he probably will be KOd. Yaijrobe wasn't even 10 tonner, so his power level doesn't matter. I don't care about power levels, that doesn't tell us anything about the character. We can't say that person with higher level is stronger physically, faster or has better energy projection. One can be much faster, when other one will have greater EP. Since it is useless, I wasn't going to answer about his power level at all.Basically, everything you said there is wrong for one reason or another.
Gravity: A DBZ character's strength isn't a constant value. They can raise and lower their power level at will. For that reason, any showing when a DBZ character isn't at their maximum power, (such as Vegeta's gravity training) is invalid. The fact that Vegeta suppressed to an unknown degree can barely lift 72 tons doesn't really tell us anything.
Smashing through a jet is not blunt force. If you want to test this yourself, go punch through a window and see what happens to your hand. Jagged aluminum and steel is sharper than glass.
Why do you think grabbing a Saiyan's tail hurts them? It's because it is less durable, less resistant to kinetic force than the rest of their body. The act of grabbing their tail isn't some kind of sorcery. It puts pressure on it.
Yes, the fact that Trunks cut Frieza is because he's stronger than him. How do I know this? Simple. Frieza has tanked more significant sharp objects than a sword. Like, for example, a planet blowing up. And yes, a planet blowing up is a sharp force. Do you have any idea how much shrapnel would be produced by a planet exploding? It's like a giant frag grenade. And I have no idea where you got the idea from that Trunks' sword should have broke. It didn't break when he hit Goku's finger with it. And as for Yajirobe, I love how you ignored my statement that his power level is almost 1000, and Vegeta was already weakened from fighting Goku.
So, you deny both power levels, and real world physics? Okay, I think we're done here.
Do me a favor, go punch a jagged piece of flint until you understand that it's sharp.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: Power level don't give us anything and real world physics doesn't work in this way in manga/comics. You can punch Hulk very hard and he won't feel it, but he will feel Wendigo's claws. Similar with Strong Guy and Rahne's claws.
I disagree. And that's about as far as we can go with this debate, because we literally hold exactly opposite opinions. If you don't believe real world physics and power levels mean anything, than this debate is pointless. For example, since real world physics don't mean anything, you can't prove that Vegeta can only lift 72 tons. Who's to say that DBZ tons don't weigh 999 Ducentillion times more than Earth tons? You can't disprove it without real world physics. Confirmed: Vegeta stronger than TOAA because I say so and under your parameters there's no way you can prove me wrong.
I am not saying that their don't mean anything, I am saying that it was proved that in this case they work differently.@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: Power level don't give us anything and real world physics doesn't work in this way in manga/comics. You can punch Hulk very hard and he won't feel it, but he will feel Wendigo's claws. Similar with Strong Guy and Rahne's claws.I disagree. And that's about as far as we can go with this debate, because we literally hold exactly opposite opinions. If you don't believe real world physics and power levels mean anything, than this debate is pointless. For example, since real world physics don't mean anything, you can't prove that Vegeta can only lift 72 tons. Who's to say that DBZ tons don't weigh 999 Ducentillion times more than Earth tons? You can't disprove it without real world physics. Confirmed: Vegeta stronger than TOAA because I say so and under your parameters there's no way you can prove me wrong.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus said:I am not saying that their don't mean anything, I am saying that it was proved that in this case they work differently. Similar with Black Holes. Once they are just end of Your life in comic, sometimes they are just a protal to different place of universe. Or to other universe, dimension or even point in time. Power levels don't tell us anything. You can't prove that all people with higher power level are faster,stronger, have better energy projection, healing factor or travel speed.@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: Power level don't give us anything and real world physics doesn't work in this way in manga/comics. You can punch Hulk very hard and he won't feel it, but he will feel Wendigo's claws. Similar with Strong Guy and Rahne's claws.I disagree. And that's about as far as we can go with this debate, because we literally hold exactly opposite opinions. If you don't believe real world physics and power levels mean anything, than this debate is pointless. For example, since real world physics don't mean anything, you can't prove that Vegeta can only lift 72 tons. Who's to say that DBZ tons don't weigh 999 Ducentillion times more than Earth tons? You can't disprove it without real world physics. Confirmed: Vegeta stronger than TOAA because I say so and under your parameters there's no way you can prove me wrong.
Nothing was proved, at all. You're saying the fact that it doesn't line up with your conjecture of an imagined weakness is proof that physics don't work correctly in DBZ? Or maybe, it's you that's wrong, and not physics. And yes, I can prove that people with higher power levels are stronger/faster/more durable. Healing factor, no, I can in fact prove the opposite of that. Healing factor does not scale with power level. And energy projection and power level are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.
Let me give an example of you being wrong.
My logic: Nappa flew through solid steel. Breaking steel makes it jagged and sharp. Since the steel did not cut Nappa as he flew through it, DBZ characters do not have a magical never explained weakness to sharp objects.
Your logic: Nappa flew through solid steel. Breaking steel makes it jagged and sharp. Since the steel did not cut Nappa as he flew through it, jagged steel must not be sharp in DBZ.
Do you see how you're twisting the facts to line up with your own opinion?
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: 1.Frieza was cutted. Tronk strength isn't enough, sword would have to be more durable than Frieza is. Energy disk cutted trough him and Yajirobe's sword did the same to Vegeta. 2.You can prove that? Doubtful. Goku in fight in heaven in final of heaven's tournament had more energy than his opponent and he had greater energy projection, but he didn't have greater speed, yet he had more energy than his opponent. 3.It is not magical weakness. Steel wasn't sharp when Nappa touched it, it was sharp when it was broken. If You will try to break a plank by Your fist, it won't make You bleed. But if You will try the same to broken plank with sharp end, it will make You bleed.
The bolded stuff is purely opinion that you have no facts to back up.
Nappa flew through the jet. The reason punching a plank of wood doesn't cut your hand is because you're not shoving through it, you're breaking it. Your fist makes contact with a flat surface once. The jet was too thick for that to be the case with Nappa.
I have a question for you. If Nappa picked up one of the jagged pieces of scrap from that jet and punched it on the edge moving his fist all the way through it do you really think that would cut his fist in half?
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@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@zackattack529 said:
Every DBZ character needs to charge up there attacks, and if frieza is base form means he'd have a long way to go to get to 100% final form, which will be useless since frieza won't even get close to him.
This is by no means true. Base Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta with a flick of his finger. I think you're exaggerating things which is typical. I can barely remember any character that needed to charge an attack at all. And do you know how fast they are by Frieza saga? Frieza would run circles around Space Godzilla. And if you said Space Godzilla needed prep to build crystals to bombard him then why would he do it in a random encounter?
Umm because Spacegodzilla has huge crystal conductors on his shoulders?? duh.
and Are you serious??
Every character needs to charge up an attack in DBZ!?!, unless they are punching or kicking .
Look at friezas strongest move, Notice how he CHARGES IT UP? and does nothing..well yaa Space godzilla will already have used his almighty corona beam. and also while space godzilla is charging up for his attack his should crystals can just suck up the energy from frieza.
So what if he has crystals on his shoulders. You just said he needed prep to bombard him with them. Don't contradict yourself now.
And are you serious? Did Nappa charge his continent wiping move? No. Did Piccolo charge his moon buster? Nope. Did Broly charge his Omega Buster? Nah.
Charging is only necessary when they are matching someones blast. Other then that they hardly charged their blasts for more than a few seconds.
This is Frieza's best move, the death ball couldn't even take Namek out in one shot. But Supernova destroyed Vegeta rather quickly.
Come at me bro.
Umm you might wanna read it over because i said with prep he can build more crystals, i never said he needed prep to uses his shoulder crystals..im starting to think you know nothing of Space godzilla and your just a DBZ fan boy...hmm
Anyways ok fine only for BROLY ill agree because he is a beast and can possibly go One on One with the Great One! (Godzilla) So yaa but every other DBZ character is nothing compared to Godzilla and NEEDS to charge
And now you say Charging is necessary for matching someones blast? you sure about that? how many DBZ episodes have you even seen?
And wow...his strongest move needs to CHARGE lol I admit that is a very powerful move Its basically a sun crashing into the earth...but he won't be able to use it because it needs to charge!
Stop calling him a fanboy. He is one of the rare species on the internet who like DBZ and still make logical points. Don't discourage him. Most of the DB fans are too embarassed to speak about DBZ thanks to the DBZ. We need more guys like him..
He actually has good points. Vegeta, while destroying the planet in their road, used negligible power up compared to when he matched with Goku in one of the best anime scenes made..
@czarny_samael666: Yet, the same sword, when used by king cold, didn't do anything to Trunks, or later, Goku. Trunks also said that sword is not special, swordsman is, or something like that.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: 1.How is that an opinion? So in Your opinion if Trunk would use some stick, Frieza also would cutted in half? 2.Boh of them agreed with each other that Pikkon is faster and Goku has stronge energy projection. 3.Yes, I belive so.
The bolded never happened. You made that up.
I do not believe Trunks could cut Frieza in half with a blunt object. I do believe he could rend him to death with it though. Much like how Goku surrounded his finger with energy to block Trunks' sword, Trunks can surround his sword with energy. It's actually one of the basics of how energy works in DBZ. It can be mentally shaped and projected. If you want examples of this, listen to Gohan's explanation of flying when he's training Videl. Or listen to Vegeta's explanation of when Goku elbowed Recoome. Why do you think a DBZ character's clothes remain intact when they're hit by energy blasts that don't hurt them, but said clothes take significant damage from attacks that do hurt the character? Or to give a more simplified explanation, you can basically say that anything a DBZ character touches is behind an energy shield with strength equal to their power level.
How is punching a jagged piece of steel on its edge any different than flying through the steel with your fist. He flew through the bloody wing, which is already loosely in the shape of an edge. When that steel gets rent, it will instantly become sharp and jagged. Nappa didn't just punch it and withdraw his fists, he went right through the jagged part. Take like 3 seconds to think about the shape of it. I would draw you a darn picture if you were here in real life. Your statement is contradicted by the show itself. I am utterly flabbergasted that you can look at a fact, say it's wrong, and then declare it right if it were to happen under different circumstances. You are suffocating my brain sir.
So, You belive that any stick would do the same?@czarny_samael666: Yet, the same sword, when used by king cold, didn't do anything to Trunks, or later, Goku. Trunks also said that sword is not special, swordsman is, or something like that.
@PrinceAragorn1: Thanks man.
@zackattack529 said:
Umm you might wanna read it over because i said with prep he can build more crystals, i never said he needed prep to uses his shoulder crystals..im starting to think you know nothing of Space godzilla and your just a DBZ fan boy...hmm
You are one of those type people that ruins the peace in the forums. It was getting good until you started pointing fingers and calling someone a fanboy just because they want to defend the opposing side. That is the whole point of a debate in the first place. Terrible debating skills on your part. You're a Godzilla fanboy how about that.
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@PrinceAragorn1: Thanks man.
welcome :)
@czarny_samael666 said:
@PrinceAragorn1 said:So, You belive that any stick would do the same?@czarny_samael666: Yet, the same sword, when used by king cold, didn't do anything to Trunks, or later, Goku. Trunks also said that sword is not special, swordsman is, or something like that.
Well, Yes.considering in anime (More specifically Naruto) sticks and pencils have already gone through stone and steel. It's just hard to imagine that. If you say a wooden sword it will be better..But anyway, what has a stick to do with it? Trunks already said that the sword, however special, didn't really matter. And we saw that it did nothing to Goku later, as he was about strong as trunks. He stopped it with finger..
1.I've didn't made that up. Pikkon said so when he was floating above Goku (IIRC just after Goku changed into SSJ).@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: 1.How is that an opinion? So in Your opinion if Trunk would use some stick, Frieza also would cutted in half? 2.Boh of them agreed with each other that Pikkon is faster and Goku has stronge energy projection. 3.Yes, I belive so.The bolded never happened. You made that up.
I do not believe Trunks could cut Frieza in half with a blunt object. I do believe he could rend him to death with it though. Much like how Goku surrounded his finger with energy to block Trunks' sword, Trunks can surround his sword with energy. It's actually one of the basics of how energy works in DBZ. It can be mentally shaped and projected. If you want examples of this, listen to Gohan's explanation of flying when he's training Videl. Or listen to Vegeta's explanation of when Goku elbowed Recoome. Why do you think a DBZ character's clothes remain intact when they're hit by energy blasts that don't hurt them, but said clothes take significant damage from attacks that do hurt the character? Or to give a more simplified explanation, you can basically say that anything a DBZ character touches is behind an energy shield with strength equal to their power level.
How is punching a jagged piece of steel on its edge any different than flying through the steel with your fist. He flew through the bloody wing, which is already loosely in the shape of an edge. When that steel gets rent, it will instantly become sharp and jagged. Nappa didn't just punch it and withdraw his fists, he went right through the jagged part. Take like 3 seconds to think about the shape of it. I would draw you a darn picture if you were here in real life. Your statement is contradicted by the show itself. I am utterly flabbergasted that you can look at a fact, say it's wrong, and then declare it right if it were to happen under different circumstances. You are suffocating my brain sir.
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: 1.How is that an opinion? So in Your opinion if Trunk would use some stick, Frieza also would cutted in half? 2.Boh of them agreed with each other that Pikkon is faster and Goku has stronge energy projection. 3.Yes, I belive so.
@PrinceAragorn1 said:
@czarny_samael666: Yet, the same sword, when used by king cold, didn't do anything to Trunks, or later, Goku. Trunks also said that sword is not special, swordsman is, or something like that.
Trunks sword is not a regular sword I believe that’s the sword use by Tapion (watch Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon,) and frieza destroy SG how on earth his going to touch him?? and all Godzillas are city buster not PLANET buster
@RIKR2 said:
@czarny_samael666 said:
@Laurcus: 1.How is that an opinion? So in Your opinion if Trunk would use some stick, Frieza also would cutted in half? 2.Boh of them agreed with each other that Pikkon is faster and Goku has stronge energy projection. 3.Yes, I belive so.@PrinceAragorn1 said:
@czarny_samael666: Yet, the same sword, when used by king cold, didn't do anything to Trunks, or later, Goku. Trunks also said that sword is not special, swordsman is, or something like that.
Trunks sword is not a regular sword I believe that’s the sword use by Tapion (watch Dragon Ball Z: Wrath of the Dragon,) and frieza destroy SG how on earth his going to touch him?? and all Godzillas are city buster not PLANET buster
Though the sword is special, it was than's to trunks it cut freiza. That was my point
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