#1 Posted by LostMind (155 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza Family: Chilled (Base), Cold (Base), Frieza (100% Final Form), and Cooler (Final Form)

Saiyans: Bardock, Raditz, King Vegeta, Vegeta (Saiyan Saga), Nappa, Turles, Tarble, Tora, Fasha, Borgos, and Shugesh (All Saiyans in Oozaru/Great Ape Form)

Location: Vacant Planet

Rules: All in Character and No BFR

I wondered just how effective could Friezas family be at taking down the Saiyans if the Saiyans had transformed into their Oozaru forms. Tried to make the fight more balanced by giving the saiyans a numbers advantage. And remember, While in their Oozaru forms the saiyans power is increased 10x.

Which side would win? And who would die on the winnig side?

#2 Posted by SheenLantern (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza and Cooler clean house

#3 Posted by brainstorm01 (1164 posts) - - Show Bio

friza solos until you include any super saiyan then ss solos

#4 Posted by brainstorm01 (1164 posts) - - Show Bio

a saiyan can have powerlevel 180000 highest till this time in saga

While friza was over 1000000

#5 Posted by Juiceboks (7851 posts) - - Show Bio

Not one of the Saiyans come anywhere close to Cooler's power level.

#6 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16024 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with frieza family..

#7 Edited by Racob7 (5369 posts) - - Show Bio

Bad guys loose to badder guys.

#8 Posted by LostMind (155 posts) - - Show Bio

a saiyan can have powerlevel 180000 highest till this time in saga

While friza was over 1000000

OK, you do realize power levels are BS even Akira Toriyama has stated so. He said the only reason he even introduced power levels was to show how full of it, they were. Also, what about fatigue and you do realize that base means standard form right? So, basically chilled power would be around Friezas first form and cold power would be around Friezas second form.

#9 Posted by SheenLantern (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza > Goku (KaioKen x20) > Oozaru Vegeta > The rest of Team Saiyan

Frieza Family stomps with basically no effort.

#10 Posted by those_eyes (5013 posts) - - Show Bio

saiyans get murked!

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#11 Posted by TheSpiritStalker (2013 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza can solo with a supernova

#12 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

The best bet that the team has here is Bardock and only if he can turn into a super saiyan. Regardless, his power shouldn't even remotely come close to Goku's as a super saiyan so I stand by my decision that either Frieza or Cooler could solo with ease.

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#13 Edited by dondave (34434 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16024 posts) - - Show Bio

@lostmind said:
@brainstorm01 said:

a saiyan can have powerlevel 180000 highest till this time in saga

While friza was over 1000000

OK, you do realize power levels are BS even Akira Toriyama has stated so. He said the only reason he even introduced power levels was to show how full of it, they were. Also, what about fatigue and you do realize that base means standard form right? So, basically chilled power would be around Friezas first form and cold power would be around Friezas second form.

power levels are rather consistent for scaling, actually. Most of them are easily mirror what we saw on the show. But they became useless after goku going ssj..

#15 Posted by SheenLantern (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

The best bet that the team has here is Bardock and only if he can turn into a super saiyan.

His power level would actually be below First Form Frieza's.

#16 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: Most likely considering Chilled was a joke compared to Frieza and his descendants.

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#17 Posted by Pope052 (2982 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (23222 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget said:

@sheenlantern: Most likely considering Chilled was a joke compared to Frieza and his descendants.

Off-topic but the whole Bardock Episode was a horrible joke that made no sense whatsoever and I feel I wasted my precious time just reading that abysmal story.

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#19 Posted by Kam (64 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza wins. Even Comic fans need to kneel in front of Lord Frieza.

#20 Posted by Freefa11 (2337 posts) - - Show Bio

@lostmind said:
@brainstorm01 said:

a saiyan can have powerlevel 180000 highest till this time in saga

While friza was over 1000000

OK, you do realize power levels are BS even Akira Toriyama has stated so. He said the only reason he even introduced power levels was to show how full of it, they were. Also, what about fatigue and you do realize that base means standard form right? So, basically chilled power would be around Friezas first form and cold power would be around Friezas second form.

Do you have a source for these supposed statements? Power Levels are pretty consistent up through the end of the Freeza Saga, when Toriyama just stopped using them. If he really intended to show "how full of it they were," I would have expected him to do something like have a guy with a PL of 10 take out the guy with a PL of 10,000, but that never happens, he always had the guy with the higher PL win.

Fatigue is unlikely to be an issue. Remember, Freeza took out the whole saiyan race, including Bartock, in a few seconds. In this instance, we've only got 11 guys going against Freeza and his family. There are too few of them, and much too weak, to make a war of attrition work. Saiyan Saga Vegeta is probably the strongest of them, and even in Oozaru, he would still be no match for even 1st form Freeza. The Saiyans are just completely outmatched here.

#21 Posted by StrictlyAnime (789 posts) - - Show Bio

First form Frieza solos..

#22 Posted by ecgelsv (21 posts) - - Show Bio

How come this isn't getting locked?

#23 Posted by Cooldes (3925 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecgelsv: only DBZ vs other universe threads are banned.

#24 Edited by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@ecgelsv: Only DBZ vs other universes is banned. Battles within the DBZ universe and Challenge a Viner are basically the only exceptions.

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#25 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (5885 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza and Cooler clean house

Either one can solo.

#26 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (5885 posts) - - Show Bio

@deranged_midget said:

The best bet that the team has here is Bardock and only if he can turn into a super saiyan.

His power level would actually be below First Form Frieza's.

Power levels are beyond useless.

#27 Edited by Ifoughtgalactus (255 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza throws a destructo disk and guides it through each tail there. Any of the Frieza family then solos.

Or Frieza could just planet bust them.

#28 Posted by xlab3000 (3130 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza Family stomps

#29 Posted by Ifoughtgalactus (255 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@deranged_midget said:

The best bet that the team has here is Bardock and only if he can turn into a super saiyan.

His power level would actually be below First Form Frieza's.

Power levels are beyond useless.

And Bardock's base power level is 10,000, if we're going to use that. Super saiyan would put him at 500,000. Which is right at first form frieza. Or vastly weaker than everyone there except for Chilled.

#30 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (5885 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultrastarkiller said:

@sheenlantern said:

@deranged_midget said:

The best bet that the team has here is Bardock and only if he can turn into a super saiyan.

His power level would actually be below First Form Frieza's.

Power levels are beyond useless.

And Bardock's base power level is 10,000, if we're going to use that. Super saiyan would put him at 500,000. Which is right at first form frieza. Or vastly weaker than everyone there except for Chilled.

Still beyond useless.

#31 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7742 posts) - - Show Bio

frieza family wins

#32 Posted by reikai (4096 posts) - - Show Bio

Bardock's base was 10k when he went to confront Freeza. He survived and ended in the past, and received a Zenkai upgrade. How much is never stated, but best estimate is around Dodoria, so like 20k PL now. So at best as a SSJ he'd have about 1mil.

King Cold can solo. He was at least as strong as Freeza. 100% Freeza is 120mil before cybernetic enhancements. Cooler's 100% would be just shy of Freeza's and his Ultimate Form is 470mil.

Also, for people questioning "Episode of Bardock", it has to do with the story behind Dragon Ball Online as it's an Official continuity to the manga. Within DBO there is a Time-Traveling demon trying to conquer the universe. His interference in time has caused people from the past/future to shift to different points in time (where some of the heroes come from and end up in the games starter town).

What happens is when Bardock is about to be killed, Mirai (Future) Trunks rescues him and sends him into the past to take up the role and begin the legend of the Super Saiyan (Bardock doesn't know someone saved him). Trunks is part of the Time Patrol in DBO and is trying to help fix things and all the inconsistencies in Time brought about by Miira (the demon).

#33 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@deranged_midget said:

The best bet that the team has here is Bardock and only if he can turn into a super saiyan.

His power level would actually be below First Form Frieza's.

Power levels are beyond useless.

To a degree yes. In this case, not at all since power levels were all the rage until after the Frieza saga. It's an easy measuring bar considering we know Bardock's power level before his death and we can thus compare it to Goku during his time against Frieza. Clearly, his only chance would be to turn into a super saiyan but even then, he wouldn't stand a chance considering Goku was leagues above him, even in base form.

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#34 Posted by SheenLantern (6224 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern said:

@deranged_midget said:

The best bet that the team has here is Bardock and only if he can turn into a super saiyan.

His power level would actually be below First Form Frieza's.

Power levels are beyond useless.

Not sure how it's useless, it essentially decides the outcome of the fight without need for debate. Sounds very useful to me.

#35 Posted by LostMind (155 posts) - - Show Bio

@freefa11 said:

@lostmind said:
@brainstorm01 said:

a saiyan can have powerlevel 180000 highest till this time in saga

While friza was over 1000000

OK, you do realize power levels are BS even Akira Toriyama has stated so. He said the only reason he even introduced power levels was to show how full of it, they were. Also, what about fatigue and you do realize that base means standard form right? So, basically chilled power would be around Friezas first form and cold power would be around Friezas second form.

Do you have a source for these supposed statements? Power Levels are pretty consistent up through the end of the Freeza Saga, when Toriyama just stopped using them. If he really intended to show "how full of it they were," I would have expected him to do something like have a guy with a PL of 10 take out the guy with a PL of 10,000, but that never happens, he always had the guy with the higher PL win.

Fatigue is unlikely to be an issue. Remember, Freeza took out the whole saiyan race, including Bartock, in a few seconds. In this instance, we've only got 11 guys going against Freeza and his family. There are too few of them, and much too weak, to make a war of attrition work. Saiyan Saga Vegeta is probably the strongest of them, and even in Oozaru, he would still be no match for even 1st form Freeza. The Saiyans are just completely outmatched here.

I cant remember my source its been a very long time. The thing you need to remember is that you cant just rely on power lvl but the percentage of the difference in power lvl and the factors of speed, strength, technique, and numbers can also come into factor when deciding the outcome of a fight. So, just straight up going with as side because someones power lvl is ridiculous, if someone has a power lvl of 5000 vs someone of 4000 power lvl it doesnt mean the person with 4000 will lose. Also everyone is in character, and here's a little FYI Cooler and Frieza don't like each other. Cooler labels Frieza as arrogant, foolish, a spoiled brat and a pest, and even goes as far as to admit that if Goku had not killed Frieza, he himself would have done so.

#36 Edited by hulk_post_absolute_power (291 posts) - - Show Bio

Bardock in golden ape form is at 5million or 10million depending on how much credit you wanna give his ss form dbo is not concidered cannon

#37 Edited by kyrees (4511 posts) - - Show Bio

@lostmind: you do realize that the power levels within the freeza saga are true indications of the character's current capability. it's just that majority of the freeza's henchmen tend to rely much on their scouters that they underestimate fighters whom they see to have weaker power levels but get shocked when said fighters go full power or use their peak capabilities sparingly that they don't notice that said fighters have become stronger than them. in this case, the power level is so massive that none of these saiyans would be enough to stop the cold family. speed and strength are non factors but certain techs can be dangerous but none of those techs appear in this group.

as for your sibling "hatred" info, you missed the part where both brothers will work together if they both have the same goals since you pulled up the part that cooler "doesn't like" freeza (you pulled that in cooler's movie, i pulled mine in hatchiyack's movie where both brothers appeared)

#38 Edited by kyrees (4511 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulk_post_absolute_power: bardock never had a golden ape form and can never reach the power levels goku reached when he became super saiyan because he really wasn't that strong (he's comparable to early namek vegeta)

#39 Posted by randomcharachter (323 posts) - - Show Bio

Chilled: not sure if he can solo

Kold: murder stomp

Cooler:stomp

Frieza: Blows the planet again