Franklin Richards, Jean Grey vs Scarlet Witch, Hercules

Rules & Regulations:

• Franklin Richards: Adult.
• Jean Grey: White Phoenix of the Crown.
• Scarlet Witch: House of M.
• Hercules: Chaos War.
• Takes place in a neutral universe.
• Victory by: Death.
• No morals. No preparation. No knowledge.
• Perfect teamwork.
• Random encounter.
• Everyone at full power.

Team 2.

Team 1, adult Franklin Richards is an absolute powerhouse

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Maybe Team 2 because of CW Hercules

Franklin as an adult is unstoppable he's already the strongest mutant as a child and as an adult he knows how to use it, plus jean grey as white phoenix is amazing

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Tough call. Leaning towards team 2 though. Their high end feats seem a bit more impressive than team one's.

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Wanda and franklin are gonna be throwing around some pretty high end reality warping and IIRC doesn't jean have a megaversal feat? If so team 1.

Franklin solos

Team 2 stomps. Jean is a non-factor

Team 2

Chaos War Hercules solos

Team 2.

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Team 1 because adult .franklin has the greater amount of experience with the power sets involved tho a strong case can be made for cw herc

Mixed responses...

Team 2.

Team 1

Adult Franklin is above Chaos War Hercules imo. (I haven't read that arc in forever, so I may be wrong) But the real tipping point is the Phoenix with Jean as a conduit can wipe out solar systems. Scarlet Witch has never shown anything on that level, she's definitely very capable but she isn't on the same level as a Cosmic Entity. Even if Herc is above Franklin, the matchup between Phoenix and Wanda would be over so quickly that the real fight would be Franklin + Phoenix vs. Hercules, and I think that is definitely too much firepower.

Even Dragon Ball characters can wipe out solar systems, I don't see how mentioning that is supposed to change the tides.

HoM Scarlet Witch was multiversal.

Scarlet Witch is definitely not multiversal. Even in HoM she didn't do anything to put herself on par with the Phoenix. She couldn't even maintain the alternate reality she created.

The reason I bring up the Poenix destroying solar systems is because Wanda has never displayed destructive power on that level.

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House of M Scarlet Witch is multiversal, her reality warping powers indirectly destroyed Captain Britain's dimension or something along those lines. Whatever it was she wasn't even trying to do it and effected another reality.

That said the only place that wasn't effected was the White Hot Room which is where WPOTC lives. Also White Phoenix of the Crown is hard to rank on the power scale since she has one feat in 2,appearances and that's destroying timelines casually.

Frankin makes all these bitches his heralds. Mic drop....

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Chaos War Hercules restored the damn MULTIVERSE, he solos this battle.

Replace Franklin with MoD or MJJ he is hopeless here.

WPOTC held 616 in her hand and warped it in her weakest version Phoenix defeated Galactus who is above Franklin.

Wanda is easily the next powerful she warped the multiverse, resurrected and amped MJJ , defeated SS Strange and killed Merlyn an omniversal guardian.

Herc rebuilt the multiverse so any can stomp Franklin then together beat Jean.

Replace Franklin with MoD or MJJ he is hopeless here.

WPOTC held 616 in her hand and warped it in her weakest version Phoenix defeated Galactus who is above Franklin.

Wanda is easily the next powerful she warped the multiverse, resurrected and amped MJJ , defeated SS Strange and killed Merlyn an omniversal guardian.

Herc rebuilt the multiverse so any can stomp Franklin then together beat Jean.

Team 2

Hercules can solo and SW could probably as well.

Adult Franklin resurrected Galactus and made him his herald, so Galactus is not above Franklin.

@transcendence: Could you tell me which comic that scan is from?

WPOTC held a badly wounded orphan universe. Not sure where you’re getting the 616 universe idea from.

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Hercules solos.

That franklin used the stored up power of younger Franklin to do that(resurrect and make Galactus into his pet) but I think its a fair feat. That's from Hickman's run.

Franklin and Galactus are two of the few entities believed to be at the end of all things. MJJ is a solid pick but Franklin is the cream de le cream of reality warpers. He has been practicing since childhood. He has a "practice universe". Its one of his earliest feats on his way to adulthood...

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Franklin Solos. He is an absolute, multiverse powerhouse.

So is CW Hercules, and arguably HoM Scarlet Witch.

I see cw herc as the only threat to franklin here. And even then I have doubts that herc has the imagination to truly fight it out at the levels Franklin does. He has trained himself his whole life. He operates in time itself like few others. Everyone here is top notch, franklin is the gold standard of marvel reality manipulators.

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Jean gets one shotted by either of team 2 or even by Franklin for be useless

@mysticmedivh: Who in DB destroy solar systems?

Hercules (solos) & Scarlet Witch wins.

Team 1. Franklin would solo