Frank Castle vs. The Death Eaters.

#1 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

Frank Castle will have one month of prep time, in which he has access to a library with information about magic in the Potter 'verse.

He can also use that time to acquire any weapons he would realistically be able to get. No allies, no magical items, or items with special properties.

The Death Eaters have no idea he even exists, because he is a muggle.

How many can he kill?

#2 Posted by Typhion (621 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

Exactly zero. I believe he at least needs a wand to do most magic. Without a magical wand (weapon) he can't kill them. He dies horribly.

#3 Posted by DangerousLoki (678 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

I'll be honest and admit that I don't read Harry Potter (I prefer the Young Wizards Series by Diane Duane) but I don't believe the Death Earter's are immune to physical harm. So it depends on if they can be hurt, but since we've seen wizards get hurt in other ways, at least from what I remember of the movies, then nothing leads me to believe you need magic to kill them. That said, Frank Castle can snipe them all. Set a bomb. Landmines. And a whole bunch of other things. If he tried a direct confrontation, then he'd probably fail. But if he was smart, kept at a distance and used traps, I could see this going in his favor.

#4 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Typhion said:

Exactly zero. I believe he at least needs a wand to do most magic. Without a magical wand (weapon) he can't kill them. He dies horribly.

Peter Pettigrew is strangled to death, and Regulus Black was drowned. Death Eaters have no special invulnerability.

#5 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@DangerousLoki: Yeah, I can see him getting a bunch at first simply because they have no idea how to deal with normal physical threats. Honestly I think some of them would die against him even if he was unarmed, just because he's quick and sneaky. Hard to cast magic when you are being strangled.

But eventually they will get wise to him, and go on the offense. I'm not sure if this site has any Potter experts, but I'm sure they could come up with creative ways to use their spells.

#6 Posted by DangerousLoki (678 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: From what I've seen, while their magic is fast and easy, one of the reasons I don't like the books personally, they still need to actually be near what they want to effect. Otherwise, Voldemort should have been able to kill Potter at anytime, or Dumbledore, or any of them. But in every instance he needed to be there to do anything with his magic. His underlings too. Every time magic was used, they needed to direct it with their wand, to the best I can remember. If that's the case, as long as Frank stays out of their range, he should be able to put the majority of them down. However, Voldemort would be the challenge if he was included.

#7 Posted by KainScion (2975 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

a lot actually. bullets travel faster then spells

#8 Posted by CitizenBane (19880 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Typhion said:

Exactly zero. I believe he at least needs a wand to do most magic. Without a magical wand (weapon) he can't kill them. He dies horribly.

Not all magic needs a wand, even before he turned 11 Harry had some minor telekinetic feats. He blew up his aunt when he was 13 without a wand. That said, Castle has no magical affinity, so it's not an option available to him.

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#9 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

At best, probably thousands, he could prepare like mini-gun or multiple grenade launcher or both. Not to mention one month of prep, he could prepares loads of landmines and traps.

#10 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

Um, 1 death eater vs Frank castle. I would say a stomp for the death eater.

#11 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@kingkronos: Why would you say that?

#12 Edited by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

Before he died, he probably committed wizacide.

With one month of prep, he can set up a fortress made from wood, any spec ops knows how to do this. They can easily built wooden fort in a day, guess what they could do in a month? Pile up ammo, automatic machine gun, etc.

#13 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: Seeing that Frank is a military operative or whatever mortal he is. A death eater stomps him, hard........ Cos, no mortal even knew about the wizards' existence. And the wizards knew instantely when they are discovered, so the question should be whether Frank can discover their existence or not. And his guns won't do much good when the death eaters can block them with shields, apparate behind him and avada kadavra him. Or fly away and shoot him from the sky.

And we are talking here about thousands death eaters........yes this is a battle.

#14 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@kingkronos: He knows about the wizards because that's the terms of the battle. And he has time to study them, and how their magic works.

And while some can likely deal with bullets, its not like every Death Eater can. I doubt Frank would just walk up to them at high noon or anything. We are probably talking a few sniper rounds, and a couple car bombs and he's gone before they understand what happened the first few times.

At heart Frank is an assassin. He picks a target, and takes it out in the most effective way. The question is how many times can he do this, before they get him? What methods can they use to learn who he is, locate him, travel there safely, and kill him?

#15 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: I know for a fact from this battle, NO one has read the books. There is no way he is touching a death eater. Do you know why? This is because every location in which a wizard lives is enchanted. And that enchantment prevents any mortal from coming there. Why hasn't any mortal knowledge of hogwarts or Hogsmead (an entire town). It's because it is enchanted for mortals not to come close. Do you understand?

#16 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty: Can Frank sees the wizard? Can you specify it on OP?

#17 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@kingkronos: You know for a fact no one has read the books? Kinda hard to know that, and you are wrong anyway because I have read all of the books.

And while some locations are enchanted to protect them from muggles not all locations are. While its possible to simply stay in those places and never leave, I highly doubt He-who-shall-not-be-named would look kindly upon any Death Eater who decided to hide on enchanted ground from one muggle.

#18 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@Daddy_Cool_Dude: If they are not actively under a spell which hides them from his vision then yes, he can see them.

#19 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

1 month is enough for him to setup machine gun turret, he may fortify the area to protect himself.

He may went Sergeant!!!
Or.... He may went Rambo!
#20 Posted by cliffrice (909 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

Harrys mortal family knew about wizard im sure frank can do some recon in a month. ANd the main idea behind the battle is that frank is capable of finding death eaters and shooting death eaters. Still they would eventually catch on and i cant see frank beating an army of wizards still he could put a good dent in them.

#21 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4745 posts) - 10 months, 29 days ago - Show Bio

@cliffrice said:

Harrys mortal family knew about wizard im sure frank can do some recon in a month. ANd the main idea behind the battle is that frank is capable of finding death eaters and shooting death eaters. Still they would eventually catch on and i cant see frank beating an army of wizards still he could put a good dent in them.

Lol, that is awesome!

#22 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 10 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@kingkronos: Why would you say that?

#23 Posted by kingkronos (2501 posts) - 10 months, 28 days ago - Show Bio

@Lady_Liberty said:

@kingkronos: You know for a fact no one has read the books? Kinda hard to know that, and you are wrong anyway because I have read all of the books.

And while some locations are enchanted to protect them from muggles not all locations are. While its possible to simply stay in those places and never leave, I highly doubt He-who-shall-not-be-named would look kindly upon any Death Eater who decided to hide on enchanted ground from one muggle.

Well, yeah there are a lot of people who tell me they've read them. And it really doesn't matter whether this Frank knows about their existence or not. He gets stomps by one death eater, that's it. I told you, they would easily sense him. And when one of the death eaters senses him, he could mindfuck him easily. They don't even need to go against him with fire power. They can use the imperius curse, and make him shoot himself. And one killing curse from the sky would kill Frank. So he's not getting past a death eater, that's my answer.

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