#1 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10068 posts) - - Show Bio

Shazamfan666:

  • Fire (DC, fire)
  • Bivalvan (Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, water)
  • Raimundo Pedrosa w/Sword of the Storm and Wudai Weapon (Xiaolin Showdown, wind)
  • Cole w/scythe (LEGO Ninjago, earth)
  • Jose Porla (Fairy Tail, darkness)

vs

Darkraiden:

  • Storm
  • Blooodstorm
  • Static
  • The Boss from SR4: (all powers max, no recharge times ala DLC, unlimited ammo, 'Merica Gun, Abduction Gun, Full power Rocket Launcher, dual wield SMG with acid bullets, dual wield handguns with explosive bullets, energy sword, Sniper Rifle)
  • Cloak

Location:

Lava Pond

Conditions for victory: Death

You know the rules, you know how it goes. Debate!

#2 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10068 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Jose should be able to immobilize most of your team, rendering them useless and vulnerable to Fire's attacks. I don't think it would work on Cloak, but it would then become 5 on 1.

#4 Posted by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

So here's how it goes

Unfortunately, can't spoiler videos so there might be a lot for The Boss from Saints Row 4 but yeah.

Storm and Bloodstorm:

Wind:

This shows her taking out the X-men, making giant Tornados, hurting even Phoenix, having Wind as a solid shield, activating powers on thought, and even controlling air in the lungs.

Water:

Shows her flash freezing and flash flooding entire areas, spawning water and ice out of nowhere. She also shows the ability to control pressure in the ears and claims that she can freeze lungs.

Other:

Shows speed of her lightning, can block Cyclops's beam, can make pinpoint surgical strikes, her flashfreezing baroness in an instant, putting out flames, and her powers on and off in a thought, again, the speed of activation of her powers.

Static:

Shows him magnetizing people, immobilizing them, putting out fires, and more with his electrical abilities. And an attack he did almost instantaneously, brushing off 90% of the body's electrons, and then bringing them back, which KO'd the guy, among other things.

Shows him canceling intangibility, disrupting the EM Impulses in human brains, blocking gunfire, and immoblizing people and sticking them to walls.

Cloak's will be up later

The Boss of the Saints:

2:00-2:30, no fall damage, energy sword

2:55-3:00, speed, tornado, field

4:30-4:46, speed, jump and glide

9:47-10:00, freeze buff

10:26-10:50 fire buff

11:15-11:26 shrink stomp

12:00-12:07 rock stomp

12:15-12:26 gravity stomp

12:55-13:20 13:30-13:45 life drain tk,

4:35-4:40, running, jumping while TK'ing

1:30-1:46 shows a sample of the 'Merica Gun, a gun with miniguns, automatic rifles, and either a flamethrower or rocket launcher going at any time.

http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/Telekinesis

http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/Blast

Just examples of the upgrades able to get, as in Recharge 4, where it takes no energy or cooldown time to use said powers

This video is mostly descriptions of upgrades you can buy

4:25-4:28, buff upgrades description

The main thing is in the fire buff, team player says that all allies are immune to fire while it's active.

8:35-10:00

Strategy:

So, after showing all that,

1. Storm sucks the wind from your lungs

2. Bloodstorm creates a localized F5 Tornado on top of you simultaneously

3. The Boss activates his Fire buff, setting you on fire, and shoots fire balls at you all day, freeze blasts for the fire guy on your team when it inevitably doesn't work

4. Static hits your guys with some lightning, but first creates an EM shield around the team in case of sneak attack

5. Storm strikes team with lightning while in tornado

6. Bloodstorm flash freezes them if they're still alive.

#5 Edited by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

So here's how it goes

Unfortunately, can't spoiler videos so there might be a lot for The Boss from Saints Row 4 but yeah.

Storm and Bloodstorm:

Wind:

This shows her taking out the X-men, making giant Tornados, hurting even Phoenix, having Wind as a solid shield, activating powers on thought, and even controlling air in the lungs.

Water:

Shows her flash freezing and flash flooding entire areas, spawning water and ice out of nowhere. She also shows the ability to control pressure in the ears and claims that she can freeze lungs.

Other:

Shows speed of her lightning, can block Cyclops's beam, can make pinpoint surgical strikes, her flashfreezing baroness in an instant, putting out flames, and her powers on and off in a thought, again, the speed of activation of her powers.

Static:

Shows him magnetizing people, immobilizing them, putting out fires, and more with his electrical abilities. And an attack he did almost instantaneously, brushing off 90% of the body's electrons, and then bringing them back, which KO'd the guy, among other things.

Shows him canceling intangibility, disrupting the EM Impulses in human brains, blocking gunfire, and immoblizing people and sticking them to walls.

Cloak's will be up later

The Boss of the Saints:

2:00-2:30, no fall damage, energy sword

2:55-3:00, speed, tornado, field

4:30-4:46, speed, jump and glide

9:47-10:00, freeze buff

10:26-10:50 fire buff

11:15-11:26 shrink stomp

12:00-12:07 rock stomp

12:15-12:26 gravity stomp

12:55-13:20 13:30-13:45 life drain tk,

4:35-4:40, running, jumping while TK'ing

1:30-1:46 shows a sample of the 'Merica Gun, a gun with miniguns, automatic rifles, and either a flamethrower or rocket launcher going at any time.

http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/Telekinesis

http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/Blast

Just examples of the upgrades able to get, as in Recharge 4, where it takes no energy or cooldown time to use said powers

This video is mostly descriptions of upgrades you can buy

4:25-4:28, buff upgrades description

The main thing is in the fire buff, team player says that all allies are immune to fire while it's active.

8:35-10:00

Strategy:

So, after showing all that,

1. Storm sucks the wind from your lungs

2. Bloodstorm creates a localized F5 Tornado on top of you simultaneously

3. The Boss activates his Fire buff, setting you on fire, and shoots fire balls at you all day, freeze blasts for the fire guy on your team when it inevitably doesn't work

4. Static hits your guys with some lightning, but first creates an EM shield around the team in case of sneak attack

5. Storm strikes team with lightning while in tornado

6. Bloodstorm flash freezes them if they're still alive.

Jose has very quick reflexes. He can go short distances in short amounts of time, enabling him to evade Bloodstorm's tornado. Also, Raimundo once escaped a whirlpool by using a move called Typhoon Boom (go to 18:10).

Raimundo now uses Shoku Star-Wind, which is basically a flight-enabling more powerful version of Typhoon Boom. He's using it at 16:42 of the next video.

  • Raimundo will be able to escape the tornado, and as he carried an old lady, he'll also be able to carry Cole with him.
  • After this happens, Jose will quickly spawn his shades, which he can create in large masses. The image shows several shades that were able to overpower a group of people.
  • The shades will be able to form pillars to paralyze your team. You say Storm and Bloodstorm activate their powers by thought, but Jose's magic makes people feel cold and sick, so they won't be able to think as well. This will also return the air to Jose's, Rai's, and Cole's lungs.
  • After that, all Jose has to do is use his Dead Wave, which splits everything it comes in contact with in half.

This is him using it. The other person blocked it, but it was using intense light, and even if Storm/Bloodstorm were able to, they wouldn't be able to block Dark Pulse, which is an explosion of darkness created in a large area.

#6 Edited by oceanmaster21 (8046 posts) - - Show Bio

This is good

#7 Posted by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

@shazamfan666:

So.....a few things that...well you addressed like none of my points by ok.

1. Rai used his move to get out of a whirlpool, but how does that help him escape a tornado? Can you find a feat where he's escaped such high, powerful winds as an F5 Tornado?

2. You say Jose moves fast enough to evade a giant Tornado, I'll need proof on that as well. Did you see the giant tornadoes she made to trap the X-men in my post? The one that formed instantly and battered Phoenix? Jose would need millisecond reaction time to just see the tornado and likely microsecond to actually move out of the way.

3. Just in general, video of Jose's feats would be better. All you've shown is him being blocked and then said vague statements like "he's fast and can avoid a tornado". Not really proof if you know what I mean. Show him dodging an instant forming Tornado, and his darkness thing actually splitting something and actually working. The gif makes him look bad tbh.

4. You never countered Storm taking the breath from their lungs, suffocating them.

5. You also never countered them being set on fire by the Boss or being hit his long range fireballs or freeze blasts, or any other abilities he's shown.

6. Did you see the Boss's super speed? Static's EM shields (which I also specified in my post), the darkness blast is very unlikely to get through unless you can prove otherwise, and very unlikely to hit the Boss or Static.

7. How do they counter being magnetized and pinned to a wall by Static?

8. Didn't see a counter to Storm's Lightning.....or the Flash Freeze which was shown to be instant in the scans

9. Storm and Bloodstorm have legendary TP resistance and willpower and resistance against mind stuff.

10. How does Jose avoid being suffocated, and how does he get past Storm's wind shield?

As promised, Cloak's stuff:

Shows him capturing powerful people such as Thanos, Dr. Doom, Hydro Man, and Iron Man. Shows he can obscure vision and redirect attacks, shows him ensnaring a guy and being about to feast on him, and bullets go through him if he wants.

So what does this mean? If he can capture the likes of Thanos and Dr. Doom and Iron Man, well over class 100 people, then I don't see anyone on your team resisting Cloak sucking them up into the Dark Dimension to be feasted upon and to face their darkest fears. This is of course, if your team can survive the onslaught I set before thee, but it further stacks the deck in my favor. Also notice how he redirects Doom's attack? The same can and will happen to Jose's attacks, which will end up incapacitating his own team.

Also, Storm's TP resistance and Wind shield:

Showing her willpower and resistance and that "feeling sad" or anything won't stop her much. Also shows wind can become "solid" as a shield for her, and her powers continue to work after unconsciousness. Meaning that even if someone made it to her, the air in their lungs wouldn't return, the tornado nor the lightning would disappear. Also with 2 Storms, the other could just take over, but again, they don't have to.

#8 Edited by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

In 16:14 of this video, Raimundo didn't dodge the high winds......he used them against the one who sent them. And again, this was using Typhoon Boom, which is weaker than Shoku Star-Wind, which Rai could use to send the F5 tornado right back at Bloodstorm. This will then free Fire and Bivalvan, too.

And even though Jose's attack was blocked, it still split the ground, shown when all those rocks were flying up.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/fairy-tail-episode-26-english-subbed

Copy the above link into your website bar and go to 17:50 (it's in Japanese with subtitles), some good feats for Jose are seen, he caused an explosion with his hand, which will get into both the wind shield and the EM shield, and is shown agile. He may not be able to dodge the tornado, but he'll be able to dodge lightning, and Raimundo will deal with the tornado. And the coldness/sickness isn't any kind of TP, it's a feeling, it will disrupt Storm/Bloodstorm's thoughts and return the air. Jose will be able to disrupt their thinking.

Jose can stop the Boss via immobilization. Magnets lose their charge when heated, so Fire can handle that. Fire will handle the flash freeze, and Bivalvan will stop a flash flood by controlling the water.

#9 Edited by SMXLR8 (1461 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Edited by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

In 16:14 of this video, Raimundo didn't dodge the high winds......he used them against the one who sent them. And again, this was using Typhoon Boom, which is weaker than Shoku Star-Wind, which Rai could use to send the F5 tornado right back at Bloodstorm. This will then free Fire and Bivalvan, too.

And even though Jose's attack was blocked, it still split the ground, shown when all those rocks were flying up.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/fairy-tail-episode-26-english-subbed

Copy the above link into your website bar and go to 17:50 (it's in Japanese with subtitles), some good feats for Jose are seen, he caused an explosion with his hand, which will get into both the wind shield and the EM shield, and is shown agile. He may not be able to dodge the tornado, but he'll be able to dodge lightning, and Raimundo will deal with the tornado. And the coldness/sickness isn't any kind of TP, it's a feeling, it will disrupt Storm/Bloodstorm's thoughts and return the air. Jose will be able to disrupt their thinking.

Jose can stop the Boss via immobilization. Magnets lose their charge when heated, so Fire can handle that. Fire will handle the flash freeze, and Bivalvan will stop a flash flood by controlling the water.

Ok....let's be serious.

You think Raimundo will send a Tornado back at Storm? The goddess of Weather? When has he ever shown such control to overpower someone who is one with the weather, and when has he ever sent a tornado back at someone with the control of Storm? And no, sending a F5 back towards her will not free anyone. Also can Rai do this (or attempt to do this) while he can't breath? Because no counter to those lungs have been presented. Also can he do it when the pressure in his ears is off? Didn't think so.

Ok, again where has Jose shown reflexes to dodge lightning? And where does he show he can penetrate wind and EM shields?

Hmm let's see...looking at the manga (canon), a lightning like attack (likely much slower), hits Jose head on.

His dark wave, is a wave that travels for one, and it's easily blocked by Makarov:

I don't see that getting past any wind shields or EM shields. EM shields that block bullets, fire, and protect Static from falling buildings

I don't see anything on that scale from Jose's magic. At all. So I'll need proof.

And again, Storm's control over the elements:

The power and control over the wind (can even travel by vortex), dissipating someone else's storm

Again, blocking/redirecting Cyclop's blast, her instant tornado nearly kills Magneto and he can't breathe, she can sense through the atmosphere, has complete control and dominion over weather, especially weather caused by her.

Rai's not turning her wind against her. If anything, the opposite would happen.

How does Jose hit the Boss? The Boss is at least as fast as him, if not faster, can jump super high, and again,Jose and everyone is on fire due to the Fire Buff power. So they're suffocating with no air, AND on fire. Doing any of these activities you say they'll do, will only burn out their air quicker, leading to unconsciousness. Also Jose will be downed by lightning as I showed above.

Fire will stop Static? Fire?

Somehow, I get the feeling that fire isn't very effective against him. I mean for god's sakes he blocks fire and puts out fires with his powers. And he'll be immune to it thanks to The Boss's fire buff.

Also I don't remember mentioning a Flash Flood. As for Flash Freeze, Fire will be put out like Human Torch was by Storm, and she's frozen lava before. Now unless Fire can burn at temperatures hotter than lava at 1200 degrees Celsius, then she's confirmed to be frozen. Most likely she'll be frozen anyways.

That's her putting out Torch and freezing lava.

And Bivalvan will be gasping for air, on fire, inside of a tornado, AND struck by lightning, and hit by fireballs, and possibly flash frozen, like the rest of your team. It won't have a chance to do anything, much like the rest of your team.

Also, just so you know, typical lightning bolt moves at 3,700 miles per second or Mach 17499 or mach 17,500 according to:

http://www.komonews.com/weather/faq/4347976.html

http://www.kylesconverter.com/speed-or-velocity/miles-per-second-to-mach-number

Yeah. Don't see anyone dodging her multiple lightning bolts.

#11 Edited by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

@smxlr8 said:

@shazamfan666: wrong move name it's called wudai star wind

My mistake.

@darkraiden said:
@shazamfan666 said:

In 16:14 of this video, Raimundo didn't dodge the high winds......he used them against the one who sent them. And again, this was using Typhoon Boom, which is weaker than Shoku Star-Wind, which Rai could use to send the F5 tornado right back at Bloodstorm. This will then free Fire and Bivalvan, too.

And even though Jose's attack was blocked, it still split the ground, shown when all those rocks were flying up.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/fairy-tail-episode-26-english-subbed

Copy the above link into your website bar and go to 17:50 (it's in Japanese with subtitles), some good feats for Jose are seen, he caused an explosion with his hand, which will get into both the wind shield and the EM shield, and is shown agile. He may not be able to dodge the tornado, but he'll be able to dodge lightning, and Raimundo will deal with the tornado. And the coldness/sickness isn't any kind of TP, it's a feeling, it will disrupt Storm/Bloodstorm's thoughts and return the air. Jose will be able to disrupt their thinking.

Jose can stop the Boss via immobilization. Magnets lose their charge when heated, so Fire can handle that. Fire will handle the flash freeze, and Bivalvan will stop a flash flood by controlling the water.

Ok....let's be serious.

You think Raimundo will send a Tornado back at Storm? The goddess of Weather? When has he ever shown such control to overpower someone who is one with the weather, and when has he ever sent a tornado back at someone with the control of Storm? And no, sending a F5 back towards her will not free anyone. Also can Rai do this (or attempt to do this) while he can't breath? Because no counter to those lungs have been presented. Also can he do it when the pressure in his ears is off? Didn't think so.

Ok, again where has Jose shown reflexes to dodge lightning? And where does he show he can penetrate wind and EM shields?

Hmm let's see...looking at the manga (canon), a lightning like attack (likely much slower), hits Jose head on.

His dark wave, is a wave that travels for one, and it's easily blocked by Makarov:

I don't see that getting past any wind shields or EM shields. EM shields that block bullets, fire, and protect Static from falling buildings

I don't see anything on that scale from Jose's magic. At all. So I'll need proof.

And again, Storm's control over the elements:

The power and control over the wind (can even travel by vortex), dissipating someone else's storm

Again, blocking/redirecting Cyclop's blast, her instant tornado nearly kills Magneto and he can't breathe, she can sense through the atmosphere, has complete control and dominion over weather, especially weather caused by her.

Rai's not turning her wind against her. If anything, the opposite would happen.

How does Jose hit the Boss? The Boss is at least as fast as him, if not faster, can jump super high, and again,Jose and everyone is on fire due to the Fire Buff power. So they're suffocating with no air, AND on fire. Doing any of these activities you say they'll do, will only burn out their air quicker, leading to unconsciousness. Also Jose will be downed by lightning as I showed above.

Fire will stop Static? Fire?

Somehow, I get the feeling that fire isn't very effective against him. I mean for god's sakes he blocks fire and puts out fires with his powers. And he'll be immune to it thanks to The Boss's fire buff.

Also I don't remember mentioning a Flash Flood. As for Flash Freeze, Fire will be put out like Human Torch was by Storm, and she's frozen lava before. Now unless Fire can burn at temperatures hotter than lava at 1200 degrees Celsius, then she's confirmed to be frozen. Most likely she'll be frozen anyways.

That's her putting out Torch and freezing lava.

And Bivalvan will be gasping for air, on fire, inside of a tornado, AND struck by lightning, and hit by fireballs, and possibly flash frozen, like the rest of your team. It won't have a chance to do anything, much like the rest of your team.

Also, just so you know, typical lightning bolt moves at 3,700 miles per second or Mach 17499 or mach 17,500 according to:

http://www.komonews.com/weather/faq/4347976.html

http://www.kylesconverter.com/speed-or-velocity/miles-per-second-to-mach-number

Yeah. Don't see anyone dodging her multiple lightning bolts.

From 17:00 to 18:17 of the above video, Raimundo showed many feats as he defeated Chase Young, Hannibal Roy Bean, Master Monk Guan, AND Wuya. Wuya has shown powers that Storm also has, such as lightning generation, pressure manipulation, or air manipulation. She has also shown powers beyond weather manipulation, such as teleportation and light manipulation. Her powers have been shown at the end of the next video, and various places in the 2 episodes after that.

In Time After Time Part 2, Raimundo also showed durability feats, as he came back after being beaten by Hannibal Roy Bean with about 10 arms, attacked by several gargoyles, and fell with a bunch of rocks. If needed, Cole can use his strength+Spinjitzu to mimic the force caused by the Cannon Blaster. He can launch Raimundo into your team and cause massive damage.

To counter the lungs, after Storm removes the breathing air, Jose can just emit a continuous dark aura that will sicken Storm and make her feel cold, technically forcing her to return the air to my team's lungs and stop the ear pressure.

Fairy Tail Episode 26 English Subbed

17:40 is when Jose shows feats, emitting his sickening aura and using his Dark Pulse (the explosion of light), easily taking out two men. Jose's Dead Wave and his Dark Pulse are two different things. Storm or Bloodstorm can block his Dead Wave, but not Jose's Dark Pulse. He can use the Dead Wave to get Storm/Bloodstorm/Static to raise their shields, then use his Dark Pulse inside their shield, which will take them out.

You argue that Jose cannot dodge lightning. Here's a fun fact: Jose's shades can also form immobilizing lightning. If you want proof, I'll find you some. So if the Boss is around Jose's speed, and Jose cannot dodge lightning, then neither can the Boss. He'll get immobilized.

If fire does not stop Static, then Raimundo+Cole will.

As for the flash freeze, the guys seemed to have a few seconds before they completely froze. In this time, Raimundo could use the Sword of the Storm+Wind (if that's enough, Raimundo can use Wudai Star-Wind and the Blade of the Nebula in combination) to suck up all the snow, while Cole could create a fissure for any snow on the ground. Again, I can find proof for either of these.

#12 Posted by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

@shazamfan666:

1. So no, Raimundo's never shown control over air and wind on Storm's level, good to know, he's done in by the tornado/lung control. Durability is fine, but it's likely not mountain busting+ (if it is, prove it), because Storm's lightning is at least that. Also, no counter to the tornado/lung control bypasses durability

2. Jose putting forth a sickening aura didn't stop Gray or Elfman from attacking, nor did it affect Storm. Making he feel cold, won't make her stop her powers, she's fought battles before, and kept her powers up despite conditions. Especially just cold that doesn't stop ANYONE from attacking on screen. Funny enough, she also wouldn't know Jose is doing it, and thus wouldn't release him or anything (btw only takes 10 seconds max for them to suffocate), and she might not feel it, because unlike fairy tail, she doesn't sense and use magic.

3. Prove Jose can shoot lightning, and then prove it's as fast as natural lightning. Until then, Boss isn't getting immobilized. Also I said the Boss was AT LEAST as fast as him, but faster. So Jose not being able to dodge lightning has nothing to do with the Boss.

4. Prove how Raimundo+Cole take on Static...please do. Especially in the midst of a tornado, with no air in their lungs, messed up ear pressure, while on fire, and flash frozen afterwards if they live.

5. Prove Raimundo can do any of that. Same with Cole. Also

Look at that again, a tornado forms around the person(s), and then BOOM instant flash freeze. Provide a counter to that. There is none.

And hell

6. Prove that Jose can do anything while on fire and with no air in his lungs and ear pressure off. Has he ever used his powers under disorientation? Same with Rai, Cole, and whoever else is on your team. Then prove they can use their powers while inside a tornado, and being struck by lightning and fireballs.

7. Prove Dark Pulse can be spawned behind a shield. It looks more like an invisible wave of energy that causes an explosion. Until you show that, it can't get past EM Shields and Wind shields. Also, the explosion looks like it contains fire, and the Boss is immune to fire, and highly resistant to explosions. Oh and everyone on my team is still immune to fire due to the fire buff.

8. Prove that Jose's feeling thing stops or has ever stopped anyone from attacking

9. To recap, counter being in a tornado, with no air in the lungs, on fire, being hit by fire balls, hit by lightning, being flash frozen afterwards, with ear pressure being off.

10. Though I haven't mentioned it yet, then the team has to deal with Cloak absorbing them as he did the likes of Thanos, Iron Man, Doom, and Hydro Man, and makes them experience their greatest fear, while draining the life out of them.

#13 Edited by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

(1:50) Cole lifting a heavy barbell with two people sitting on it

(17:10) Jack Spicer using the Sword of the Storm to create a twister

(7:00) Tubbimura using the Sword of the Storm to create a twister that sucked in all sand and reached great distances

(5:50) Raimundo easily dodging explosions

(18:00) Raimundo dodging an electrical explosion

(17:20) Cole easily KOing 3 Serpentine

(19:50) Cole's indestructibility

(0:16) Bivalvan easily KO-ing Gwen and Kevin

(14:42) Raimundo combining the Sword of the Storm with his wind element

(3:58) Raimundo using Typhoon Boom like telekinesis

(15:15) Raimundo creating his own cyclone

(12:05) Cole using his true potential to effortlessly break open a door

I'll find Jose's lightning sometime later.

Now that I've shown all of these:

  • Bivalvan's water was powerful enough to launch Gwen and Kevin through Gwen's mana shield. Her shields have constantly blocked continuous gunfire. Bivalvan can launch Cole using his true potential into a wind shield or EM shield, and that will give Cole the force he needs to penetrate it. Cole knocks out Storm and Bloodstorm, returning the air and stopping the ear pressure.
  • The use of a Shen Gong Wu is the same for anyone. The Sword of the Storm will even become stronger when Raimundo combines it with his wind element and Wudai Star-Wind. The powerful wind that Tubbimura created picked up all the sand, it could be used to pick up snow, too. Plus, just go to the beginning of a Ninjago episode, the theme song (showing things the ninja can actually do) has Cole creating a fissure.
  • In Bloodstorm's tornado, Raimundo can create his own twister using Wudai Star-Wind, the Sword of the Storm-Wind, and the Blade of the Nebula, which will rescue everyone, including himself.
  • If on fire, Bivalvan can just douse everyone. Also, in 13:30 of the very first video I posted on this thread, Raimundo's agility and jumping skills are seen, so he can dodge all the Boss's fireballs.
  • To counter Cloak, Raimundo has great agility, and can create a powerful wind tornado that should be more powerful than Cloak's capturing. Also, via Cole's true potential, he becomes rock solid, so if all else fails, my team can just grab onto him to prevent being sucked in.
  • If Storm/Bloodstorm aren't taken out by now, Bivalvan can launch Raimundo using Wudai Star-Wind just like the Cannon Blaster launched Raimundo into Wuya, Hannibal, Guan, and Chase, taking them out.
  • Any proof Storm/Bloodstorm can remove air from multiple peoples' lungs at the same time?
#14 Posted by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

(1:50) Cole lifting a heavy barbell with two people sitting on it

(17:10) Jack Spicer using the Sword of the Storm to create a twister

(7:00) Tubbimura using the Sword of the Storm to create a twister that sucked in all sand and reached great distances

(5:50) Raimundo easily dodging explosions

(18:00) Raimundo dodging an electrical explosion

(17:20) Cole easily KOing 3 Serpentine

(19:50) Cole's indestructibility

(0:16) Bivalvan easily KO-ing Gwen and Kevin

(14:42) Raimundo combining the Sword of the Storm with his wind element

(3:58) Raimundo using Typhoon Boom like telekinesis

(15:15) Raimundo creating his own cyclone

(12:05) Cole using his true potential to effortlessly break open a door

I'll find Jose's lightning sometime later.

Now that I've shown all of these:

  • Bivalvan's water was powerful enough to launch Gwen and Kevin through Gwen's mana shield. Her shields have constantly blocked continuous gunfire. Bivalvan can launch Cole using his true potential into a wind shield or EM shield, and that will give Cole the force he needs to penetrate it. Cole knocks out Storm and Bloodstorm, returning the air and stopping the ear pressure.
  • The use of a Shen Gong Wu is the same for anyone. The Sword of the Storm will even become stronger when Raimundo combines it with his wind element and Wudai Star-Wind. The powerful wind that Tubbimura created picked up all the sand, it could be used to pick up snow, too. Plus, just go to the beginning of a Ninjago episode, the theme song (showing things the ninja can actually do) has Cole creating a fissure.
  • In Bloodstorm's tornado, Raimundo can create his own twister using Wudai Star-Wind, the Sword of the Storm-Wind, and the Blade of the Nebula, which will rescue everyone, including himself.
  • If on fire, Bivalvan can just douse everyone. Also, in 13:30 of the very first video I posted on this thread, Raimundo's agility and jumping skills are seen, so he can dodge all the Boss's fireballs.
  • To counter Cloak, Raimundo has great agility, and can create a powerful wind tornado that should be more powerful than Cloak's capturing. Also, via Cole's true potential, he becomes rock solid, so if all else fails, my team can just grab onto him to prevent being sucked in.
  • Any proof Storm/Bloodstorm can remove air from multiple peoples' lungs at the same time?

Ok First, let me remind you just how powerful Cyclops' blasts are

These babies blast holes in sentinels, Wolverine says they feel like getting hit with a mountain, he blasts people out of buildings, carves holes in mountains, and blasts the tops off of mountains. And this is with the visor on.

Without the visor:

He incinerates people, hits Juggernaut with the enough force to rip a small planet in half, kills a giant monster, clears a forest, and destroys a large iceberg.

And Storm did this:

And Static's Em shields have blocked, again, buildings falling, large bombs, etc.

Machine gun bullets. Cute.

And while we're mentioning Static, I've already said how he will charge your team and stick them to a wall, but I didn't see sword of the storm. unfortunately for you, Sword of the Storm is made of metal. And thus, Static can easily disarm Rai instantly, and will do so.

As such:

And the last one was to counter the water moves, as he dispels a tidal wave

Now let's do this again. To create his own tornado or to manipulate WIND AT ALL inside of Storm's Tornado, Rai has to overpower her control of the elements, mainly wind at the moment. Now, I need proof he can overpower giant tornadoes that envelop cities, as so:

Added a few to show the size of her hurricanes/tornadoes/ some control, the fact that she can also disarm people with her lightning, that she can hit multiple people at once with lightning, and more. Rai can't do anything when inside her storm.

Now, can they control the air in multiple people's lungs? Logic says yes. On Panel says, with logic, yes.

Looking at the first scan again, multiple people are caught up in her wind. Only one confirms that he can't breathe, but it'd make no sense for the others not to be affected. But just in case, the next scan is Storm saying she can freeze people's lungs, and the last 2 are Magneto stating that her cyclones, her tornadoes by default make it so that you can't breathe. So yeah, a simple tornado is all it takes, and the breathlessness comes with it.

As for Raimundo dodging the Bosses fireballs, maybe. But look again at the radius the explosion makes. The description even says "Area 3 Maximizes Blast's area of effect range. Blast entire intersections!" in the game/wiki. So Rai has to dodge a blast that encompasses an entire intersection. And even better, again, the fire buff makes the Bosses enemies catch on fire just by proximity. So Rai will be on fire, and if it's put out, the buff will simply make him catch fire again.

Worst case scenario, for you, is that the Boss switches to lightning or freeze buff, one that shocks all your team by proximity, and the other that freezes them solid. It's in the videos if you need to see proof.

Oh and lol. A giant tornado overpowering Cloak? I showed Cloak sucking in Iron Man, Doom, and Thanos. Iron Man resisted the suction of a mini blackhole (I have proof if you need it), and Thanos has strength that is far above planetary, as does Doom's armor's resistance. A tornado isn't even close to Cloak's power in the slightest. His suction will work, and you will be feasted upon in the Darkforce under his cloak.

So again I summarize:

  1. Counter to being set on fire continuously? If not that, then frozen, and/or shocked by mere proximity?
  2. EM shields block large bombs and building explosions, Cole's not breaking it
  3. Storm's/Bloodstorm's wind blocks Cyclops blasts, as does her lightning. Cole's not breaking through that either. And if he broke through the wind, a Lightning Bolt would meet him
  4. Can't dodge the Bosses fireballs unless you can dodge it and clear an entire intersection. Same goes with Freeze. And I haven't even gotten into TK yet (one of them is Life Steal :D )
  5. No counter for Storm/Bloodstorm sucking the air out of everyone, and I proved that her tornadoes do this by default
  6. No counter for Storms/Bloodstorms multiple lightning strikes
  7. No counter for Static sticking you guys to a wall or to each other
  8. Storm and Static can disarm Raimundo if necessary (it's not) as well as anyone else on your team
  9. Still no counter to Flash Freeze
  10. Rai can't break Storm's wind control unless he can show he can overpower city-enveloping winds
  11. Cloak can feast on them in his .....well cloak

#15 Posted by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

Go to 16:50

That's when Jose's shades are seen fighting a large group of people. Jose says the shades just need a touch and they will drain their life. The people that get drained don't even have time to react, and the shades just regenerate after being destroyed. And under the video, there is a button that says Next. If you press that, it will take you to the next episode, and near the beginning, Jose easily spawns another wave of shades.

As for the shields, the things that Gwen blocked weren't machine gun bullets.

If you watch this video, you'll see Gwen blocking things such as powerful lasers and pounds from giant creatures. Yet, Bivalvan penetrated it like it was nothing, he'll be able to do the same to your EM shield by launching Cole AND Raimundo.

As for Cloak, I've seen that someone can avoid being sucked in by just grabbing onto something solid....As I've shown, Cole can become rock solid, and everyone can just grab onto him. Can Cloak attempt to suck in my team without sucking in yours?

As for taking the Sword of the Storm or pinning my characters to a wall, magnets lose their charge if they're heated. And just in case you haven't noticed, we're battling in a location filled with lava, so I don't think any of your characters can use magnetism.

Yeah.....I'm pretty sure my team can't be on fire and be flash frozen at the same time. If the boss keeps setting them on fire again, Bivalvan will keep putting them out again. Also, the flash freeze will be able to freeze Static, too. If the boss uses his freeze buff to make his team immune to freezing, then he can't set my team on fire. And as I've shown, Raimundo can use the Sword of the Storm to suck up all the snow exactly like when Tubbimura sucked up all the sand. Raimundo can even create his own snowstorm from Storm's snow. And if your team has freeze buff and the Boss tries to freeze my team, he can't freeze Fire, so she'll thaw the others out.

As for Storm's tornado, breath, and lightning, I'll get back with something later.

#16 Posted by SMXLR8 (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

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#17 Edited by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

Go to 16:50

That's when Jose's shades are seen fighting a large group of people. Jose says the shades just need a touch and they will drain their life. The people that get drained don't even have time to react, and the shades just regenerate after being destroyed. And under the video, there is a button that says Next. If you press that, it will take you to the next episode, and near the beginning, Jose easily spawns another wave of shades.

As for the shields, the things that Gwen blocked weren't machine gun bullets.

If you watch this video, you'll see Gwen blocking things such as powerful lasers and pounds from giant creatures. Yet, Bivalvan penetrated it like it was nothing, he'll be able to do the same to your EM shield by launching Cole AND Raimundo.

As for Cloak, I've seen that someone can avoid being sucked in by just grabbing onto something solid....As I've shown, Cole can become rock solid, and everyone can just grab onto him. Can Cloak attempt to suck in my team without sucking in yours?

As for taking the Sword of the Storm or pinning my characters to a wall, magnets lose their charge if they're heated. And just in case you haven't noticed, we're battling in a location filled with lava, so I don't think any of your characters can use magnetism.

Yeah.....I'm pretty sure my team can't be on fire and be flash frozen at the same time. If the boss keeps setting them on fire again, Bivalvan will keep putting them out again. Also, the flash freeze will be able to freeze Static, too. If the boss uses his freeze buff to make his team immune to freezing, then he can't set my team on fire. And as I've shown, Raimundo can use the Sword of the Storm to suck up all the snow exactly like when Tubbimura sucked up all the sand. Raimundo can even create his own snowstorm from Storm's snow. And if your team has freeze buff and the Boss tries to freeze my team, he can't freeze Fire, so she'll thaw the others out.

As for Storm's tornado, breath, and lightning, I'll get back with something later.

Next time tag me.

Ok

1. In that video, Gwen's shields broke 4 times, 2 times to random energy attacks, 1 to lightning, and one to a random hit by a guy. More importantly, she never did something as high scale as block a collapsing building, or block people from bombs or block a gas bomb at the last second. If these are the shields they broke, they're not close to Static's EM shields. So no breaking through until better proof is shown.

2. And yet, Iron Man, Hydro Man, and THANOS couldn't resist it. Yeah no. Prove Cole himself can resist it, and then you can claim that, and even then no. No anchor makes you have more resistance than Iron Man (who, again, flew out of a mini-blackhole) and Thanos. And yes, he absorbs people all the time w/o absorbing Dagger, his partner.

3. The shades were slow moving and easy to destroy. The Bosses fireballs, the firebuff putting them on fire, and Storm's wind would still block them, as would the EM Shields. The real prblem is that Jose would never have a chance to make them as he's instantly in a tornado, not breathing, with messed up ear pressure, and on fire.

4. Again, I've shown static use his EM against gas bombs, I've shown him use them against fire and even to put out fires. Heat doesn't mess with HIS magnetism and his powers. The magnetism appears to be too strong.

5. Remember, Flash Frozen is only IF you survive the rest. And it's instant. And there's not much snow. Look at how Storm froze the baronness, a mini tornado, and then POOF frozen, no snow really involved and no way for your team to counter it. And who on your team can Flash Freeze? If Storm does it, she won't be hitting my team, just your team as she did the Baronness. And she's frozen lava before, so you have to prove that she won't be able to freeze Fire, like a number that makes her somehow hotter than lava in degrees or whatnot. Then she has to deal with the fact that no oxygen means no fire. So basically, still no counter to Flash Freeze.

So we're still left with

  • No counter to having their breath taken from them/not being able to brath
  • No counter to the giant tornado they'll be in
  • No counter to being on fire and hit with fireballs
  • No counter to pressure in the ears
  • No counter to Multiple Lightning Strikes
  • No way past the EM and Wind Shields
  • No counter to Flash Freeze
  • No counter to being magnetized
  • No counter to Cloak's suction
#18 Posted by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

Let me just say some things:

  • The Boss CANNOT set my team on fire while they're in the tornado. Fire needs oxygen, and Storm's/Bloodstorm's tornadoes take oxygen away.
  • A localized tornado cannot be powerful enough to envelop a city. It will have to be weaker, or it will get your team, too. Raimundo can just use Wudai Star-Wind to send it back, aided by the Sword of the Storm and Blade of the Nebula.
  • Since the tornado's gone, Storm/Bloodstorm will be forced to take away the breath of just one person, or they could just each take away the breath of one. Prove Storm and Bloodstorm can do 2 things with their powers at once. If you can't, that means no flashfreeze, no lightning, no ear pressure, no shields. And with no shields, Jose can use Dark Pulse to easily KO them or Dead Wave.

  • If Storm/Bloodstorm don't take away any breath, that's when Jose quickly spawns his shades, so your team has to fight them instead of us. And when your team isn't fighting mine:

Cole would easily knock Storm, Bloodstorm, and the Boss out with the Triple Tiger Sashay

Jose hits them with Dark Pulse and/or Dead Wave

Bivalvan attacks them with water

  • And if your team tries to do anything to mine such as lightning or a flashfreeze, Jose's shades drain their life right afterwards. Then that results in a tie.
  • The only reason Dagger didn't get sucked in is because she grabbed onto something solid. Cole could create a fissure, which everyone grabs onto, saving them from getting sucked in.
  • When Storm put out Torch, it was not instant, and it was using wind. As I've shown, Raimundo can send wind flying back. If Storm uses a flashfreeze before putting out Fire, Fire will have time to thaw one or two of them first. And unfreezing Raimundo will be a problem, because he'll now be prepared to send Storm's chilling winds right back.
#19 Posted by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

Let me just say some things:

  • The Boss CANNOT set my team on fire while they're in the tornado. Fire needs oxygen, and Storm's/Bloodstorm's tornadoes take oxygen away.
  • A localized tornado cannot be powerful enough to envelop a city. It will have to be weaker, or it will get your team, too. Raimundo can just use Wudai Star-Wind to send it back, aided by the Sword of the Storm and Blade of the Nebula.
  • Since the tornado's gone, Storm/Bloodstorm will be forced to take away the breath of just one person, or they could just each take away the breath of one. Prove Storm and Bloodstorm can do 2 things with their powers at once. If you can't, that means no flashfreeze, no lightning, no ear pressure, no shields. And with no shields, Jose can use Dark Pulse to easily KO them or Dead Wave.
  • If Storm/Bloodstorm don't take away any breath, that's when Jose quickly spawns his shades, so your team has to fight them instead of us. And when your team isn't fighting mine:

Cole would easily knock Storm, Bloodstorm, and the Boss out with the Triple Tiger Sashay

Jose hits them with Dark Pulse and/or Dead Wave

Bivalvan attacks them with water

  • And if your team tries to do anything to mine such as lightning or a flashfreeze, Jose's shades drain their life right afterwards. Then that results in a tie.
  • The only reason Dagger didn't get sucked in is because she grabbed onto something solid. Cole could create a fissure, which everyone grabs onto, saving them from getting sucked in.
  • When Storm put out Torch, it was not instant, and it was using wind. As I've shown, Raimundo can send wind flying back. If Storm uses a flashfreeze before putting out Fire, Fire will have time to thaw one or two of them first. And unfreezing Raimundo will be a problem, because he'll now be prepared to send Storm's chilling winds right back.

1. I know, this fire is for after your out of the wind (if you can escape. you can't, but back up plans and such.

2. Yes, yes it can.

A brief, small, localized F5. And the city scan showed she can control who or what gets sucked up. The entire city was engulfed, and only the sentinel was hurt.

And again, no he can't Storm controls ALL wind.

There it, again details how she controls ALL weather and bends it to her will. Period. Rai's never cent a city busting tornado back, or done anything on that level. And the second scan shows her taking control of another guy WHO WAS LITERALLY WIND. She took control of his body, his being. And earlier I showed her taking over other people's storms.

Multiple powers? Did you not see the sentinal scan? there was lightning and wind and everything.

Here again, she does lightning, wind, and freeze against a giant kraken monster:

And yeah, putting out Human Torch was pretty instant.

Again, multiple lightning strikes take care of everything:

And again, showing the scale of storm's wind. Rai can't take control of that until you SHOW it. Prove it. I've already shown Storm's unrivaled control of wind, show yours.

the shades will be caught in a tornado (if they even are created), they will be hit with lightning, they won't get close to my team.

Cole still can't get past the wind or EM shields until you PROVE it. Can he generate more force than a collapsing building? Mountain busting eye beams? Gas bombs? if not, then he's not getting past either of my shields.

Again, water will be flash frozen. And Fire can't thaw it until you can prove she's MUCH hotter than Lava. I showed Storm freezing lava. Show Fire being hotter than lava please.

BTW, parameters of a normal, non mutant boosted F5 tornado:

F5261–318419–512<0.1%1100 ~(approx. 3/4 mile or more)Incredible damage.

Strong frame houses lifted off foundations and carried considerable distances to disintegrate; automobile sized missiles fly through the air in excess of 100 m (110 yd); trees debarked; steel reinforced concrete structures badly damaged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujita_scale

And the heat of lava:

"The source of the heat that liquifies the rock within the earth is geothermal energy. When first erupted from a volcanic vent, lava is a liquid at temperatures from 700 to 1,200 °C (1,292 to 2,192 °F)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lava

So I'd like to see Fire being much, much hotter than that. Or she can't thaw out any ice.

So again, valiant effort but:

  • No counter to having their breath taken from them/not being able to brath
  • No counter to the giant tornado they'll be in
  • No counter to being on fire and hit with fireballs
  • No counter to pressure in the ears
  • No counter to Multiple Lightning Strikes
  • No way past the EM and Wind Shields
  • No counter to Flash Freeze
  • No counter to being magnetized
  • No counter to Cloak's suction
#20 Posted by ShazamFan666 (389 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: You win. I can't really counter anything.

#21 Posted by DarkRaiden (7305 posts) - - Show Bio