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#1  Edited By RainEffect

It's time for another tournament of mine, but first things first, I need to ask someone to help co-admin this tournament. If you are interested, PM me. Cheers!

Rules

  • You will form a team of five members. You must have one leader, two-street levels, one brawler and one energy user.
  • Your characters must be obscure (more on this shortly).
  • For ease of character knowledge during debating, DC and Marvel only.
  • You can name your team. Please do so!

Definition of Obscure

Now, by obscure, I am going under the basis of someone who does not currently have their own running series. I'm talking support characters who are rarely focused on, but still play a minor role in a character's issue-to-issue events. The best example I can come up with that covers a wide range of characters would be, in the instance of Batman, Mr. Freeze. Mr. Freeze is a villain, but he is not a major villain. He makes appearances here and there, but rarely does he take the spotlight. That's what I'm looking for, someone who doesn't take the spotlight. Another example would be Ben Reily from Spiderman - he isn't Peter Parker and he isn't 'mainstream' in that sense.  
 
I hope that makes sense, if you need any more help, just post here.

Members/Restrictions

Leader:
  • Equal to/less than the strength of the Thing.
  • No faster than Archangel (who is pretty damn fast).
  • No more powerful blasts than Cyclops.
Street-Levellers:
  • Don't really need restrictions.
Brawler:
  • No stronger than fulll-strength Namor.
  • Cannot speedblitz. I don't want someone who can have the strength of Hulk with the speed of Flash.
Energy:
  • Max power is Starfire
One of your team needs to be in charge of prep.
 
If you think I should change anything, let me know and I'll discuss it. I want to make this as friendly as possible.
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#2  Edited By RainEffect

Crap. I should've thought of a team before I posted this. >.>

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#3  Edited By DedmanWalkin

Obscure is my specialty.

Leader: Mr. Negative (Martin Li)

Street Leveler: The Atom (Ryan Choi)

Street Leveler: Nightcrawler (Pre-Death or AoA, if not obscure enough)

Brawler: Titannus (Skrull Powerhouse)

Energy: The Gorgon (Tomi Shishido)

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#4  Edited By Saren

Do Wildstorm characters count as DC since they've been absorbed into the DCU?

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#5  Edited By DedmanWalkin

Wildstorm should be DQ'ed, most of them are obscenely powerful in comparison to DC and Marvel characters, especially obscure ones.

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#7  Edited By Saren

@DedmanWalkin said:

Wildstorm should be DQ'ed, most of them are obscenely powerful in comparison to DC and Marvel characters, especially obscure ones.

I wouldn't say that, it really depends on who you pick.

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#8  Edited By RainEffect
@DedmanWalkin said:

Obscure is my specialty.

Leader: Mr. Negative (Martin Li)

Street Leveler: The Atom (Ryan Choi)

Street Leveler: Nightcrawler (Pre-Death or AoA, if not obscure enough)

Brawler: Titannus (Skrull Powerhouse)

Energy: The Gorgon (Tomi Shishido)

@CitizenBane said:

Leader: Jack Hawksmoor

Street-levelers: Zealot and Ravager

Brawler: Midnighter

Energy: Starfire

This is what I'm talking about! You guys did exactly what I wanted, picked obscure and non-mainstream characters. 
 
DedmanWalkin, you're all good. 
CB, you know how I feel about Midnighter. Unless you can convince me that he can be beaten, I'm iffy about him. Sorry bro. </3
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#9  Edited By Saren

@RainEffect: I'll try to find the links, but Buckshot (who's CV'S Wildstorm expert) has argued many times that characters like Spider-Man, Venom, Carnage etc. can defeat Midnighter because their stats are superior to his. Your conditions for Brawlers means that there are characters with similar stats who could conceivably beat Midnighter.

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#10  Edited By DedmanWalkin

Jack would be okay only if battles take place in undeveloped areas, in a city he becomes way too powerful. Zealot and Midnighter are damn near unstoppable they both can take on Superman-level threats.

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#11  Edited By Saren

@DedmanWalkin said:

Jack would be okay only if battles take place in undeveloped areas, in a city he becomes way too powerful. Zealot and Midnighter are damn near unstoppable they both can take on Superman-level threats.

Jack is fine as long as he doesn't unify himself with the city. I'm willing to accept such a restriction. When have Zealot and Midnighter defeated Superman-level threats?

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#12  Edited By DedmanWalkin

Midnighter took on a person with superspeed without issue, he also was able to take on several of the Superclones generated by the crazy asian bad guy whose name escapes me. Zealot took on someone of similar power levels I just can't remember who. Wildstorm is not my specific specialty so I might be misremembering things.

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#13  Edited By Saren

@DedmanWalkin said:

Midnighter took on a person with superspeed without issue, he also was able to take on several of the Superclones generated by the crazy asian bad guy whose name escapes me. Zealot took on someone of similar power levels I just can't remember who. Wildstorm is not my specific specialty so I might be misremembering things.

That was Impetus, and the crazy Asian bad guy was presumably Kaizen Gamorra. Impetus was fighting the Authority and Stormwatch all at the same time, Midnighter didn't fight him on his own. Zealot distracted Majestic with the help of Nemesis, that's about it.

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#15  Edited By RainEffect
@CitizenBane said:

@RainEffect: I'll try to find the links, but Buckshot (who's CV'S Wildstorm expert) has argued many times that characters like Spider-Man, Venom, Carnage etc. can defeat Midnighter because their stats are superior to his. Your conditions for Brawlers means that there are characters with similar stats who could conceivably beat Midnighter.

Yeah, would you be able to find a link for me? I trust you, but I want to read into it more for myself. On a side note, I should have clarified - I used Starfire as a guide to power levels; she's not allowed as she isn't obscure.
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#16  Edited By DedmanWalkin

Impetus was wrecking most of the people on the team until Midnighter came in and took him on one on one and won.

Majestic is like Superman on crack, even distracting him is quite a feat.

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#17  Edited By Saren

@RainEffect:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/midnighter-vs-noh-varr-and-spiderman/568177/

Here's what 'Shot said:

"I think Spider-Man gives Midnighter a pretty even fight and Noh Varr bring something to the table too. With all of them bloodloosted Spider-man gets the biggest increase and I think it puts him over Midnighter. If Noh Varr is in his new/current form I think he's of a greater power level than the other two though. Midnighter doesn't win this."


Current Spider-Man has a boosted Spider-Sense to go with his kung-fu training.


If Starfire's not allowed, I'll have to think it over and get back to you.
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#18  Edited By Saren

@RainEffect: How about classic Legion, with only telepathy, telekinesis and pyrokinesis? Or is the TP and TK too much?

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#19  Edited By DedmanWalkin

Buckshot also suggested that Midnighter could take on What If? Spider-man. A Spider-man who is willing to kill and can see several moments into the future.

Now Post-52 Midnighter may be different, I have not read it.

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#20  Edited By Saren

@DedmanWalkin said:

Buckshot also suggested that Midnighter could take on What If? Spider-man. A Spider-man who is willing to kill and can see several moments into the future.

Now Post-52 Midnighter may be different, I have not read it.

Yes, he said that a bloodlusted Spider-Man is a generally even fight for 'Nighter.

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#21  Edited By RainEffect
@CitizenBane said:

@RainEffect: How about classic Legion, with only telepathy, telekinesis and pyrokinesis? Or is the TP and TK too much?

Starfire's a no-go, just because she's not obscure (she has her own series currently). 
 
Isn't Legion capable of massive reality manipulation?
 
Edit: Sorry, didn't read your post properly. I'd remove the TP and allow his TK and Pyro.
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#22  Edited By Saren

@RainEffect: Ok, then I'm going with Legion who only has TK and Pyro.

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#23  Edited By DedmanWalkin

No, he said that Midnighter would win a fight with What If? Spider-man. This Spider-man could actually see the future and was willing to kill. He would destroy current bloodlusted 616 Spider-man and Buckshot suggested that Midnighter could take him. Essentially, he said that Midnighter > What If Spider-man > Bloodlusted Spider-man.

This is why it is generally better to just DQ Wildstorm.

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@DedmanWalkin said:

No, he said that Midnighter would win a fight with What If? Spider-man. This Spider-man could actually see the future and was willing to kill. He would destroy current bloodlusted 616 Spider-man and Buckshot suggested that Midnighter could take him. Essentially, he said that Midnighter > What If Spider-man > Bloodlusted Spider-man.

This is why it is generally better to just DQ Wildstorm.

He said Midnighter vs 616 Spider-Man was an even fight 14 months ago. Current 616 Spider-Man has his improved Spider-Sense and his martial arts training from Shang Chi. He can match Midnighter.

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#25  Edited By DedmanWalkin

What If? Spider-man is much more capable than current 616 Spider-man. If Buckshot said that Midnighter could take down What If? Spider-man then by default he believes that Midnighter could take down current 616 Spider-man. Buckshot may have changed his mind but that just suggests that Midnighter was never as strong as he suggested bringing his credibility into question.

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@DedmanWalkin said:

What If? Spider-man is much more capable than current 616 Spider-man. If Buckshot said that Midnighter could take down What If? Spider-man then by default he believes that Midnighter could take down current 616 Spider-man. Buckshot may have changed his mind but that just suggests that Midnighter was never as strong as he suggested bringing his credibility into question.

Spider-Man a year ago is demonstrably weaker than Spider-Man right now.

But fine, since there's a dispute I'll switch out Midnighter for Azrael.

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#28  Edited By Saren

So my final team is:

Jack Hawksmoor (Leader)
Jack Hawksmoor (Leader)
Zealot (Street 1)
Zealot (Street 1)
Ravager (Street 2)
Ravager (Street 2)
Azrael (Brawler)
Azrael (Brawler)
Classic Legion (Energy)
Classic Legion (Energy)
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#29  Edited By RainEffect
@Phylos: You're all set. Crystal <3
 
@CitizenBane: Thanks heaps for making these adjustments and not being a twat about it. I appreciate it, bro. Your team is all set.
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#31  Edited By Superskrull86

Brawler: Arkon Street level: Shang-Chi Street level: Ogun Energy user: Darkstar Leader: D-Man

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#33  Edited By RainEffect
@emperorznb: Gambit isn't obscure, sorry mate! 
@CitizenBane: Who is your prepper, by the way?
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#35  Edited By Saren

@RainEffect: Jean-Paul is my prepper.

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#36  Edited By RainEffect
@CitizenBane said:

@RainEffect: Jean-Paul is my prepper.

I was about to ask. xD
 
Also, I thought it was Michael Lane, but if you want Jean-Paul, that should be fine.
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#37  Edited By AMS

Mantis could beat Midnighter........

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#40  Edited By Saren

@PaperRonin: Ambrose can warp time, that would give him an unfair advantage. I removed Classic Legion's TP and time manipulation so that it wasn't unfair.

@nickthedevil: Taskmaster and Sunfire aren't obscure.

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#42  Edited By AMS

@PaperRonin: Solid team.

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#44  Edited By PaperRonin
@AMS said:

@PaperRonin: Solid team.

Thanks. I thought so too.
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#45  Edited By RainEffect

Lads, thanks for your patience. I'm just letting you know that Nickthedevil will be co-admining this tournament. He'll be handling most of these sign-ups as he has more free time than me as I have two essays due in two days FML. Should've thought of that before I made this >.>
 
Thanks again! Looking forward to getting this going!

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#46  Edited By nickthedevil

~CURRENT TEAMS~

DedmanWalkin

Leader: Mr. Negative (Martin Li)

Street Leveler: The Atom (Ryan Choi)

Street Leveler: Nightcrawler (Pre-Death)

Brawler: Titannus (Skrull Powerhouse)

Energy: The Gorgon (Tomi Shishido)

CitizenBane

Leader: Jack Hawksmoor

Street Leveler: Zealot

Street leveler 2: Ravager

Brawler: Azrael (Paul-Valley) (Prepper)

Energy: Classic Legion (TK and Pyro only)

@LordStoop:

Leader: the tinkerer

Street level #1: Nocture

Street level #2: Razorfist

Brawler: Neutron

Energy: Superskrull already has darkstar

the tinkerer is the prepper

Night Thrasher

Leader: Gilgamesh

Street Leveler: Solo

Energy User: Sundown

Prep: Armada

Brawler: Korath

Phylos

Leader : Crystal

Street Leveler : Sage (prep)

Street Leveler : Domino

Brawler : Vixen

Energy : Nightside

Emperorznb

Leader:Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) (Prep)

Street Level 1:Karate Kid

Street Level 2:Typhoid Mary

Brawler:Hulkling

Energy:Hiro-Kala

Superskrull86

Brawler: Arkon

Street level: Shang-Chi

Street level: Ogun

Energy user: Darkstar

Leader: D-Man

RainEffect

Magma - Leader

Batman (Damian Wayne) - Street 1

Romulus - Street 2

Ezekiel Stane - Brawler[Prep]

Chamber - Energy

Nickthedevil

Leader: Owlman (Prepper)

Street Level #1: Spider man 2099- Miguel O'Hara

Street Level #2: Taskmaster

Brawler: Master Man (the latest one)

Energy: Vengeance (badillino)

Charmix

Leader: Arcanna

Street Level #1: Karnak

Street Level #2: Cheshire

Brawler: Moonstone

Energy: Victor Mancha

PaperRonin

Leader: Gamora

Street Level #1: Mantis

Street Level #2: Backlash

Brawler: Noh-Varr

Energy: Havok

Also putting it out there on The "Obscure" basis. Quoting RainEffect:

"In regards to obscure, I'm going off the basis that the character is not a major part of a current series. For example, Magma is in Wolverine and the X-Men, but she's just a teacher at his school, she isn't central to the plot or anything."

In regards to my Taskmaster:

"Taskmaster doesn't have his own series, and to my knowledge, he currently isn't appearing in anything. However, he is very well known. I suppose, if you look at the logic that I gave you with my claiming of Magma, I, theoretically,would have to approve him.

I'll allow him."

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@PaperRonin said:

@PaperRonin said:

Leader: Gamora

Street Level #1: Mantis

Street Level #2: Backlash

Brawler: Noh-Varr

Energy: Havok

this is good, But restrictions on reality warping.

i mean limiting Noh-varr's tech from time travel and Reality warping

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