Floopay (FF7) vs Cadence (Warhammer 40K)

A clash of Universes. A Planet trembles at the powers unleash on it. FF7 best vs 40K best.

- No BFR

- No Prep

- Starts from 1 mile away from eachother. 40K starts left. FF7 starts right. Meeting in the middle.

Sephiroth:

· Weapons: Masamune

· Armor: Escort Guard (Halves the effectiveness of Fire, Cold, and Electric based attacks)

· Accessories: Protect Ring (Permanent: Wall)

· Materia: Haste, Revive, Restore, Earth, Fire, Ice

· Vehicles: None

Vincent Valentine:

· Weapons: Cerberus, Death Penalty

· Armor: Standard Armor, Mystile (Increases user's defense)

· Accessories: Tetra Elemental (Absorbs all elemental based attacks)

· Materia: Shield, Barrier, Lightning, Ice, Heal, Restore

· Vehicles: Hoverboard

Cloud Strife:

· Weapons: Fusion Sword

· Armor: Escort Guard (Halves the effects of Fire, Cold, and Electric based attacks)

· Accessories: Sprint Shoes (Permanent: Haste)

· Materia: Restore, Heal, Fire, Lightning, Earth, and Barrier

· Vehicles: Fenrir

Zack Fair

· Weapons: Buster Sword

· Armor: Force of Nature (Zack's attacks do Physical, Fire, Lightning, and Ice damage, and he absorbs Fire, Lightning, and Ice based attacks)

· Accessories: Ribbon (Immune to poisons, blind, and status effects)

· Materia: Wall, Regen, Firaga, Blizzaga, Haste

· Vehicles: Motorcycle

Kadaj

· Weapons: Souba

· Armor: Escort Guard (Halves Damage from Fire/Cold/Electric)

· Accessories: Ribbon (Immune to Poisons, Blind, and Status Effects)

· Materia: Bahamut SIN, Fire, Lightning, Haste

· Vehicles: Motorcycle

Weiss the Immaculate Emperor

· Weapon: Gunblade x2

· Armor: None

· Accessory: None

· Materia: Shield

· Vehicle: None

Nero the Sable

· Weapons: Nero's Gun(s) x4, Wings

· Armor: Standard Armor

· Accessories: None

· Materia: Shield

· Vehicles: None

Genesis Rhapsodos

• Weapon: Genesis's Rapier
• Armor: Standard Armor
• Accessories: Ribbon (Immune to Poisons, Blind, and all status effects)
• Materia: Firaga, Regen, Wall, Bahamut Fury, Ifrit, Bahamut
• Vehicles: None

VS

Dark Apsotle Marduk / Power Armour, Rosarius, Crozius Arcanium, Bolt Pistol.

Burias Drak'Shal / Power Armour

Kharn the Betrayer / Power Armour, Gorechild, Plasma Pistol, Mark of Khorn

Lucius the Eternal / Power Armour, Lash of Torment, Laer Blade, Doom Siren, Mark of Slaanesh

Karandras the Shadow Hunter / Phoenix Armour, Scoirpion Claw, Scoirpion Blade, Scoirpion Bite

M'Shen Callidus Assassin / Assassin Suit, Mask, Polymorphin Drug, C'Tan Phase Blade, Poison Blades, Neural Shredder

Huron Blackheart The Blood Reaver / Power Armour, Iron Halo, Haymadrya, Tyrants Fist, Power Axe

Ahriman Exile of Thousand Sons / Power Armour, Staff of Ahriman, Book of Magnus, Bolt Pistol, Mark of Tzeentch

@CadenceV2: This first post is gonna be a doozy, gimme about 30 minutes to type out.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: Well the Suspense is Killing me.

Heres my first thoughts.

Adavantage to Speed overall is your team by a small margin. All my Space Marines are Bullet Speed enough to react but not past bullet speed in combat speed. Karandras, Lucius, and M'Shen can hang with the best of your team in Speed.

Durability goes to my team by a fair margin thanks to Power Armour. Other than Vincent in Chaos forms my guys have Extreme Physical Durability, Anti Tank Armour, and Minor Healing Factors. Burias has a Insane Healing Factor and Karandras has no Physical body. M'Shen being the only average Durability here.

Weapons are near Even as Yours have cut or shot though layers of steel. Mine can cut through on the Molecule level.

Magic vs Tech/warp is a game changer. My guys have each unique Gear or abilities related to Tech and the Warp. Yours have Magic Materia to cast around for different combos.

Flight goes to your team. I have 1 Flyer to your seeming 4.

Finaly the skill factor. Some of my guys been at this for 10K years. Ahriman, Lucius, Karandras, Burias, Marduk, and Kharn. M'shen has maybe 30=40 years as a Human Lifespan Assassin. Huron has over 1000 years. So experiance and skill go to me in spades.

Let the games begin.

Sephiroth:

Prepare yourself, this is the full list of Sephiroth's abilities. Including the ones I don't normally bring up in debates...

Vincent Valentine:

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· Weapons: Cerberus, Death Penalty

· Armor: Standard Armor, Mystile (Increases user's defense)

· Accessories: Tetra Elemental (Absorbs all elemental based attacks)

· Materia: Shield, Barrier, Lightning, Ice, Heal, Restore

· Vehicles: Hoverboard

Abilities:

In his normal form

• Superhuman Strength - Vincent can leap vast distances, and throw people and machinery several meters effortlessly.
• Superhuman Durability - Vincent's durability is sufficient enough to survive energy blasts, and tank bullets with little to no harm. Capable of blocking a ranged slash attack from Weiss with his unarmored hand.
• Superhuman Reflexes/Speed - Vincent is capable of deflecting gunfire from multiple sources with his hand. He is also capable of easily dodging gunfire from near point blank range.
• Skilled Acrobat - Vincent's acrobatics are one of his most notable skills in combat. It makes him hard to predict, hard to hit, and is in general part of his character.
• Immortality - Vincent doesn't age, and gets stronger as he ages, gaining new metamorphosis's.
• Regeneration - Vincent is a natural regenerator as a result of the experiments performed on him.
• Genius Intelligence - Vincent is a former member of the Turks, and is over 60 years old (though he's spent most of it sleeping). As a result, he is extremely wise, and very knowledgeable. He has shown to be able to understand most of the scientific and technological discussions thrown his way, and had more than just a mild understanding on how most things worked.
• Superb Marksman - Vincent has zero issues tagging people who are regularly considered to be bullet timers+ in reaction time. Over and above this a single shot from Vincent is sufficient enough to blast through steel airships.

In Galiant Beast Form:

• Enhanced Strength - Capable of ripping through steal constructs with little to no effort.
• Enhanced Durability - Impervious to gun fire, and in general increases his durability.
• Enhanced Regeneration - Upgrades his regeneration to a more noticeable level.
• Fire Blasts - Capable of projecting powerful Fire Blasts at will.

In Chaos Form:

• Enhanced Strength - Capable of throwing a canon so hard it impales through a person who is in general bullet proof. Break through Omega Weapon and enter it's body, and bypass it's shields (Shields in the game so far have proven to make somebody pretty much indestructible).
• Enhanced Durability - Tanking strikes from the Omega Weapon, more than strong enough to take shots from bullets and weapons from soldiers without sustaining any harm.
• Enhanced Speed - Capable of flying and moving at speeds faster than the eye can perceive.
• Phasing - Capable of allowing lightning fast strikes to phase through him.
• Flight/Levitation - Chaos almost never stands, he hovers a foot above the ground.

Cloud Strife:

Zack Fair

Kadaj

Weiss the Immaculate Emperor

Nero the Sable

Genesis Rhapsodos

Summons:

These are the summons whom you actually have to fight and defeat in Crisis Core, and they fight in Advent Children. I won't use the others because there is nothing to suggest that you can do more than summon them for a one shot attack.

Bahamut:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd79MizrrIQ

Bahamut Fury:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8VwaEv3z1M&feature=relmfu

Bahamut SIN:

Pt1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeyyJSmLW3w

Pt2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYmlJoCk7uU

Shadow Creeps Feats:

• Strength - Capable of tossing human beings several meters with little effort
• Durability - Took blows from Tifa without being KO'd, also tanked a hit from a fire hydrant cap and the extremely pressurized water that follows with only being knocked over temporarily
• Black Mist - Intangibility and short ranged teleportation via transforming into black mist
• Speed - Capable of keeping up with a speeding Fenrir

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: Boy oh boy. Thats a list of feats.

How do you do the Spoiler anyway? As long as I been here I not a clue.

@CadenceV2: In the top right corner of the post box, hit the "More" button, it is the one labeled "Spoiler Block" Just select what you want to put in it, and hit the Spoiler Block button and it'll put it into the spoiler block. If you need me to source feats just ask. I'll source some of the less popular characters when we start actually debating. I'm sure you'll have a hard time finding Nero and Weiss feats for sure, as they are hard to find in general if you don't know which cut scenes to look for.

I think the hardest thing for you to contend with is the Soul and Energy absorption from Genesis, Nero, Weiss, and Sephiroth....but we'll see.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: It take to Long tonight to post My scans but I will be back tommorow to debate.

@Floopay:

Huron Blackheart

Karandras

Lucius

M'shen

Marduk

Burias

Kharn

Ahriman

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- Bolt Pistol : Grenade Luncher Rocket Bullets (Bolts) Pistol

- Inferno Bolts : Rune carved Bolts that cause more damage to Armour

- Black Staff : A Potent Force Weapons that can Ren Souls from Bodies during physical attack, allows mutiple power active at one time, and can act as a Power Weapon

- Power Armour : Tank level Armour

- Book of Magnus : Allows for the most powerful and complex of Sorcerory

- Psyker : One of the most powerful Psykers in the Galaxy

- SM Physology : Surperhuman Strength (5 tons), Durability (Steel like Muscle and Bones), Enhance Senses, Immunity to Poisons, Minor Healing Factor, Special Organs

- Sorceroy : include a wide list of Spells and Psy Powers

- Precog : Ahriman was first and formost a powerful Precognition psyker and uses it in battle.

- Disk of Tzeentch : Ahriman can summon a Daemon Stead for flight

- Mark of Tzeentch : A Powerful Mark granting complete ease of use of Psy Powers and Barrier that surpasses any Iron Halo.

Done!!! You make the First Move or should I?

@CadenceV2: I still need to educate you a bit more on some of the less used characters. Weiss, Nero, Genesis, and a little more on Zack. Then I'll open if you'd like.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: I know about Genesis and Zack!!! I watch the Gamplay on Youtube! I seen the Cut scenes!

@Floopay: Ill Educate you on SPACE MEHREENS!!!

Ultramarines vs the worst Chaos Marines ever.... Things to notice is Bolter Speed and how easy they can penetrate Power Armour.

Space Marines vs Daemon Princes

SMs surviving Planet Fall and Ship Crash as well force rotating a cannon.

SMs vs eldar Banshess, Warp Spider Exarch, and Farseer.

Space Marine Armour and Organ List.

@CadenceV2:

Tsviets: The Tsviets were a continuation of Project G, the same Project that produced Genesis.

The Background on Nero and Weiss

Some more on Weiss:

Some more on Nero

Some more on Genesis Rhapsodos

Zack Fair

@CadenceV2:

More for Zack: Watch the first 6 minutes or so, he takes on a platoon of SOLDIER members with no weapon... This is especially important to watch for his dodging speed.

EDIT: Whoops, forgot to add one more thing!

IFRIT

If you watch the whole thing you'll notice they make more than a few more inconsistencies, but nothing major. However, many good feats for Cloud/Zack in that anime short.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Soul_Rebel said:

@Floopay: Wait, where are Weiss and Nero from, i don't remember much about them from the main game.

Zack Fair, Cloud, Sephiroth, and Vincent are from the main game.

Zack, and Genesis are from Crisis Core.

Kadaj is from Advent Children.

Weiss and Nero are from Final Fantasy 7, Dirge of Cerberus.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: The more this display of Abilities the more it seems we have a near tie of who hits who first with Instant win :)

@CadenceV2 said:

@Floopay: The more this display of Abilities the more it seems we have a near tie of who hits who first with Instant win :)

I was starting to think the same thing, my team might have an advantage with those ribbons and some of that materia though.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: Maybe but I have Adavantages in summoning World full of Daemons and Soul Devouring attacks in Marduk, Kharn, Ahriman, as well Time slows in Huron and Ahriman.

Just way too much power to considered.

@CadenceV2: We both have Soul Devouring attacks. You may have more soul devouring attacks, but mine has massive AoE, which is sort of a plus....and it consumes objects, souls, and entire people.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: Yet some of my guys have no Souls to devoure. Ahriman, Kharn, and Lucius Souls are with there chaos God. Karandras Souls is bound to the Armours Matrix with the rest, a fact that it cant be soul suked easy as many Slaanesh Daemons do that to Eldar automaticly and Karandras (as any Exarch) souls are safe thanks to the Matrix. The Burias Souls is half in the warp and half in the real along with the Daemon.

So really only Huron (debatable as he is surrounded by many Soul Devouring allies who like to have his position) may have a weakness yet the Haymadra could protect him. M'Shen be a gonner, as would maybe Marduk unless he Soul Projected and fought back on his terms.

@Floopay: I truly think theres too much to debate with here.

We should Remake this ith 3 on 3.....

@CadenceV2: Honestly, I was saving the Soul Devouring for your Daemon's that I was pretty certain you'd summon.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@CadenceV2 said:

@Floopay: I truly think theres too much to debate with here.

We should Remake this ith 3 on 3.....

Well, lets try first. I'm looking forward to it.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Alright but you start it I made the thread :P

Some Vids of a Chaos Lords power. Ahriman be alot like this as would Marduk.

4 SMs vs a World invaded by Orks!

Commander Titus with Iron Halo and Power Armour survives the fall and Explosian after beating the Daemon Prince.

Marduk, Ahriman, Huron, and Lucius have the Rechargable Iron Halo like shields. Well Huron has a Luck factor that plays in it as well a Iron Halo.

epic encounter :)

@CadenceV2:

Lets do this thing! Took me forever to find this video btw, it's the battle between Cloud and Sephiroth from Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children Complete. This has the extra scene where Cloud still fights even after being stabbed half to death...

My opening tactic.

• As I normally start each battle. Sephiroth will change the weather to create a storm. And rain darkness over the battlefield
• While he's doing this, Kadaj will summon swarms of shadow creeps, and Genesis will summon Ifrit and Bahamut.
• While they are doing that, the remaining party members will be buffing my party with Wall (those who don't have it), Regen (via Restore and Regen materia), Resist and (which will grant huge resistance against all status effects, this is cast via Heal materia.).

The Charge

• Once this is complete, Vincent will take his hoverboard to the sky, and start an aerial charge from above with Sephiroth, Nero, and Genesis.
• Sephiroth will rain darkness across the battle field, and Nero will extend his darkness as far as possible.
• Weiss will charge at full speed (which is pretty dang fast as you saw...), Cloud, Kadaj, and Zack will charge in on their motorcycles.
• I assume you will have your summons up at this point. Genesis will rain swarms of Firaga blasts down on your summons, while Sephiroth collapses the battlefield down around everything. Vincent will be laying heavy gunfire and various magics around across the battlefield (on your team and your summons), and Nero will be absorbing as many souls from your daemons as he can possibly handle, while simultaneously laying on heavy gunfire with all four of his weapons. Between these tactics he will be launching his dark orbs down to cause some extra havoc.
• Cloud, Zack, and Kadaj will arrive first on their bikes, that's fine, it's what I accounted for. They will be using their materia and maneuvering around as much as possible to take down any and all summons, and keep your guys off guard. Remember, my summons will also be there, and they'll be a heck of a thing to ignore.
• I'm guessing during this phase, your team will probably want to take down Ifrit or Bahamut, otherwise you'll have a lot to deal with and this would be game. Once Bahamut goes down, Bahamut Fury will go up.

The Battle!

• Now my team and yours should be ready to face each other!
• Sephiroth will rain darkness again, and Nero will send his wisps out and extend his darkness as far as possible. Anyone on your team who is weak to telepathy should be momentarily impaired by just being touched form his darkness, I think your team is strong enough to overcome this in a few passing moments though. Nero will also create his clones, so there will be 3 of him on the battlefield with 4 guns each. The main version of him will be shooting out dark orbs on occasion, and they should all be teleporting around. Whenever he is down to a single form, he will take a heavy teleportation/hide in the darkness tactic until he can create his clones again. Vincent will be laying heavy gunfire down on your team. Now you have tank level armor, so he shouldn't be able to fully pierce it unless he hits a soft spot. I do think, however, that he will definitely wreak more than a little havoc on your armor and it's functions the longer he keeps up his shots. Genesis will empower his blade, and lay on waves of novas, fire blasts, and melee strikes. You may be immune to the fire itself, but as seen in Advent Children, and in the secret ending of Crisis Core, these things give out one heck of a concussive blast after they go off, this should be more than capable of throwing your team off.
• Cloud, and Zack will stay on their bikes for as long as possible, dodging gunfire, laying on some materia blasts, and attempting to get close enough for a strike. Eventually, they are gonna either be taken off their bikes, or they will have to get off to close in. Both are verified Bullet Timers against multiple forces. Once they are off their bikes, Sephiroth will come in and join the melee battle.
• Kadaj will get off his bike. He is skilled at disarming, a feat I could use. His black mist ability will also give him more than a little bit of an edge when evading attacks from your team.
• Weiss will join the battle by now. He's going to be one of the hardest ones for your team to deal with! He will instantly split into 3. Each one as powerful as he himself. His shockwaves alone should be enough to force your characters to fight melee and abandon all range, save for maybe your magic users.
• Once Weiss is in, I'm thinking Bahamut Fury will be taken care of. So here comes the biggun! Bahamut SIN! He will be assigned to taking out whoever isn't in melee combat, and if that's not applicable, my team will use him to stop anyone from retreating from the battle field.

The Extended Battle

• As already stated, the longer the battle goes on, the more worn your armor is going to get from Vincent. However, once Vincent becomes threatened by your team, or once your team has too many people in melee (3 Weisses, 3 Neroes, Genesis, Kadaj, Cloud, Zack, and Sephiroth), Vincent will have no choice but to go Chaos form. Death Penalty is magnitudes more powerful than Cerberus, especially in the hands of Chaos.
• Numbers are my biggest advantage, combined with the immense speed and reflexes my team has. Your team probably has me in durability and strength though, but I can still cut things off, and regenerate and restore my team members. As well as cure poisons and status effects. As well as some characters with immunities to them.
• However, your biggest issue will be dealing with the copious amounts of limit breaks that will occur as the battle goes on. Whether it's Cloud's beams, ridiculous slashes, and Omni-Slash, Zack's digital mind wave, or Genesis using Apocalypse, it's going to be a problem.

Team Breakdowns:

Now then, it seems like the Marines (with the exception of your stealth person, take a similar approach to what my guys generally do, and that's head on combat. As much as I'd like to say otherwise, my team will probably take a similar approach, though as trained as they are, they are more than capable espionage and stealth, I will go by what seems in character.

My biggest advantages are speed/reflexes, which from what I've seen are more than a little above your teams, numbers (as two members of my team can multiply themselves, I have summons, and those shadow creeps), and almost complete battlefield control. I also have haste materia, which allows the control of time for oneself, this should give me what I need to counter time magic. Flight is another big advantage I have, as I have four flyers, and one levitator, as well as someone who can mist around, and a couple teleporters. To me I have the maneuverability advantage, especially with the motorcycles, hover boards, and self sustained flying.

I think our teams are tied in training. Both teams seem to have everyone one the level of "master" at what they do. Fire power is about the same for both teams as well, but our strengths are in different areas in this capacity.

Your team has the durability advantage, I wont' deny that. I think though striking power is the same, your team has this in strength (with the exception of Chaos form Vincent, and Sephiroth). Though I shouldn't have to say it, your team has this in experience. Our training is the same, and my team obviously is very well versed at what they do, and they have gone up against a huge variety opponents (including many with similar powers to yours), and has a huge variety of skills they've played around with. However, none of that really can compare to the difference of a decade of experience or more, against a few centuries or in some cases millenia of experience. I just wanna make sure you know that I acknowledge this.

Darkness and Cover: I don't know how Power Suits work as far as sensors are concerned. I believe you have them, as a couple members on your team are capable of concealing themselves against sensors. So my use of darkness is to moreso force your team to rely on their sensors instead of their eyes, which is going to be a disadvantage when dealing with people who move at the speeds my team moves. However, I do not think this is an end all disadvantage, just to clarify.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: .............. Oh its on Floopay, its on...............

My opening tactic.

• As any opener with Ahriman he will begin the Ward Traps that will open a Warp Rift.
• Marduk will use his Soul Projection to sour high and Target your guys from the get go.

The Wait

• My guys knowing exactly where you are will use the collected Millenium of Warfare knowledge to dig in and propel any attack from a secure location. With Ahrimans Wards and and Karandras Shadow Ability I should have Defense from any fatal blows.

The Battle!

• Epic battle... at first. Then a Sluaghter for me.
• I can wait here till my Wards for summoning kick in. Then with Marduk added to it I can begin the Summoning of Endless Daemons.
• Once the Warp Rift opens I will push foward among the masses of Chaos Daemons and target you.

The Extended Battle

• As the battle goes on my guys will remain unfatigue and more importantly more conected with the warp. Proven fact from many many pages of 40K I have that more Chaos Gods take notice and pour more power to the followers like Kharn, Lucius, Ahriman, Huron, and Marduk. I will only increase in power and resources.
• Numbers are my BIGGEST Advantage. As shown Daemons cannot be stopped and with Ahrimans help overcome the World. I have Daemons and Greater Daemons of Khorn, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh!!!
• My Advantage will be Cannon Fodder and Greater Daemons leading there power to mine. Limit Breaks galore is no more damaging than Titans unleashing Cirt Destroying attacks that my Daemons will simply come back from.

Team Breakdowns:

I have little to add. Haste will keep up with Warp Time. You have general faster Reflexes and Speed. I have durability. We both have unique abailities to bring to the table.I think the biggest adavantage here for me is Lesser Daemons and Greater Daemons I can summon anywhere.

Marduk willingly Summons Blood Letters (Sacred number 8 of Khorn) from 8 dead comrads. Second one is Slaanesh taking a personal intrest and has him spew a pink mist that summons infinit Daemonnets!

Hers a short story of Ahriman setting up Warp Rift Ward Traps that ended up taking out a world and 300 Space Marines.

This is a Blood Thirsters Armour Alone. It kills a armies worth with a Blood storm Attack (rips your blood from you body in a whirl wind of Gore) and then Cuts through Dimensions.

Here the Same Blood Thirster this armour belongs to called Heart of the Blood fights a Daemon Prince, Wrecks a couple Miles worth of Fortess Castle Mountain, and then over a few thousand Space Marine Army with Daemon Engines! One BT.

Im summoning at least 1 greater daemon and each Greater Daemon is a Bahamut in itself.

All the Common Lesser and 4 Greater Daemons (Blood Thirster, Lord of Change, Great Unclean One, Keeper of Secrets) that will be more than a match for your whole team as well.

Blood Thirsters are Huge beast and kill Avatars of Khain (Walking Lava Gods of Murder and War) more often than not. A Great Unlcean One just killing SMs with ease. Then the ease of Summoning through warp rufts with Chaos Lords. I have 4 on my team and Ahriman (the Sorceror) is the best of them at Summoning.

Darkness and Cover:

I to have Darkness from Karandras who can move about the battlefield relitivly easy. Also you are coreect in SMs being uneffected by Darkness all together as 2 Organs (the Occulobe and Lymans Ear) allow sight in low light as clear as day and filter out specific sounds with increaseHearing. Huron Eye sensore is also use to this. As is Karandras who fights in darkness. Burias Daemon Sight is unaffected. Marduk, Kharn, and Ahriman Helms have Prey Sight (for complete darkness), M'shen Eye Implants also allow sight in blackness. Also Cover works for me as my guys make regular use of it and have weapons or abilities that ignore Cover.

@CadenceV2:

I can't start a proper rebuttal until I have a few questions answered.

• Where exactly are Daemons summoned from. Is it an afterlife, directly from the warp, or how does that work. Also, are the Wards and rifts made from warp energy?
• What are the lesser daemons defense against direct soul attacks. Because in one of your original videos a horde of guys got owned by a single soul rending attack, is it safe to assume less daemons would have a similar weakness?

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay said:

@CadenceV2:

I can't start a proper rebuttal until I have a few questions answered.

• Where exactly are Daemons summoned from. Is it an afterlife, directly from the warp, or how does that work. Also, are the Wards and rifts made from warp energy?
• What are the lesser daemons defense against direct soul attacks. Because in one of your original videos a horde of guys got owned by a single soul rending attack, is it safe to assume less daemons would have a similar weakness?

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Daemons are summon from the warp which is a combination of Afterlife, Psychic Energy, and Opposit of the Universe. Its many things wrapped into one.

The Warp is a copy of the Physical Universe. Its the otherside o the same coin. However where th universe has Physics the warp is basicaly Imagination powered. Its the source of all energy and when you die your soul goes there fully but again everyone already kinda exist in the warp along with the physical unierse.

Basic Descriptions of Greater and Lesser Daemons.

This is a great definition of a Daemon. There a esence of the power of their Chaos God with a hint of personality. Like a Machine but instead of metal and circuits Daemons are made of Energy turned Flesh.

@Floopay: Also Ahrimans Wards can be anything like Sand made into sybols, or Blood Rituals, or Sacrifices, or Stone Carvings. It takes many forms but all backed by his Power to open. Then its the daemon rush that can only be closed by Psykers or Magic design to close it. Unless its a Warp Gate built then that can be destroyed.

Many many examples but Ahriman seems to describe using the Making of Wards via Symbol. Then only a Psyker or follow up Magic design to close the Rift is needed.

@CadenceV2:

From the sounds of it, those Wards would be giant batteries for Sephiroth, which would increase his power level by a lot....I mean A LOT. And I don't mean just a little bit, those wards will be like throwing Quasar against a giant entity composed of pure energy. At some point your just asking for trouble...

Nero could also sap energy directly from those as well.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: He could but will it be enough at that point?

Ass seen here it takes Minuets for a World to be overun. Also every Greater Daemon can Summon more from his own power with Dimension Ripping Attacks!

As I shown I the Heart of the Blood (Blood Thirster) can rend Time and space with his Sword. No one on Final Fanatsy ever face that kind of attacks or power. Shield or Barrier? I dont see any attack of Dimension ripping being stopped.

So if ya could stop the wards I already have a Worlds worth of Army with additional Summoners in Greater Daemons.

Also...

Ahriman Soul Rips from the Warp.

Marduk has the same power.

I can sit back in a base with these 2 alone and pick off half your team while the Lesser Daemons act cannon fodder and Greater Daemons (who surpass in power anyone on my team) fight ya. Your fighting not only my team but equally powerful 2 Greater Daemons. (I use 2 because it seems common for 2 Greater Daemons at a time for World level destruction, sometimes its Daemon Princes and Heralds leading the charge)

Also Attacks like these from Ahriman and Marduk will Instant kill half of your team who have no defense against it really.

@CadenceV2:

I'm just saying that in a matter of moments Sephiroth would go from being already a pretty big threat, to a planet level threat. The more portals you open to the warp, the more Sephiroth should be able to feed off that energy, and the more powerful he'll become. It's already been proven he can become powerful enough to overtake an entire planet.

As far as lesser daemons go, they'll be yummy food for Nero.

The fact is, your team will have to either close those wards, or deal with a character with power beyond their imagination, because Sephiroth can, and will handle that much power and become something of a god.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: Hoenstly Sephiroth wont get powerful for long. The more power he has the more he stands out in the warp. Perfect for his soul to be ripped out and duelled by Ahriman in the Warp. Ahriman currently is as powerful as his Primarch Magnus the Red and makes him a Planet Level Threat from the get go.

Also all of the magical Power of Seph means nothing to Kharn whos immune to any magical attack.

Could Teleport him or a Blood Thirster (Who also have Blessings of the Blood God) to Seph and Bamsky hes ended.

@CadenceV2:

Most of Sephiroth's power doesn't come from magic, it's all raw physical power.

Sephiroth is in full control of his own soul, being capable of Astral Projection, and creating an entire disease within the lifestream while he was dead, a disease that plagued anyone who thought for even a moment they were going to die, and continued to kill them the more hope they lost. I'm just saying. Also, Nero will be plaguing your entire army, as they are caught within his darkness, meaning those who aren't absorbed better have some good telepathic resistance, or they will be doomed to being thrown into madness by coming into contact with Nero's darkness.

I'm just saying, pulling Sephiroth out of his body and into the Warp could prove more devastating than helpful.

Finally, shield materia does, in fact, have evidence of resistance against dimensional shift and attacks. Notice when Nero takes Shelke into the darkness, her shield protects her from being harmed by the attack, and then protects her from being fully absorbed into the darkness.

To be honest, as powerful as Sephiroth is, Weiss is going to be a rough one to deal with in melee combat. Seeing as he is fast enough to block a beam of light, and Chaos form Vincent who is about the same. Chaos also is the collector of souls and the harbinger of death. Death Penalty becomes increasingly more powerful the more corrupt souls he kills with it. I'm thinking those Daemons are slowly but surely going to be causing more harm than help to your team.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: Well in that case I might lose handily. You have on your team 3 Planet killers in Sephiroth and Vincent, and sin Bahamut comapred to Ahriman who is my 1 and only.

Ill concede this as you have more powerful characters than what I brought. If I had God Emperor of Mankind and Primarchs I could win but Standard Marines fail in this clash of Powers.

@CadenceV2:

Well, if your team is smart, which they are. They will use their summons sparingly...and not amplify my team to ridiculous proportions. With the Warp fully open, my strongest characters will feed, and feed off of it. However, if you summon something, rather than open the warp, then my team cannot feed eternally. Additionally, Nero doesn't get more powerful as he consumes souls, and Sephiroth takes a lot before he gets to any real level of super power, and Vincent requires the death of a corrupt soul to amplify his weapon's damage.

So my point is, Ahriman can summon an army, but in order to do so he has to put in the risk to power up my team significantly and slowly but surely, as you create more gateways and rifts to the warp, exponentially. However, summoning a few greater demons without creating full access to the warp, is what you will have to rely on. :P

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay: I cant use the warp willing. Once a warp Rift opens... thats it. Reason why Chaos Marines use Daemons sparingly if at all. Also Im still vastly underpowered here.

@CadenceV2 said:

@Floopay: I cant use the warp willing. Once a warp Rift opens... thats it. Reason why Chaos Marines use Daemons sparingly if at all. Also Im still vastly underpowered here.

Alright, that's fair. I hate to exploit Sephiroth's ability to harvest soul energy, but that's sort of what he does, so...in character he would turn those things into a giant feast.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay