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#1 Edited by Mahahus (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay, the story is simple: Flash runs so fast some kind of dimensional rift happens and he lands in front of a raging Hulk; Who just so happened to be possessed by Cyttorak. Flash thinks Hulk is a bad guy, fight starts between the two in New York. Hulk doesn't have his own natural healing factor and ignore anything that may contradict with each other, its just a battle question.

vs

Please go see SashScott on deviantArt, the maker of that Juggerhulk.

#2 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh god.

#3 Posted by Joygirl (18441 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash vs. normal Juggernaut is a lengthy debate with no clear winner. Juggerhulk should have this.

#4 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Which Flash is this?

#5 Posted by Mahahus (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Original Flash, should've clarified.

#6 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

You mean Pre-Speed Force Barry??? That would make this a SPITE thread.

#7 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk will never hit Flash, so this is a stalemate.

#8 Posted by royale_with_cheese (747 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk would actually make a pretty crappy Juggernaut, seeing as how all he wants is to be left alone and all.

#9 Posted by silverlord90 (221 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

Hulk will never hit Flash, so this is a stalemate.

Flash would never hurt Hulk

#10 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

Hulk will never hit Flash, so this is a stalemate.
#11 Posted by Mahahus (21 posts) - - Show Bio

STALEMATE

#12 Posted by TheBatman586 (6316 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash would win, BFR was not ruled out.

#13 Edited by Onemoreposter (3919 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash can't vibrate into his head and remove his brain? Why not?

I say flash takes it.

Edit: Also if morals are on Barry isn't above killing humans, but most of the JLA (Batman and Superman included) aren't above killing "monsters" who I think in a random encounter with no previous knowledge of one and other, Hulk would qualify as.

#14 Posted by DrinkUrPruneJuice77 (1598 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know how Flash could hurt him though. But I also see no way Juggerhulk would even be able to touch Flash... I'll give it to Flash.

#15 Posted by Dflash29 (91 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash wins this

#16 Posted by iamthewolf88 (346 posts) - - Show Bio

probably stalemate

#17 Posted by Joygirl (18441 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude. The forcefield saps momentum... without speed force to get it back Flash will suddenly find that he's just a guy, and this fight will become "Juggerhulk vs. Hey it's that guy whoops he's dead".

#18 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (2174 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate.

#19 Posted by Magneto14 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggerhulk would destroy Flash in my opinion...

#20 Posted by spiderbuck (2441 posts) - - Show Bio

@Magneto14 said:

Juggerhulk would destroy Flash in my opinion...

#21 Posted by iamthewolf88 (346 posts) - - Show Bio

@Magneto14 said:

Juggerhulk would destroy Flash in my opinion...

if he could ever hit him.

#22 Posted by Magneto14 (53 posts) - - Show Bio

@iamthewolf88 said:

@Magneto14 said:

Juggerhulk would destroy Flash in my opinion...

if he could ever hit him.

A single hit from Juggerhulk would finish Flash off, it would be difficult for Juggerhulk to hit Flash, but like I said, all it would take would be a single hit. Besides, what could Flash possibly do to Juggerhulk anyway?

#23 Edited by Mattersuit (4270 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate

JuggerHulk can't hit Flash, Flash can't hurt JuggerHulk.

#24 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@Magneto14 said:

@iamthewolf88 said:

@Magneto14 said:

Juggerhulk would destroy Flash in my opinion...

if he could ever hit him.

A single hit from Juggerhulk would finish Flash off, it would be difficult for Juggerhulk to hit Flash, but like I said, all it would take would be a single hit. Besides, what could Flash possibly do to Juggerhulk anyway?

He will never hit Flash. Flash can bfr him to speed force.

#25 Posted by nickthedevil (11543 posts) - - Show Bio

^^^

#26 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Normal Hulk can beat Flash 6-7/10. JuggerHulk would destroy him, imo.

#27 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

Hulk will never hit Flash, so this is a stalemate.
#28 Posted by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

Normal Hulk can beat Flash 6-7/10. JuggerHulk would destroy him, imo.

Normal Hulk would beat Flash 0/10.

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#29 Posted by Strider92 (16074 posts) - - Show Bio

With BFR Flash wins.

Without BFR its stalemate as JuggerHulk can't hit Flash and Flash can't really hurt JuggerHulk.

#30 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Incorrect. Flash has a horrible track record versus bricks.

#31 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@CitizenBane: Incorrect. Flash has a horrible track record versus bricks.

Spider-man and Wolverine have given hard time to hulk. You want me to believe Hulk can tag Flash?

#32 Posted by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@CitizenBane: Incorrect. Flash has a horrible track record versus bricks.

Such as? Hulk struggles to tag street levelers, you expect me to believe he can lay a finger on Flash?

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#33 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa & CitizenBane: Wally has had a hard time/been KO'd by Konvict, Grodd and Mongul. He's also been tagged by street-levelers. And you expect me to believe that Hulk can't hit him, even once? Works both ways.

#34 Posted by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@RyuHayabusa & CitizenBane: Wally has had a hard time/been KO'd by Konvict, Grodd and Mongul. He's also been tagged by street-levelers. And you expect me to believe that Hulk can't hit him, even once? Works both ways.

Wally has also KO'd Grodd after beating him so badly that Grodd's jaw shattered, and he's beaten Mongul as well. As for the whole street levelers thing, I kind of covered that here, you can look into it if you want. Yes, I'm saying Hulk cannot hit him even once.

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#35 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby: Konvikt has only appeared in trinity comics(non-canon).

Name those street-level characters?

Deathstroke tagged him via anticipation. Something hulk isn't smart enough to do.

There are several reasons why his rouges can tag him.

#36 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, Wally has beaten Grodd, just as Hulk has beaten Wolverine that you mentioned. Wally beat Mongul AFTER he was KO'd and Mongul walked away. He's also had trouble with Girder, who's slower than Hulk. Flash only reacts at his highest levels when lives are on the line. His average is far below that and he gets tagged by most of his Rogues Gallery, who are streets. Flash WILL underestimate Hulk's speed and get KTFO. And how is Trinity non-canon?

#37 Posted by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

Yes, Wally has beaten Grodd, just as Hulk has beaten Wolverine that you mentioned. Wally beat Mongul AFTER he was KO'd and Mongul walked away. He's also had trouble with Girder, who's slower than Hulk. Flash only reacts at his highest levels when lives are on the line. His average is far below that and he gets tagged by most of his Rogues Gallery, who are streets. Flash WILL underestimate Hulk's speed and get KTFO. And how is Trinity non-canon?

No one said Hulk would not beat Wolverine, it's just that he struggles to tag Wolverine because he's not fast enough. Mongul was tagged by Flash a grand total of once, and that wasn't even because he was fast or Flash was slow -- Wally had fallen into the sewer and was still recovering when Mongul hit him. After that single hit, Flash easily beat Mongul, who couldn't even touch him.

He's also defeated Girder with ease in Rogue War (the exact issue was Flash #223).

No one said Flash constantly reacts at his highest levels, but the levels that he usually reacts at are still far above anything Hulk can react to. I mean, this is Hulk's track record against streets:

None of those people are as fast as Flash.

I'm tired of people bringing up his rogues' gallery being street levelers as proof. I linked you to a blog on the subject in the previous post, I suggest you read it. Flash's rogues don't tag him directly, almost all of them tag him because they have some way of affecting how fast he moves or his ability to hit them. Hulk has neither.

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#38 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: I did read your blog and it was pretty spot on. The problem is that Hulk DOES have the means to affect Flash in the same way that Mongul did. Flash fell because the ground gave way. Hulk can easily disrupt the ground with a foot stomp, same as Capt. Cold freezing it. Or he could thunderclap and knock Wally for a loop. Hulk didn't actually lose to any of those people you (selectively) posted scans of. He's connected with all of them, actually. Flash, on average, will get hit by Hulk.

#39 Edited by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@CitizenBane: I did read your blog and it was pretty spot on. The problem is that Hulk DOES have the means to affect Flash in the same way that Mongul did. Flash fell because the ground gave way. Hulk can easily disrupt the ground with a foot stomp, same as Capt. Cold freezing it. Or he could thunderclap and knock Wally for a loop. Hulk didn't actually lose to any of those people you (selectively) posted scans of. He's connected with all of them, actually. Flash, on average, will get hit by Hulk.

Flash fell because the ground gave way, but that was because that portion of the ground was already weak and there just happened to be an open section of the sewer system below it. I fail to see how a foot stomp is in any way similar to freezing the ground to remove Flash's traction. As for the thunderclap, did you see the scan with Songbird in it? I never claimed that Hulk lost to any of those people or that he couldn't eventually tag them, just that he struggled to tag a bunch of people who are all magnitudes slower than even Flash's average speeds. He's simply not fast enough, and on average, he's not touching Flash.

Edit: I just checked the issue, and Wally remarks that the ground gave way because there'd been an earthquake a while back that undermined its integrity. There you go.

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#40 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Yes, the ground gave way, which Hulk is perfectly capable of doing. His footstomp have caused miles of destruction: http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/88a531576a . He's bouced tanks in the air: http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/d1262b0fd7 . He's caused volcanoe to erupt and more. According to your blog, Flash is vulnerable to AoE attacks. Hulk is more than capable of causing these and knocking Flash off his feet or stunning him.

#41 Posted by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@CitizenBane: Yes, the ground gave way, which Hulk is perfectly capable of doing. His footstomp have caused miles of destruction: http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/88a531576a . He's bouced tanks in the air: http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/d1262b0fd7 . He's caused volcanoe to erupt and more. According to your blog, Flash is vulnerable to AoE attacks. Hulk is more than capable of causing these and knocking Flash off his feet or stunning him.

.........and my prior post says Hulk doesn't do any of those things faster than Flash can react to. Seriously, there's a scan there that says his movements aren't faster than sound, and Flash does move faster than sound even on average.

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#42 Edited by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@CitizenBane: Yes, the ground gave way, which Hulk is perfectly capable of doing. His footstomp have caused miles of destruction: http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/88a531576a . He's bouced tanks in the air: http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/d1262b0fd7 . He's caused volcanoe to erupt and more. According to your blog, Flash is vulnerable to AoE attacks. Hulk is more than capable of causing these and knocking Flash off his feet or stunning him.

Has hulk ever shown super-speed? If you still want to use abc logic then there is nothing stopping me from posting scans of spider-man and other street level characters making fun of hulk's speed.

#43 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (23118 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

Normal Hulk can beat Flash 6-7/10. JuggerHulk would destroy him, imo.

No The Flash stomps Hulk in a nanosecond... the Flash has Attosecond reaction and Imp the Hulk will be out before he even know's it.

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#44 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said: 


Do you mind if I steal the Songbird scan? I want to have it on file the next time I see someone pull that "Hulk hits hard and releases sonic booms and throws people far! He can move x-number of times faster than sound!"
#45 Posted by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@Silver2467: LOL. Sure.

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#46 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Hulk doesn't have to be faster than sound. Your entire blog post was about the fact that Flash's villains don't move as fast as he does. They tag him by affecting the environment around him, aka AoE attacks. I just proved Hulk can do those types of attacks and now you want to change it and say Hulk would need to be moving as fast as Flash to hit him?

#47 Edited by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby: Hulk can't generate cold field around him which slows down molecules. Hulk can cause destruction by stomping ground but it isn't going to stop flash. Post Hulk's speed feats if you want us to believe he can tag Wally.

#48 Posted by Saren (25269 posts) - - Show Bio

@80sBaby said:

@CitizenBane: Hulk doesn't have to be faster than sound. Your entire blog post was about the fact that Flash's villains don't move as fast as he does. They tag him by affecting the environment around him, aka AoE attacks. I just proved Hulk can do those types of attacks and now you want to change it and say Hulk would need to be moving as fast as Flash to hit him?

Those are not AoE attacks. AoE attacks would be like when Thor created a shockwave to knock Quicksilver off his feat. The attacks that Flash's villains use either compromise his ability to run, like Weather Wizard's heat waves and lightning bolts that affect the muscles in his legs or the Top's perception warping that skews his sense of direction, or affect his ability to tag them like Mirror Master and Abra Kadabra. You didn't prove that Hulk could achieve a similar effect, you just said Hulk smashes the ground like that's supposed to be the end of the story for Flash. You seem to think that the rogues each having a unique gimmick that gives Flash trouble translates into Hulk being able to tag him, since none of the rogues possess any superhuman speed. It's because they wouldn't be able to tag him otherwise that they possess those gimmicks. I never said Hulk would need to move as fast as Flash, I said he'd need to move faster than sound.......and he doesn't.

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#49 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: Thanks. What issue is that from by the way?
#50 Posted by 80sBaby (1343 posts) - - Show Bio

@RyuHayabusa: I would except I never claimed Hulk is FAST enough to tag Wally. Merely that he could using the moves I've already provided. Nice try, though.