Flash vs Superman and Martian Manhunter

@nickthedevil said:

@Stronger: LOL shows how much you know. he doesn't get inside the speed force, it's generated when he wishes it to be, and sometimes, it acts involuntarily.

Speed has plenty to do with flight.

She said it, not me. But i can post a scan of Flash running through space if it makes you feel better.

Superman wouldn't even reach one foot of ascension before he gets KTFO

Didn't know that,sorry:/.Anyway if you want us to continue our nice conversation,cut that arrogant shit of yours.

Explain this please

It would...

Explain again.

@BMEZY said:

@Stronger: It doesn't matter because Superman won't get into the air..he'd be frozen, remember?

What?//

LOL,WHEN DID FLASH GET THIS ABILITY?

Please do not just say things......

@Stronger: -__- I'm not being literal..when I say frozen, I mean that flash would have already stolen his speed, effectively turning him into a statue..I assumed you knew what I was talking about (everybody else usually does..well the one that actually knows about flash).

@Stronger: relax bud, the arrogance is unintentional, i assure you. Besides, I presumed that when someone came into a battle thread, they were aware of all characters.

Flash curbstomps so hard.

@Stronger said:

Didn't know that,sorry:/.Anyway if you want us to continue our nice conversation,cut that arrogant shit of yours.

Explain this please

It would...

Explain again.

No cursing, please.

@Deranged Midget said:

Depends on how far apart the combatants start off. Considering Wally has no morals in this fight, he could just as easily throw in a few dozen good hits before either Manhunter or Superman react.

I don't recall flash being as fast as superman so i might go with the team here as an overkill.

Flash, with ease.

Too many people are in love with what the Flash could possibly do as opposed to what has been shown on panel. One panel shows him taking on the antimonitorand another shows him getting punked by street level villains. When the Flash consistently takes out villains that the others have minus the low showings then talk to me

@TERMINATORXX said:

I don't recall flash being as fast as superman so i might go with the team here as an overkill.

You're right. He's not as fast as Superman. He's faster :)
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@TERMINATORXX said:

I don't recall flash being as fast as superman so i might go with the team here as an overkill.

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@Billy Batson: @nickthedevil: When will people learn to stop using Flashes in battles?

@NerdsFTW said:

@Billy Batson: @nickthedevil: When will people learn to stop using Flashes in battles?

When they actually read his stuff :P

@nickthedevil said:

When they actually read his stuff :P

Like that'll happen.

People NEED TO LEARN when someone has femtosecond reaction time, can attack at speeds that are faster than thought, throw 1,000 Infinite Mass Punches before even Dark Phoenix can react(one of which can put down Superman himself), travel in combat at 1 trillion times FTL, etc. Then they are probably overpowered.

People need to do research on characters before making incredibly one-sided battles.

@NerdsFTW said:

Flash curbstomps so hard.

@NerdsFTW said:

Flash curbstomps both of them

@BigCimmerian: Flash curbstomps both of them.

Team 2 too easily.

Please say that's a joke. Crisis of Conscience. Also Wally.

@malevolent1 said:

Martian Manhunter and Superman take this. Superman alone would be a major problem for Flash.

Not only is that pre-crisis and therefore non-canon. That version of supes is much more powerful than current, as well as that being Barry who is much slower than wally.

Morals Off Wally is a huge threat to the JLA itself. Then again, so is the Martian so the battle can go either way.

Wally

I concur.

J'onn can still just turn invisible which is how he beat Flash as Fernus (other than telepathy). The only way Wally could win at that point is if he could use speed steal but I'm dubious if he could speed steal something he can't see or if that would even be an adequate means of incapacitation given it might not stop shapeshifting.

Basically Flash only wins if he can knock them both out before J'onn has time to use his powers. I'm not really sure if that's the case.

@malevolent1 said:

Martian Manhunter and Superman take this. Superman alone would be a major problem for Flash.

Plz stop using that scan, it is false. Flash and Supes change costumes before that so Superman is the one trying to punch Barry, not the other way around.

Either one solos.

Martian Manhunter > Flash >>> Superman.

Martian Manhunter solos. If Superman fights strategically, he might also solo.

Lol just no. Get over this Flash is hatred. Wally kills them both, especially when you took away J'onns only real advantage.

Team stomps.

Wally Speed Steals and adds them too his statue collection.

Continental - Planetary:

Low: Luffy, Naruto, Ichigo, Aquaman

Mid: Madara, Yamamoto, Whitebeard, Magneto, Yusuke

High: Iceman, Sephiroth, Krillin

Herald/Stellar:

Low: Supergirl, Green Lanterns (when not amped), etc

Mid: Flash, Superman, Goku, Thor, WW, etc.

High: Silver Surfer, Sentry, Bills, etc.

Cosmic:

Low: Larfleeze

Mid: Genis-Vell

High: Thanos, Darkseid, Mr. Majestic, Superboy-Prime etc.

two Herald/stellar power ranked Aliens against one Meta human? why has this topic not been locked?

@chewbacca: why has this topic not been locked?

Because Flash wins. Tiers are pointless when a lower tier can exploit the weaknesses of higher tiers. And Flash has abilities that exploit MM/Supes vulnerabilities.

@amendment50 said:

@amendment50: No. They don't. Team gets beaten quickly and easily. We can start using scans and feats if you like.

@p00ty: For every scan of Flash claiming to have the damage output of a supernova there is a scan of him running headfirst into Deathstroke's sword. Flash has never been consistently shown to be significantly higher than any other high tier on the Justice League let alone two of its most powerful members working together.

Superman and Martian Manhunter.

@amendment50: The entire Deathstroke fight was PIS. No one on here takes it seriously.

Seriously, freaking GL fought him H2H, and then overpowered his ring with his own willpower somehow. It's nonsense.

@flashingsabre: He's not talking about that, he's talking about an instance where Wally back in the 90s had an issue with Deathstroke and ran into a brick wall.

@flashingsabre: Of course it's not representative of Flash's capabilities in general. That's kind of my point.

@thordinson said:

No I was talking about the instance where Flash runs into his sword. I had that showing in mind too though, lol, but Flash was much slower then.

@amendment50: oh nvm then.

Supernovas??? Nothing that extreme is needed to defeat these two. Let's keep it simple. Just a couple scans is all thats needed.

1) This is against Amazo who has the COMBINED POWERS of the JLA. So that includes Superman and MM. He doesn't over power Amazo or hit him with supernova force. He simply steals his super speed. And this is AFTER Amazo beat the $hit out of him. So if a beaten Flash can steal the super speed of someone with Supermans and MM powers COMBINED. Then there is no doubt he can steal their super speed separately. Without SUPER speed, Superman and MM have no chance whatsoever.

2) If Flash wanted he could steal more than just their super speed. He could steal all their speed and leave them unable to move. Regardless, of what option he chooses, one simple move defeats Supes/MM

Flash

No telepathy? I don't see how Flash loses this then.