Flash VS Silver Surfer

Fair enough.

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One time is considered PIS on the vine.

@jagernutt: I'm a long-time Viner so I'm well aware of that, and in some cases, a one-time showing isn't always PIS.

Anyway, stealing speed has been done more than once. It's a valid tactic here.

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And it begins

SS

@heaven_sings7: Also with this Zoom.

Helpful: DC's latest release has it that Wally doesn't even need to build up speed for relativistic attacks. He can fire out massive strikes at will.

That was him holding back and trying not to kill Wonder Woman. I suppose he could have simply vaporized her with a hundred of those rather than just KO her.

@saren: At half the speed of light, the relativistic mass of Flash's foot is increased by 15%, that's a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery small moon... DC writers shoud definitely stop trying to quantify feats and using physics they don't understand.

some people don't realize this is h2h in the OP...............

anyways flash takes it

People are actually debating powers in a hand to hand battle...It's hand to hand in which speed steal is allowed... If they are both allowed to use their powers to the fullest of their abilities then surfer wins but in this particular set up,, Wally wins... This isn't a good set up at all in my opinion.

@saren: @newecho: Question, wouldn't flash break his hands punching surfer? Can't SS withstand black holes and stars? Also Hasn't flash been tagged by much slower beings like Deathstroke and Wonder Woman?

Surfer. Flash can't do anything BRB can't and Surfer took him out hand 2 hand.

@heatblaze123: no he wouldn't break his hand,, wally has hit more durable characters than surfer. The problem is surfer isn't really allowed to use his advantages in this fight since its only hand to hand. The op set it up for flash. Flash is allowed to use his biggest advantage ie the speed steal.. Surfer wouldn't have any problems hitting wally normally but limiting his power nerfed those chances in my opinion. .

Who for example?

@heatblaze123 said:

withstanding black holes and stars don't necessarily translate to withstanding to physical attacks. also slade used prediction rather than outright take flash and I wouldn't say wonder woman is slow either

@heatblaze123: Well, superman, antimonitor, darkseid, green lanterns and many other's.. The problem in this fight isn't speed as surfer would be able to hit him, its that surfer can't use any of his blasts or his astral plane stuff. He literally has no advantage in this particular set up.. I would argue surfer beats wally in almost every situation but not this one..

I have never seen him punch superman or darkseid. Plus GL don't even have the same level of durability.

@masterkungfu: Withstanding a black hole requires a huge amount of durability.

You basically set up for the Flash to win this fight and it's sad. No flight or power cosmic for Surfer. He'd probably stay away from this fight in the comics because he's not an idiot.

@heatblaze123: he can punch anything,,, The speed force protects him... You really have to look for the feats in which he punches anything and breaks something.. They are out there with barry at least but that's mostly when he is learning or something is wrong with the speed force.... Normally I would say that surfer could do something to the speed force, but he can't in this scenario....

@heatblaze123: yes but not physical durability though

@newecho: Obviously not true since he got stabbed and injured by other opponents and uses the speed force to heal from it.

@heatblaze123: What are you talking about??? I don't understand what your argument... Wally getting stabbed has nothing to do with him punching someone....

@newecho: ''The speed force protects him'', did it protect him from getting stabbed?

@heatblaze123: The Speed Force aura protects speedsters from breaking their bones when punching people (due to extreme force) and also protects them from friction while running.

It doesn't protect them from all forms of damage as a whole but it does offer resistance from the things I've just mentioned.

Ah, I see. well I stumped. Not sure if Infinite Mass Punch can beat silver surfer in one hit.

Wally 10/10

@heatblaze123: The imp won't necessarily beat him in one time,, but surfer can't do anything to not allow it to keep happening to him since he cant use his powers...This fight is set up for wally to win...

Well, Flash wins then.

Bloodlusted surfer........yeah wally stands no chance

That's the beauty of comic book writing, using physics they don't understand.

@newecho: @leo-343: scan of him using more than one IMP in a whole fight?

@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2: you do know this is a hand to hand fight in which surfer can't use any of his powers right?

Anti-Monitor.

Flash also withstood a black hole though.

EDIT: Didn't see the rest of the conversation, my bad.

@artyom: I already told him that lol,,, he understands that this fight was set up for wally to win...

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Yeah I got it.

@heatblaze123: Yeah, I didn't see that until after I posted those. My bad.

@newecho: and? Surfer easily tanked black hole , black hole= infinite mass so therefore he can't harmed by physical damage seeing as he has already tanked infinite mass, so IMP won't really affect him plus power cosmic allows user to amp their speed and strength to unlimited levels

If that's the logic then the same applies to Flash because he also ran through a black hole.

@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2: and? what good is any of that if wally is allowed to speed steal? This fight should be locked...

@newecho: speedsteal is the dumbest thing ever created and it has it's limits.I remember someone posting scan to show me but im not sure it will work on someone like Norrin.

@ghostrider2: You could be right,, but this fight is completely set up for wally,,, Surfer isn't allowed to use any of his powers...

@newecho: and what's is that supossed to accomplish? Hitting a statue which is immune to physical force won't help you win the fight and seeing as SS is an energry minipulator he could just as easily steal wallys speed

@artyom: then stalemate