Flash VS Silver Surfer

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#1  Edited By hatemalingsia
  • Standard / Pre-New 52 versions.
  • Hand to hand combat only. Speed Steal and Phasing is fair game for both of them.
  • No flight.
  • Bloodlusted.
  • Win by KO, incapacitation, or death.

Edit: After reading so far through the comments I'd like to clarify that Silver Surfer is not depowered in this fight. Meaning that Silver Surfer can use the Power Cosmic but has to abide by the rules.

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#3  Edited By kfabz-23

Inb4 Silver surfer wins

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The Flash.

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Considering the OP specifies speed steal as a viable option, it leads me to believe he is referring to Wally as the Flash. Based on this, Wally wins.

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Considering the OP specifies speed steal as a viable option, it leads me to believe he is referring to Wally as the Flash. Based on this, Wally wins.

Or Jay :-P

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Wally stomps.

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I doubt speed steal.INB4 zeptosecond.

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#12  Edited By unbreakable_fs4
@reaverlation said:
@unbreakable_fs4 said:

Considering the OP specifies speed steal as a viable option, it leads me to believe he is referring to Wally as the Flash. Based on this, Wally wins.

Or Jay :-P

Yeah, but that's Jay though :)

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I'd give it to Wally

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new 52 barry gets beat rather easily,, the rest are debateable but surfer has the more pure power.. Which one is this???

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In just hand to hand with vibrating allowed Wally should win quite easily since he could just phase through all of Norrin's punches.

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@highaccuser: Is this not set up for wally to win? heck i didn't even see the "hand to hand" part... How is speed stealing allowed in a hand to hand fight?

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hmm i go with wally but iam open to suggestion.

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#21  Edited By Cosmic_Lantern

@highaccuser: Couldn't surfer do the same?

Edit: Nvm it's wally, Norrin can't react.

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Norrin wins IMO.

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  • Hand to hand combat only. Speed Steal and Phasing is fair game for both of them.
  • Bloodlusted.

Wally wins with this op by speedstealing at attosecond N°1.

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Flash fact!

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Hand to hand only surfer gets stomped as i haven't seen him out fight any body ever lol.

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Wally stomps.

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Was this intentionally set up to be in Flash's favor?

Bloodlusted.

Hand to hand only, that is nothing but a straight nerf to Silver Surfer. All of Flashes fights are hand to hand, Surfer is an energy manipulator and a blaster first and for most, he is not a hand to hand fighter at all unless things have gone wrong.

Flash wins, 10 out of 10.

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#32  Edited By Heaven_Sings7

Flash fights at the picosecond level, his entire fight with Zoom lasted a picosecond, this is the smallest possible measurement of time

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No way Surfer can keep up, Surfer does not even have combat speed only travel speed, then we have all the IMPs Flash can deliver, punches that hit like a white dwarf star

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#34  Edited By mysticmedivh

Flash.

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The Wonder Woman example is a pretty bad one. Diana fights on a combat speed (psssst.... i said combat speed not travel speed) far faster than Norrin.

The Flash wins this. Surfer is known for using cosmic powers and not HTH.

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#37  Edited By D34DP00L81920

surfer. he has cosmic powers. flash only has super speed which is completely dipshit

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Silver Surfer.

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@d34dp00l81920: I might agree with you but this is HTH only with only phasing and speed steal allowed.

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#40 Static Shock  Online

The OP says no flight (so I'm assuming he doesn't have his board on hand), and Surfer only uses superhuman speed while flying. So, how does Flash steal speed from him?

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@tomofukuoka: @chazz85: @grandwonder: @hellionvulcan: @misterwhisper:

Regarding SS's strength:

Well, it's true that he rarely uses physical strength ,especially in the H2H department, to subdue someone because of his broad variety of abilities. Though, the question is what is the limit of his strength through the Power Cosmic? I think this is the same kind of question asked in this thread: is Galactus physically stronger than DSS? In feats of pure strength, Galactus never lifted a dead Celestial while DSS did, despite its monstrous size compared to Sentry's size. But Galactus doesn't need muscles to lift something like that, he is the manipulator of Cosmic Power. Heck, someone can say that particular feat of strength from DSS actually comes from his reality warping powers (IMO this is stretching too far, but you get the point -yes?). Do they have the upper limit of strength? Of course, but is it quantifiable? Who knows. Silver Surfer's power set has been stated to be made of the Power Cosmic. It's been stated that Galactus himself is the one who controls how much Power Cosmic SS can use, which was what happened in Annihilation. I didn't depower SS so he can still use his Power Cosmic to augment his strength for H2H. Is SS stronger than Superman? I don't think so based on his actual feats, especially with different writers and/or as plot devices, but he has been shown to go toe to toe with Hulk level opponents. There's no feat to suggest that he has infinite strength and I don't think we will ever see one, but it should be enough to help him in this fight.

Can SS tag Flash? That's a different matter. :P

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@static_shock: A character doesn't need to have superspeed for Wally to speed steal. He could just steal all of the Surfer's speed to render him immobile and statue-like for all eternity. This is a high-end feat though and I've only seen him do this once (correct me if i'm wrong) but there are a lot of implications.

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#43  Edited By GrandWonder

@hatemalingsia: Agreed. That is the only question needed to know the result of this thread. My answer is highly unlikely.

Well, if ever SS managed to land a hit, I do knownthat his frictionless aura gives him far better toughness and durability to take hits from Superman and Mongul and add to that that he adds mass to his body while moving at superspeed akin to that of a star.

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The OP says no flight (so I'm assuming he doesn't have his board on hand), and Surfer only uses superhuman speed while flying. So, how does Flash steal speed from him?

SS still has his board, that's my thought when I made this thread. But now that you mention it, it feels weird that he has his board but can only punch. Lol.

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@heaven_sings7 said:

Flash fights at the picosecond level, his entire fight with Zoom lasted a picosecond, this is the smallest possible measurement of time

Femtosecond? Attosecond? Zeptosecond? Yoctosecond? And all those aren't even the smallest.

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@hatemalingsia: it feels weird that he has his board but can only punch. Lol.

Cheers.

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Speed steal for the win

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Unless it's morals on, Wally should be able to take the majority.

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#50  Edited By Avatar_of_Green

@hatemalingsia: I believe beings that use abstract cosmic power sources like the power Primordial or the power Cosmic are beyond physical strength limitations. They can manipulate reality and the universal forces such as magnetism, electromagnetism, nuclear forces, gravity, time, space, etc., Is metal heavy to Magneto? Surely not. Does he use his physical strength when he lifts and molds billions of tons of metal? No. I imagine Galactus and his ilk have full control over all matter, time, and reality in much the same way.

SS is one of the few characters that can beat almost always beat Flash. He is so much stronger it isn't even funny, and perceives time just as quickly, and moves outside of the concept of time and space when necessary. I imagine he would clown any version of the Flash pretty easily, unless this is Wally, which would be much closer. But ultimately, Surfer has a host of incredible powers that would allow him to defend against and then counter anything any matahuman can throw at him. He survive and fight inside of a black hole, absorb stars, traverse hyperspace, become truly intangible, display picosecond reaction times in both flight and combat, and do so many other incredibly useful defensive things that is really isn't fair to put him against a physical being. That's why he is considered herald level, and he is the highest tier of that level as well. Most agree Superman couldn't even take SS, even in straight H2H. Flash is screwed.