Flash vs Sentry

The Sentry would rearrange the molecules in the Flashes brain before the fight was even brought to him. Even if the sentry can't move his physical body, he can still manipulate his molecules. The sentry isn't too slow himself. He flew from another planet to earth in just a few seconds.

Wally stomps

@clownprinceofcrime1995: imp takes alot of his speed and energy to generate so no he will not do it hundred thousand times beside if he pass the at least 5x speed of light he will be force to speed force becuz he cant control it....but all sentry can move run and react at light speed and maybe a lil higher so he could evade so of flash hits...im not sayin sentry is faster than flash but he also a lil speed and reflexes to sentry is just like superman only but better

@jae345: Wally has moved millions of times the speed of light without going into the speed force.Sentry won't touch Wally

False. And the first one was after he'd been hit with a potentially fatal attack.

Gallery

@reaverlation: does he have to touch him? Did you see what he did to molecule man? The sentry wins this fight even if he can't move. If Wally does somehow kill him, he will just regenerate himself again. Wally is definitely only one dimensional and it won't take the sentry long to figure this out. Batman has even beaten Wally lol

Flash was at light speed. How fast was zum going

@marvelous_3212: You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

That was Void

Wally can KO him

Sentry won't touch Wally unless Wally allows it

@reaverlation: This thread doesn't say anything about "no void" an again, he doesn't have to touch him. Sentry lets Wally kill him, then he reforms himself on the moon, turns Wally into a fart from there. Fight is over.

@reaverlation:

No he doesn't do anything of that sort.

Sentry can't be killed unless he wants to die to the point of having his molecules scattered and coming back from that.

His base level durability involves being in the centre of multi planet sundering energies and ignoring that. Nothing Wally has done with an IMP suggests he can dish out that kind of power

Sentry can teleport so that rules out the speed force dump

Sentry's speed has been shown time and again to come from time related " being 2 seconds ahead of everyone" stuff. Wally West specifically has tried and failed to steal the speed of people whose speed is time based

And Sentry can't actually land a physical hit on Wally in a million years. He doesn't have to. Multi planet busting energies while holding back that light up a subatomic universe should nail Wally sooner or later( unless he leaves the arena and loses by forfeit)

@thegrayghost: If you actually read, I said KO not death smh

Uh yes Wally has lol

Never mentioned speed force dump

That doesn't even make sense

Sure.Let me know when Sentry can actually react in picoseconds casually lol

@reaverlation: Scans for Wally showing multiplanet busting force while holding back, that lights up a universe? Note that this sort of attack ddidn't actually harm Sentry

So if Wally can't actually hurt him, cant steal his speed , cant dump him in the speedforce , how does Wally being able to react in picoseconds actually help him?

Sooner or later he gets caught in a massive AoE and dies. Simple as that

@thegrayghost: Uh huh

Marvel Fanboys.

It's an obvious fact that Wally decimates Sentry.

@thegrayghost: Scans of Sentry surviving this type of attack?

Wally can simply phase his brains out, or speed steal him, or do anything to him.

You realize a dead Sentry can't do anything right?

@awesomedude: Find it anywhere on a respect thread. Its from New Thunderbolts 14

In fact I will post the important bits. Sorry its not a direct link but Im on my phone so yoh will just have to copy paste

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179260-5.jpg

That light on Iron Man's armour is from a fight taking place in a subatomic universe. That planet being busted in the first panel is

Again a side effecet of the fight in the microverse

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179258-3.jpg

Eh again confirmation of the multi planet busting thing. In case you are wondering the moment Cap left, as shown in the first scan , Sentrys golden light cleaved the planet in half and not Genis' blueish light

And before anyone tries to downplay anything.. the microverse has had a whole series with planets, stars and spaceships. It isn't like a universe with a single planet or something like King Kais planet from DBZ. And Sentry is this fight released ( and took)enough energy to light it up. That and holding a cosmic cube even briefly kinda means that Wally West cant harm him physically. At all.

Phasing the brains out of a guy whose current version voluntarily rips off his own skull in half to prove his regeneration from an atomic level sounds like a gteat tactic to me....

So.....scans of Wally speadstealing a guy with time based speed. Or in other words, ever heard of Hunter Zolomon?

You realise Sentry can't actually die, right?

People seriously need to stop acting like Sentry can actually be killed.

Dude had his molecules scattered away and came back from that. Magically erased from the timeline, and came back from that. The current version split his own head in half just to make a statement.

This fight is Sentry without void.

@slimj87d: Hows that work exactly when the writer insists that a part of the void is always there in sentrys every action?

Eh and sentry beat the void when no one else could. How strong do you think that makes him?

@thegrayghost: Sentry basically beat himself which really wasn't impressive as you're trying to make it out to be as Void is more dangerous when more unleashed through Robert's personality.Unless Sentry uses the Void, Sentry will not win against Wally

@thegrayghost: Sentry can have his brains phased right? If so, Wally wins.

Also, can he take a thousand IMPs to the face?

Zoom is basically outside of time, he manipulates time on his own will and he can do that 24/7, unlike Sentry.

So? You realize he can be KOed right?

@reaverlation:

Wow so still no answer to how Wally is hurting the guy who was at the centre of universe lighting energies, took a blow of Terraxs axe with a smile and all that....

Still no answer as to how Wally is stealing the speed of a guy with time based speed

Still no answer as to how Wally is putting down ( assuming he can hurt the dude which he cant) a guy who comes back from being magically erased from the timeline ( no void there)

Your bias is sure showing at this point.....

@awesomedude: Did you not read what I wrote?

Sentry took off his own head to prove a point. This didn't slow him down or hurt him or anything. There were tentacles instead of eyes. The dude basically cannot be killed. So phasing the brains out of a guy who anyway had his brains smashed out by Thor with a " haha...think you can actually hurt me?" Is not something thats actually gonna work

Watch the scan. Dude was at the centre of energies that destroyed multiple planets and lit up a universe. Post Crisis Wally has never shown this kind of power output.

Even if he could, that whole incident there didn't even tear up Sentrys suit. So...how is Wally hurting him

Assuming Wally can actually hurt him, nothing permanent can be done to a guy who comes back from being magically erased from reality

@thegrayghost: But he still can be Knocked Out.

So now Sentry is >>> Anti Monitor in durability? You're kidding right?

By simply ounching him so hard thousands of times.

Wally can.

Now, what can Sentry actually do to Wally?

@thegrayghost: Actually I just don't care to engage you

Lightning energies at the center of the universe isn't impressive, especially since Wally doesn't revolve around using energy attacks

I guess Iron Man and the Thing are as durable as Sentry then

Time based speed? That makes no sense

Sentry has been and could be KO'd, especially when Wally has 1 shotted superman level characters

My bias? I never planned on arguing with you so how am I showing a bias? Especially when you're overhyping all of Sentry's feats

Yeah the guy who can out run Death to End of time running through the Big Bang ( which was motionless) is going to have trouble with Sentry

/sarcasm

Flash beats down Sentry before he registers a thought

Lol at Sentry being as fast as flash with not proof. You do know Flash ran across the Universe which made it look instant? A trip to Saturn is just a stroll down the street for flash.

@awesomedude: Sentry>>> COIE Anti Monitor?

Why certainly not. When did I ever said that.

On the other hand that's an interesting implication right there. So Wally>>>>> COIE Anti Monitor?

This by default means Wally>> PC Spectre boosted by every magician on the planet including 5d imps that use planets as projectiles. This means Wally >>>PC Darkseid> PC Superman > heck even PC Diana who casually lassoes suns and runs along with them

Can you point out a single other feat for Wally operating anywhere near this level in any other fight ever?

In fact while you areabout it, the 3 times Batman tagged a Flash, this being 2 more times than A Flash taking on multi verse wiping dudes, by your standards for feats, that surely establishes Batman as a FTL dude. Right? RIGHT?

Wally KOing a Superman level dude has little to no relation in a fight with someone who stands unaffected in the middle of energies that wipe out multiple planets / holds back the enrgies of a cosmic cube without dying and all that. Heck even the Terrax fear by itself kinda throws Post Crisis Superman out of the window when he catches Terraxs planet one shotting axe with one. Post Crisis Superman has zero planet busting feats and certainly not anywhere close to doing it with one punch when while building up speed he can't even properly destroy a moon. Or as a direct example him crashing into the planet busting superspeed moon knocked him senseless as far as him and planetary level feats go

And yeah Wally punches him a million times . What happens? Certainly by feats, nothing at all

Another argument would be since the INFINITE mass punch is INFINITE , Wally can beat the Living Tribunal ZOMG! ( And dont forget Hulk is infinitely powerful too! And Superman prime 1 million has x, y, z powers after sundipping!) . This is not really the sort of argument I give credence to what it these no limit fallacies not particularly supported by anything in comics by actual feats but I fear your next reply may be leaning in that direction as some sort of explanation for Wally suddenly being more powerful than the PC crowd for the AM fear to be viable....

Yeah in anyy case presuming hundreds and thousands of punches actually manage to split anything ( and that is highly unlikely in the first place) , Sentry just reforms

As to how Sentry is hurting Wally, obviously physically he can't touch him but blowing up the planet they are on should do pack off Wally West just fine

^lol

@thegrayghost: Well if he isn't superior to Monty in durability, Wally can hurt him, period.

Actually no, but his striking feats are Superior compared to the combined forces of PC DC heroes.

Other feats? Like him punching a White Martian to space, like him beating up Mongul SR, while this isn't as great as busting Montys Armor, it's enough to knock out Sentry.

Scans? Batman touched Wally because he let him, read this if you don't believe me, http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/46646/2951303-6839299467-53310.jpg

Uh, yeah it does. Superman already like, tanked a Supernova, somehow like punched reality (Not Superboy Prime, there was a scan of him fighting another Superman and somewhat like punching reality).

Ntohing at all? What drugs are you taking. Wallys casual IMP can send a White Martian to the orbit, imagine him doing millions of them.

When did I ever say that? Also, Wally has better striking feat and better reaction time than most PC characters.

How bout if he's unconcsious?

Okay, Wally casually reacts in Zeptoseconds, maybe more, Sentry like most FTL characters reacts in Nanoseconds, Wally can simply knock him put before he manages to fly. Also, Wally can survive in space.

And Sentry has no nanosecond reactions or any that I can think of that would make him at best as fast as Superman

@reaverlation: Energies at the not the centre of anything. They were on a random planet in the microverse and lit up a subatomic universe while busting multiple planets as a side effecr of that fight while holding back. This is the sort of thing backed by sentry holding back the enrgies of a cosmic cube and stuff. You trying to pretend this isn't a massive durability feat doesn't actually change the fact that a universe which cannot actually be seen.....was seen as a result of that huge fight while both guys were holding back

Show me one scan any scan where Sentrys specific durability to energy attacks is referred to like for eg Dianas weakness to shrap objects.

otherwise that is you, making an assumption not supported by anything in comics

Talking about Terrax losing to Iron Man or Ben is like talking about the version of Darkseid having his shit beaten out of him by Superman and equating him with his Great Darkness Saga levels.

I mean this is canonically the same guy buuut....using him as a feat for Superman beating people who mindcontrol 3 billion people and lay the smackdown on the PC legion is not something that actually works

There is a difference as to how Darkseid was presented back then to the levels Darksieid had sunk to come the new millenium. Same goes for Terrax and how he was presented in his fight with Sentry and what happened later

Sentrys speed comes from being two seconds ahead of everyone else. Zooms speed comes from moving in his own specific timezone outside of normal time. Both people have powers directly related to not being in the same time frame as everyone else. Wally can't speedsteal Zoom. Hence Wally can't speedsteal sentry

The comparisons with Post crisis superman seriously need to end. Has post crisis Superman ever planet busted? Nope. Has he ever shown durability on a scale of holding back a cosmic cube ? Nope. Broken through crimson bands? Nope. Everything else too really.

How valid do you think Sentry getting KOd is, when he comes back from having his molecules scattered. More importantly, when Sentrys original appearance had him holding back a cosmic cube and beating a dude who snapped every bone in Hulks body, how valid do you feel his subsequent collapses against the likes of she hulk for no reason at all are, especially when he peppers his appearnaces in this time period with fears like the microverse feat

Or again, Sentrt has been KOd a lot less times than Flash has been tagged by ordinary humans. Should we now lowball Flash to Captain Cold level speed too?

Your bias is showing in that, despite being presnted with evidence of sentry operating on a level post crisis DC heroes don't come close to, despite being shown the dude is immortal and cannot have his speed stolen, you continue to act like Wally can actually harm him, despite zero feats to back that up with

Lol at the above post.

Wally stomps.

Wally wins and proceeds to celebrate after

@thegrayghost: And can you actually show 1 planet being destroyed by Sentry through his energy besides hyperbole?

Holding a cosmic cube, and not even for long, doesn't mean jack as it doesn't translate into combat

Your Diana comparison makes no sense and irrelevant

And that's how Terrax is portrayed. And his fight with Terrax isn't impressive as he didn't take a direct shot from the axe which is what cleaves planets not Terrax.All Sentry did was catch his arm and break the handle.Not impressive at all

Sentry being 2 seconds ahead of time makes no sense

You really have no idea what you're talking about honestly. You're just spouting nonsense really. You're passing off Sentry's highest feats, feats that are irrelevant in combat or seriously blown out of proportion, and using Wally's lowest feats as legit. I'd be wasting time continuing this but as of now, I do have time to waste

@awesomedude: You are continuing to talk about Sentrys speed like I actually brought it up in my post or anything. For the record sentry isn't FTL anything, he is hypersonic at best. How does his soeed matter when his enrgy blasts can wipe out the planet they are on, and the surrounding ones to boot

Mongul= Anti Monitor= White Martian......do you not feel this is getting ridiculous now? Your answer to providing a supporting feat for Wally beating someone with multiversal fears is a guy who loses to a dude with below planet busting strength

At this point I m beginning to doubt your DC knowledge much less Marvel. Superman vs Superman is from infinite crisis where reality was in a pretty fragile state I would say what with the multiverse coming back around and random heroes and villains materialing through the different universes

Superman tanking a supernova is from the braniac arc and is frankly a low end feat for the dude who gets knocked out by the very source of his power( solar energy) when he has earlier abosrbed enough solar energy to wipe out half a galaxy

again wally having better striking amd reaction feats than just to pick one guy here, PC Spectre who severes his own arm and sends it flying across the universe in seconds to KO bad guy and casually intercepts PC Superman who has finished searching the universe in seconds and has left this universe at speeds that threaten to break down reakity is kinda waay above Wallys paygrade

As for striking power....just one of the guys powering The Spectre was a dude who chucks around planets for fun. The soectre himself holds apart two different universes with his bare hands.....seriously no post crisis hero except kyle has even planet busted....are you sure you yourself have any idea about the leaps in logic you are making to make Wallys feat viable?

Wally can sure fly. The question is how he survives the blast hitting him.

Ugggh you are saying Wally>> Anti monitor

whats even the point of arguing with you. Can at least post one scam, a single scan of Wally showing even planet busting power?

@reaverlation:

1. The planet being split in half in the first link before we see the glow in Tonys armour

2. It means holding back enrgies that have been shown to universal level in check admittedly briefly. Again no Wally Wdst feat comes close

3.You said sentry is specifically durable against energy attacks. I asked you to show a scan to prove this. For eg diana in comics specifically is weak against sharp objects.

4.Thats how terrax was portrayed in his fight with Sentry? Jobbing to Ben Geimn levels? Nah...And Terrax swings his axe.planet busts. Terrax swings his axe . Sentry catches. You are now trying to pretend catching that swing and not dying ASAP is not a durability feat.

5. Sigh...im sure citing Sentrys highest feats. You on the other hand don't even seem to be aware of Wallys best feats. The ones you do cite, like the AM thing make no sense at all in comparison to every other feat. Like the ones im NOT citinv, where sentry stalemates galactus and is the biblical god and all that. I think you are very biased dude in that you are refusing to accept facts. Wally sure is a gazillion times faster, but Wallys highest plausible feats in comics don't remotely suggest he can hurt sentry ( unless wally> AM in whuch case sentry also = Galactus)

6.Sentry being 2 seconds ahead is where his speed specifically comes from. As stated in the comics. You saying" it makes no sense" doesn't actually alter how his powers work

And sure . Do bow out it's kinda hard to keep debating when your knowledge of either character seems lacking ...at best

@thegrayghost: Actually, you kinda did. The point is, Sentry can't actually do anything before Wally speed steals/KOs him.

I already said his two other feats weren't as impressive as busting Montys armor, but Mongul is tougher and at least stronger than Superman, Zum also has super durability and Wally one-shotted him.

I kinda doubt your Flash knowledge, it's like you basically know so little about him.

The point is, he still can tank it.

Wally has better stroking feats than most PC heroes, there's no doubt, also when did I say Wally is > Spectre?

So? By PC I mean Pre-Crisis, you're talking about waaaaaay different stuff now.

How? Simple, by outrunning it, duh.

And when did I say that.

Scan? http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111157674/3789182-4815414850-37891.jpg

Here, you can clearly see PC heroes are all like, "What the heck is going on here" cause Wally moves faster than their perceptions, and you know how hax PC characters are.

Also, you're now talking nonsense and talking about stuff outside Wally vs Sentry.

the Sentry

*Nods to grayghost*

Nicely done. Sentry takes this.

@awesomedude: im not even sure why im bothering with you at this point but

You said Flash> COIE Am ( without any kind of supporting feats on a universal let alone a multiversal scale whatsoever)

And then you say Wally < Spectre ......Spectre being the guy who when amped couldn't beat AM

Contradictions . Contradictions

Im talking nonsense? Er you brought up the stuff in the first place , obviously from some respect thread and then when I supplied youwith the context which you were not even aware of.....you back off by sayingim taIking nonsense

And please dude. Just think rationally for 1 sec. You said Wally beat AM when all the PCheroes ccouldn't despite them having waay better feats than nit even planet buster wally.....and as a supporting claim you talk about white martains and mongul

does the AM feat not seem like EXTREMELY bad writing to you. At all?

@thegrayghost: Evidence?

Again, evidence?

When did I brought up that stuff, I simply said Wally already busted Montys armor, so he definitely can hurt Sentry, and you replied with a bunch if unneeded crap.

He didn't beat AM, he simply busted up his armor, a task the combined efforts of PC heroes can't do. Martians are like pretty durable, Mongul is above Superman and he's pretty much like Sentrys level.

Then again, you're now talking about some nonsense and not stating on how Sentry beats Wally.

The Sentry has probably already crossed into the DC universe and killed Wally a few times. He was just nice enough to brig him back for us :)

Will you "Flash" fanboys please show me one scan where it states that he can do things on a Universal level? The whole universe, not just earth.

1.There's no planet being split

2.Wally has a feat that's actually universal. All sentry did was momentarily hold a cosmic cube.Again how is that combat related?

3.And where did I say that?

4.It's the axe that does it not Terrax.All Sentry did was break the handle of it after catching Terrax arm.Not impressive in the way you're trying to interpret

5.Let's see:

Wally 1 shotting superman level characters, have the ability to speed steal on a planetary level, durability in superman's class, etc.Without the Void, Sentry is no greater than Superman.And this of course will strike a nerve

Like where? When his powers revolve around being psionic and/or solar?

I do know about both characters just you can't seem to debate either lol

And Capt, you just have a little hatred against Wally.Don't worry though as Wally wrecks Surfer or Sentry ;)

No hatred against Wally.

I'm just not biased the way you and some of the "usual suspects" are. I think Wally wins quite a number of fights he's in on these very forums.

Just not against the Sentry ;

I've pointed out your bias in the past and grayghost has noticed the same thing. You and "the gang" are becoming legendary on the Vine for your bias and lack of knowledge about the characters being debated.

@captnmcdeadpool: lol sure you don't

Yeah I'm biased for Wally but you and Surfer have some sort of love connection right?

To anyone who even debates with you or sees your debates, they all would, if not already, know how much you love the Surfer right? Surfer takes down the JLA and Amazo at the same time? Of course he does lol

@reaverlation: @kazuma_bushi: @awesomedude: @captnmcdeadpool: Do you guys have a scan where it says what Wally can do on a universal level? I posted a scan of the Sentry a few posts up. I'm not a fanboy of either, but I doubt Wally's scans will be comparable. I'm not talking about him fighting someone with great strength, I'm talkin about him being able to greatly alter the universe.

@betarayz8317: Wally can break Anti Monitors Armor, also, he can speed steal.

@reaverlation: It was the Sentry that killed molecule man, not the Void. Anyone that has read his comics would know that when the Void is present, his communication bubbles are black. If it's the Sentry, they are white.

Flash easily