Flash vs Martian Manhunter

@comic_book_fan: it's been awhile so it's actually cosmic armor supe but here's the link it's been goin on for a long time http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/white-phoenix-of-the-crown-vs-cosmic-armor-superma-399384/

Lol MM gets owned.

@comic_book_fan said:

no he can't.Wally can manipulate the time too.Didn't you know anything about Flash ?

speed force is nowhere lol.

@iragexcudder: dude Wally can't kill or win against Martian if you set the fight to the death and turn off the BFR

Wally is the battle god like SA Superman yes but if you set the op right.

@dorukesin: it's another dimension which galactus or surfer can traverse at will and when has he shown the power to manipulate time superspeed doesn't mean anything to these guys you are delusional if you think he could beat these guys.

no its not another dimension.It's an energy.It's nowhere.

Also Galactus or Surfer can move even blink because of kinetic energy and thats the point,Wally can absorbe it man.Thats the end.You need to have Speed Steal resistance like Zoom to match with him.Otherwise you'll stomped hard.

Also whats holding Wally from erase Elmar(Norrin's mother) from existance especially when he's bloodlusted ?

maybe you'll ask,Wally can crossed the whole multiverse less than an instant simply he can ran on the air.

@dorukesin: if there space for something to be the energy can't be nowhere it's a dimension full of energy and only energy but still a dimension and one galacus can manipulate at will. there is little flash can do to surfer and noting he can do to phoenix or galactus.

@dorukesin: or have better energy manipulation then him let me put this in to perspective if flashes power to manipulate kinetic energy or any other energy was super strength flash would be bane surfer would be the thing phoenix would be superman and galactus would be wb hulk

MM wins. Either the fans overhype Flash or the Comic Writers turned pre-52 Flash into God lol

Agreed.

Imma make my cases 4 both these guys bc honestly they are my 2 faves. Ever.

Flash:

IMP

PULL J'ONN OUT OF INTANGIBILITY

GODLIKE REACTION AND THINKING TIME

SUPERSPEED(duh)

MM:

I guess he can't attack Wally mentally which sux.

EFFING LASERS

SUPES-LEVEL STRENGTH(almost)

PRETTY MUCH LIMITLESS HEALING

SUPES LEVEL INVINCIBILITY

REALLY FAST REACTION, THINKING AN MOVEMENT(nowhere near flash)

and . . .

TELEKINESIS AN SHAPESHIFTING!

idk why you're ignoring these they're really powerful abilities!!

overall (and this makes me sad to say plz don't be mad) I think it would be the first punch, and that's flash.

Flash

flash

Flash wins.

flash

flash should take this

Flash.

If you think flash can't get into lightspeed with only 30ft, or think that mm can actually fight him head on, you need to read the human race. in here wally was faster than instant teleportation. look at this thread to see how much of a stomp this is. http://www.comicvine.com/wally-west/4005-23879/forums/wally-wests-top-speed-best-feats-598821/ flash wins before mm can even move.

@intercepter101: He was amped by an entire race of lightspeed people, half the people of earth, and finally the likes of superman and jay garrick, for that feat

Not usable

Eh, J'onny's one of my all time favorite characters but I think Wally wins this.

J'onn is close to light speed in reaction time.

Wally moves casually moves through the time stream, so he'll get J'onny at the "gun" (in a manner of speaking). The question is: can Wally do enough damage to J'onn before J'onn drops Wally with TP?

I lean toward yes.

@dorukesin: Surfer kills flash in a million different ways. He could disperse the speed force like captain atom did number 1. Number 2 I have no reason believe flash is faster. Absolutely zero, just because marvel writers dont spend the time to put math equations in their stories doesn't mean their characters aren't as fast. Surfer moves many times faster than the speed of light, he can react fast enough to hit flash and he easily one shots flash. Flash doesn't have anything for surfer. He would tank an IMP punch just like Wonder Woman did against hunter zolomon. Flash most overrated character period.

Flash has literally already beat him

flash is powerful undoubtably however if density shifting didn't work he could either

1. go invisible and sneak up on flash like mister sneak man and do a physical assault

2. put up a psychokinetic shield and even if flash can vibrate or punch through it (which i doubt) it would give MMH enough time for a mental assault

3. or a combination of both of these

Q :has flash expericaned much difficulty with telekinetics….can he vibrate out of it or what ?

flash

Yeah, i'd like to see MM survive one million IMP's per second.

@linestar: None of the Flashes can do the 'IMP' that fast. It took Wally 7-8 seconds to charge up a punch that KO'd Gorilla Grodd, whose not even on Aquaman's durability level. So the IMP would have to take much longer than that...

J'onn actually has a good track record when it comes to dealing with Flashes.Wally wins but he can't hold back at all and abuse the knowledge he knows of his opponent i.e. resisting telepathy

True. I forgot IMP's took super long to charge. Silly me.

Still, one IMP should be enough, and the Flash can still punch MM one million times a second with the force of a star (whatever that means).

@linestar: One IMP would be enough... All thou we don't know exactly how long does it take for Wally to build up that momentum, but we know it has to be a lot more than 8 seconds, since Wally said in the last panel before ko'ing Grodd that he was going ten times the speed of sound, and still said that this was not an easy feat to accomplish. So what are the odds that J'onn will just stand still and let Wally build up that momentum, and not just turn invisible, immaterial or fly up? Even without TP, J'onn can still win, since white martians have been able to tag Wally, and Wally has no counter for the invisibility

Comicvine Flash wins, regular Flash loses. MM could go invisible and TP or intangible. Then again, Comicvine Flash would have killed him within 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 second.

Flash wins. Can steal-speed of MMH and accelerate your thoughts to the point that MMH cannot keep up with him

Flash

Martian Manhunter wins.

Bro, comicvine flash killed him before the fight even started with infinite IMPs.

Is there anyone Flash can't beat?

Protege

Wally West takes this.

He's too fast. He can steal speed and then pummel Jon into green paste.

Time BFR, speed force dump, etc....

stap with the flash threads

If were going to have CV Flash, guess there has to be CV Beyonder, CV Thor, CV Hulk, CV Sentry etc, etc lol

But honestly, probably Flash since current versions Flash effected MMH via phase though MMH can get into Flash's mind but since the OP says no TP, I will lean Flash here.

its plausible that if manhunter at least knew flash was heading straight for him he could put up a force field with a large enough area that it would at east slow him down and cause him to become vulnerable, also does flash have any defences against psychokinesis ?, cause if not MMH could just crush him or pull a darth vader on him

@blackstaroblivion: i meant psychokinetic force fields…I'm assuming he can probably do it since almost every characters with Tk can, i suppose flash could try to vibrate out of it, but if MMH unleashes one massive psionic blast i doubt flash could find a way around it

Martian Manhunter is also pretty fast and has the telepath but without it, I think Wally will take this one.

a permanent amp

Flash.