Flash vs Martian Manhunter

New 52 versions

Morals off

Fight to the death

Anyways Barry dumps him in the speed force

Have to agree with the above. Nu J'onn has not shown he can react fast enough to deal with Barry.

Barry for the win.

Same reasons as above.

Barry in less than a second.

Mr. Z~kun

Flash.

New 52-MMH easily, Barry isn't as ridiculous as he was and MMH has already gotten into Flash's mind and read his thoughts at Flash's speed. All Flash did was stun J'onn there, not really an impressive feat.

Reads Flash's thoughts at lighting speed...

Flash.

@vaeternus: That should count as a speed feat for J'onzz yes?When J'onzz read Barry's mind and was said that Barry's is as fast as lightning. Not saying J'onzz wins but I believe that counts as a speed feat for J'onzz

Yeah, the scan I posted. Pre N52 Jonn never did such I dont' believe. I agree, how many people can read at Flash's speed(thinking as fast as he is) lol. MMH also fought the rest of the JL before he left them to join the JLA taking them all at once. So i honestly believe J'onn can take Flash here.

@vaeternus: In Pre 52,J'onzz has been able to keep up with the likes of Superman and Flash and conversate and strategize in under a second and J'onzz,IIRC,tracked and read Flash's mind while he was going light speed so J'onzz doesn't lack them.That JLA scan with the New 52 Justice League:The context around the scan is unknown as we don't know the outcome of that feat.Flash should win here though as he reacts faster than J'onzz:

J'onzz=Lightning reaction

Barry=Femtosecond reaction

Can't MMH fly high in to sky wait for flash to jump to hit him (which should be pretty slow unless he can jump at light speeds) density shift and punch flash's brain out.

Flash

Flash.

@frisky4: Are you sure? Because I think Flash would win.

Good thing I said "Flash" then.

Flash

I seriously think Flash would win. Are you sure about your choice?

Flash caught Wally by jumping up and catching Wally when they were moving at speeds at which there was no friction IIRC. If they're bloodlusted, Flash can beat J'onn before he leaves the ground really.

Yes.

Can you explain why you think he wins instead of Flash?

Die.

Flagged for being offensive.

Okay. Just refrain from doing what you did to me again. I really don't appreciate someone doing something like that, me getting annoyed, then me getting flagged for my agitation.

I was just messing around. You didn't have to go far and say "Die", especially over something as minor as this.

Okay. I wasn't serious. I've said that to people before here, and they were fine with it. I've said it today to someone who was saying Deadpool's power is greater than TOAA's.

Really, I've just been quoting Vergil from DMC 3 the entire time.

Okay.

My vote goes to Martian Manhunter...Since J'onn prove that he could reach Flash's mind in lightspeed,mind rape should be possible...Well J'onn in the New 52 already has some impressive feats,Flash ins't powerful as before...Yet...

One more thing...J'onn can use his telepathy while he is intangible,but,Flash could hit him intangible?

Still my vote goes to J'onn...Hard fight but...J'onn is more versatile and could adapt to the fight more easily...J'onn has Telekinesis on the New 52?I did not see it yet...

@dannilosantiago: They've had very limited interaction. During Trinity War it appeared that Flash could keep J'onn continually incapacitated with a vibrating strike - this is why Waller needed Vibe around to counter Flash's powers so he couldn't defeat J'onn (J'onn was how she planned to beat Superman, after all).

Not that that matters. Flash clearly thinks faster than J'onn with the speed mind and all he has to do is think to send someone to the Speed Force. I do not believe J'onn has interdimensional travel so morals off Flash should automatically win.

Strong arguments...But Flash can hit J'onn Intangible?I did not find anything close...Also Invisibility isn't an advantage?

MMH.

Ah, the thread where my patience was tested.

Nu Barry certainly has better speed/reaction feats, but I haven't seen him bring the pain like Wally use to be able. Morals on? Well, that's anyone's guess, but I go with J'onn for TP wipe.

Flash is also capable of going intangible so I don't see why he couldn't hit him. It's probably WHY he was able to keep J'onn completely neutralized while Waller had a full conversation with Vibe. If J'onn could easily bust out of that I imagine he would have.

It's a moot point because Morals off Barry just tosses him the Speed Force at the start of the fight and J'onn has no counter to that. Maybe invisibility would work (though Barry can do his Speed Force dump to an area, not just to a single target) to be annoying but J'onn would need to act first to do so (in which case, if J'onn is going first, he could just win with telepathy anyhow).

I think Martian Manhunter has a better control of density than Flash while he is vibranting.But,Flash is no doubt Fastter than J'onn...But J'onn ins't very resistant,invunerable...Well it's a hard fight...You have good arguments...But I still believe Manhunter wins!

It can easily go either way. MMH can mind control and go intangible. Flash can't really be hit and he might get hits before MMH goes intangible. But I don't really see either hero getting a hit.

Martian Manhunter uses telepathy. End of discussion.

Mmh

@mister_surreal: Depends on how fast flash’s mind is moving at the time because the above scan shows that lightning time isn’t gonna cut it but flash was able to stop Martian manhunter from reading his mind when J’onn was a black lantern but that could be post crisis I’m not sure because honestly the whole mixing post-crisis and n52 blending thing is messing with me.

Flash wins quite handily.

@kidolio: MM already has feats of mentally attacking the entire league.

@mister_surreal: Can Flash hurt him, if MMH phases?

@biswaboxz: Doubt it.

@mister_surreal: Then MMH wins pretty handily.

@biswaboxz: Yup.

@biswaboxz: Yeah I doubt that to this flash hasn’t shown he can do it.

@kidolio: J’onn wins this handily.