Flash vs Justice League

- This is Wally West

- League is consisted of Superman, Diana, Martian Manhunter, Hal Jordan and Shazam aka Cap Marvel

- Pre Flashpoint versions, team has morals off, Flash is bloodlusted, who wins and why?

SPITE

Should I give Wally morals?

Wally

Then J'onn would solo

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I can already see the possible posts of "Wally speed blitzes with kajillion IMP's a second then speed force dumps!!!!"

@bigcimmerian: I will respond as someone who has never read the comics, but has seen every justice league cartoon

No one can hit him except (arguable) superman. But that doesn't mean that he hurts anyone. Eventually Wally will wear himself out and that will be the end of that.

This has been done atleast 300 quadrillion pentillion quattuordecillion trigintillion amount of times that it has gotten ridiculous lol.

I'd like to disagree about those numbers.

Wally East

he would have a hard time with sups and cap. pre new 52 Cap was faster than superman as stated in Justice. he was even able to catch up to the flash

Wally easily. The only threats here are Hal and MMH.

Justice (#7 being the one you referenced) is both not a canon story and the Flash he caught up to was Barry Allen who was also not at his full speed, so no in every single way possible.

This can't be good

Flash.

Only way to make this remotely fair is to have everyone bloodlusted.

Everyone bloodlusted = Team

Solely Wally out for blood = Flash

Morals on for all = Team

Fixed

@homicidalmaniac:

Can't be good for the Flash...

Morals off: Wally

Morals on: Justice League 5.5/10 (assuming there's no CIS)

I'm going to get so much hate for this, but I would pick a blood lusted Martian over a blood lusted flash any day. (especially going by feats). Alot of Flash's 'vine' power stem from fans extending his power based on assumptions and real physics that simply don't apply to comics.

@bigcimmerian said:

Wally kills them all.

@batking200: You do realize Physics don't apply to comics, and what can Martian do if his Brain's phased out in the first few Zeptoseconds?

I just said that physics don't apply to comics. There it goes again. Someone uses an infintisimal number to quantify a basic featless statement. Flashes feats range from fighting Anti-monitor to getting owned by street levelers. he doesn't have to touch him tp works just fine.

Justice league

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the team should win. the flash has trouble with his own rogues who suck compared to the league. the league wins.

@batking200: Okay, name one time Flash got beat by a Street Leveler. "TP works just fine", really? Flash can basically speed up his mind so MMH can't TP him, and like what I said before, MMH has no way of reacting to Wally.

@christianrapper: "His Rogues suck". Are for for real here dude. One of his Rogues is a reality warper, one has a Cold Field, one can make infinite clones and jump to another dimension, one can blow people up by putting Tornados inside them, one basically catches Flash off guard all the time, one has crazy Accuracy and is also super fast.

Bloodlusted Wally>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morals on Wally

Deathstroke beat him twice. When has he ever showed tp resistance. He HASN'T. Not against Fernus or Despero (not even grodd). As i said before, extending abilities based on assumption.

PS: his rogues are terrible. Most are obvious rip offs used for comic relief.

he is still going up against superman, martian manhunter, and dianna. they have hit him before. wally keeps getting hit by deathstroke for some reason. superman, mm, and dianna can tag him. wally has speed. supes and mm have speed and strength. mm can use his telepathic powers.

Ignorance is bliss

All I'm saying is that if Martian Manhunter knows he is fighting the flash, I believe (based on consistent feats) he has enough time to go intangible. After that the fight is child's play.

deathstroke has beaten for some stupid reason. the flash does lose to street levelers. captain cold should be no threat to him.

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Read this ^

This means nothing. Blood lusted martian effortlessly soloed the league, flash included. Fernus for the win.

He isn't Fernus -.-

There's already been a Fernus vs Flash (Wally) thread where Wally was decisively the winner.

They have the same degree of abilities. Fernus is the "blood-lusted'' portion of MM's psyche. You still haven't made a considerable argument. This is why I usually stay away from flash threads.

@batking200: And Wally owned Deathstroke while he was holding back.

Rogues are rip-offs? Really?

@christianrapper: Yet Wally easily beat DS in the next page.

@russellmania77 Ever been to the battle forums?

So many Ignorant People here. Again, how can anyone in the JL REACT to Wally.

Wally I.M.P's him or Speed Steals him or Speed Force dumps him or vibrates through him until he explodes all before J'onn can even think.

Would you like me to go on ?

this bloodlusted wally doesn't mean anything. the league has fought speedsters before. even though most of the speedsters are flash villains, the league still has dealt with them. villains by nature are supposed to be blood lusted. this isn't something new to supes and company who have fought gods and other univeral type threats.

that's still makes them 2 to 1. I'm still not hearing an argument. I'm not debating the fact that flash can beat deathstroke. I'm using their encouters to show that flash is both inconsistent, and loses to foes that could never beat MM in those given scenario's. It only takes one shot to beat Flash.

That's my point. Based simply on feats flash can't do that. MM is to fast. This is something actually shown in comics no speculated on forums. The difference between MM and Supes is that MM doesn't have to move at all. All he has to do is go intangible instantly and your argument goes out the window because flash can't do anything at that point.

He has to think and based on feats Wally is beyond

250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 x the speed of light so MMH is a snail going uphill to him

and again

Wally I.M.P's him or Speed Steals him or Speed Force dumps him or vibrates through him until he explodes all before J'onn can even think.