Flash vs Galactus

@jagernutt:

What have I done?!

@cgoodness said:

all because of you

Hummmmmm no ccomment there is no case here for flash it's like comparing a butterfly and a Tyrannosaurus

But oh no, Butterflies still exist and the Tyrannosaurus died out. Butterflies win the end game baby.

@jagernutt:

This. Too much troll-spam in this thread alone by him.

@god_spawn@saren

Meh.

@frozen:

Ridiculous

@willpayton: Again, your arguments fall into 2 categories: 1) You don't know what you're talking about and 2) You simply evade counter-arguments. At this point I'm having a difficult time telling if you're really being serious.

My point was simply that if Galactus is a physical being, made of matter, then speed-steal should work on him. Can Flash speed-steal all his speed if Galactus can keep amping it up? I dont know. How much can Galactus amp his kinetic energy if he's starving? I dont know. Do you?

This point doesn't make any sense, and if you would stop evading and using straw man fallacies you would see this. Let's go through this argument step-by-step:

1. The fact that Galactus is starving is irrelevant; "weak" is a relative term when discussing a cosmic entity on Galactus's level. Please stop mentioning that Galactus is starving. You're just trying to distort the facts by using language to manipulate how powerful Galactus seems.

2. Galactus on the brink of death produced enough energy to engulf (at least) 3 solar systems. This is a fact; you can't deny it.

3. Galactus is an energy manipulator; he can turn any form of energy into any other form of energy. This is a fact; you can't deny it.

4. Therefore, Galactus can turn all the energy that he can produce into any other form of energy he desires. This means that all the energy he used to engulf 3 solar systems, he can also turn into kinetic energy. This is a fact; you can't deny it.

Why do you keep feigning stupidity? Acting like you can't understand what is clear to everybody else?

5. Furthermore, I think it's a moot point anyway because you're not going to convince me that Flash is a better energy manipulator than Galactus. Flash's powers are pretty much useless against anybody who's a sufficiently good energy manipulator.

6. Finally, what you have to do is produce scans that show Flash can speed steal enough energy to engulf 3 solar systems. The most Flash has ever speed stolen is a planet. Needless to say, a planet =/= 3 solar systems.

Ok, you're saying he's made of pure energy. I was under the impression that he was physical. I'm basing this on scans I've seen of him bleeding after a tough battle, where clearly he has the physical form of a humanoid under his armor. If there's scans showing that he's made of energy, I'd be happy to look at them and change my mind. But, if he's made of energy, why does he bleed? Why does he get hurt by physical attacks?

The reason why I said that this point is irrelevant is because Flash has actually used speed steal on beings made of energy. If you had the knowledge of the characters that you purport to have, then you would already know this.

Hey I'm fine with Flash(Wally) as a character, I just hate the fact that threads like these exist.

And about the bitter trolls in disguise.. you'll never know if they're being serious or not. Some truly believe Wally can take on Skyfather+ level characters.

If Beta Ray Bill damaged him, Flash could probably annoy him with an IMP, but that's about all I see him possibly doing to big G.

The stated win conditions for this battle were death, ko or permanent incapacitation, so the question of whether Flash can merely hurt Galactus is irrelevant.

@rudebomberboy01: No, you know, because before they turned to the petty spiteful stuff they were doing everything in their power to try to state Flash was weak and such.

I understand what you're saying, but nowadays, it's hard to tell who's serious and who isn't.

Yeah, I know, I just really get annoyed at people saying, "Flash fans are stupid and terrible," when 90% of the stupid terrible Flash statements are people like jagernutt saying BS to make actual Flash fans look worse because he got his arguments shot down in a Flash thread.

What am I reading?

MUHAHAHAHHAHAH, I HAVE BUMPED THIS!

Wally gets destroyed effortlessly.

To anyone who thinks Wally even has a ghost of a chance.

Ah, nothing Wally can do but die?

Someone got some spite against Wally?

@willpayton So you don't think Galactus is a cosmic entity?

I dont?

You said he wasn’t an abstract in some of your earlier posts in the thread.

Abstract and cosmic entity are not the same thing.

IIRC there are lots of references to Galactus that I myself would consider to be that of an abstract being, would you consider them so?

• Eternity said that Galactus is the Third Force of Nature. He has been later said to be a force of nature several times after this instance.
• He is often stated to be the brother of Eternity and Death.
• The Living Tribunal stated that Galactus is equity.
• Galactus is essential in the cycle of life and death, of death and destruction.
• Has been said to be the order of the universe.
• Death said to Galactus that his role is quite possibly the most important in the universe.
• Eternity said that the Galactus must exist or everything will end.
• He has been stated to be a concept beyond credibility.
• He is unfathomable, beyond all labels. It is futile to even try to comprehend him, and that everyone's survival depends on Galactus.

If being an abstract entity means that he's not a physical being, then no he's not an abstract entity. It's simple as that.

In-Betweener is a notable and well known abstract, as he plays a fundamental role in the universe. In-Betweener has bled, but does that make him any less of an abstract? Both In-Betweener and Galactus fit the definition of abstract, in fact, In-Betweener IIRC had no power over Galactus, and other abstract beings such as Death and Eternity have stated his sheer importance in the grand scheme of things.

Being important doesnt mean anything.

I already gave evidence that Galactus is a physical being, so why are you arguing this?

Galactus's true form is a golden being of energy. Galactus only wears the purple suit of his so he contains his energy.

Also, would you consider In-Betweener, who is already an abstract, not to be an abstract?

Believe whatever you want. The evidence speaks for itself.

The In-Betweener is not relevant to this battle, or even to whether Galactus is or is not a physical being.

No, but one of your arguments was that Galactus bled. So has the In-Betweener, so by your logic would he not be an abstract?

You also showed a scan of a dead Galactus. Would a scan of this dead Living Tribunal also mean that the Living Tribunal is not an abstract?

No offense to will, but this thread was dumb 6 months ago, and it's still just as dumb now.

@lukehero said:

No offense to will, but this thread was dumb 6 months ago, and it's still just as dumb now.

No offense taken.

Just going to point out: Galactus is an energy being. What other characters see is an anthropomorphic version of his true self, for the benefit of 3 dimensional beings.

There is literally nothing Wally West can do here.

Sheesh guys, I like Wally as much as the next guy, but this is embarrassing.

In fact, the official Marvel website says that Galactus first emerged as raw energy after the destruction of the universe before the main 616 verse. This was before Galactus created a suit to contain his form of pure energy.

His true form without the suit:

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@hyper_temporal_shift said:

Just going to point out: Galactus is an energy being. What other characters see is an anthropomorphic version of his true self, for the benefit of 3 dimensional beings.

There is literally nothing Wally West can do here.

Sheesh guys, I like Wally as much as the next guy, but this is embarrassing.

Where exactly does it say that that is his true form?

That's just a manifestation that Galactus creates, as pointed out in the scans I already posted in this very thread.

And, again...

I'm not sure how much clearer it has to be.

If Thing and Mr Fantastic can do this to Galactus:

which results in this

while Galactus is "in his weakest form shown" as per the OP, I don't see why one IMP couldn't do the same.

If Galactus is in his weakest & Flash is bloodlusted with all feats available then yeahh...

FLASH RAPES

with out pis/cis one punch of flash=light speed attack=infinity energy=can one short galactus and harm LT

Flash is Herald Level right ? Galactus effortlessly destroys , eats , do whatever he wants with herald level characters .

@bo88gdan:

Not at his weakest... Gets taken out by street levelers

READ THE OP FLASH STOMPS

The PSI in this thread is high.

Galactus all day long