#1 Posted by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Edited by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally clears or stops at 3.

#3 Posted by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave: But there are only 3..........

#4 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@XiiX: My bad I meant 3.

#5 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

stops at one speed wont help him from a flyer

#6 Posted by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: Flash can "fly" too

#7 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@XiiX said:

@jackofspades: Flash can "fly" too

no he cant

#8 Posted by XiiX (9474 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades: What? I just showed you the scan. He ran into the planet's atmosphere. It's right there. Here's another couple of him running in space

#9 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

In character? Flash doesn't make it past 1 or 2.

#10 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@XiiX:

your scan dont show jack just him running

#11 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@XiiX:

your scan dont show jack just him running

...But he's not running on the ground. He's running in space, or running through the air out of the atmostphere. He's using a running motion, yes, but he's doing it in the air. So even if you don't count it as flight, it still lets him counter a flyer.

#12 Edited by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally should clear. stable Sentry can be KO'd and has garbage reaction speed feats. He's only got the "remake myself from scattered molecules" feat when he gives Void control.

Anyhow yeah, flying is useless against Wally if he's fighting to the best of his abilities. He'll just speed steal the fliers so they fall out of the sky.

#13 Posted by theONEtaichou (1564 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

Wally should clear. stable Sentry can be KO'd and has garbage reaction speed feats. He's only got the "remake myself from scattered molecules" feat when he gives Void control.

Anyhow yeah, flying is useless against Wally if he's fighting to the best of his abilities. He'll just speed steal the fliers so they fall out of the sky.

I concur!

#14 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash speeds through the gauntlet

#15 Edited by Pyrogram (41344 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 2 or 3. Anyone disagree ask why.

#16 Posted by nickthedevil (13972 posts) - - Show Bio

In-character, Wally's beat stronger foes. I fail to see why people think it makes him weaker.

#17 Edited by Charlie_Jade (523 posts) - - Show Bio

In-character Wally stops at 2

@nickthedevil said:

In-character, Wally's beat stronger foes. I fail to see why people think it makes him weaker.

In-character a guy with a heat gun gives Wally trouble

in character a guy with a boomerang can hurt Wally

a guy with illusion casting and area of attack takes down Wally

a psychic ape takes out Wally

#18 Posted by nickthedevil (13972 posts) - - Show Bio

Heatwave. Shoots a flame that surpassess 1000+ degrees farenheit. He has reactionary speeds that show him melting bullets after they've been fired. And he can hit the Flash. I'm guessin you're talking about the Top? Or mirror Master? Either one can solo this team anyway. Psychic Ape with Superman level durability and psycchic powers that put Xavier's to shame. Dude, if you're debating against wally, you're doing it wrong.

#19 Posted by dondave (38906 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally clears

#20 Edited by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@Charlie_Jade said:

In-character Wally stops at 2

@nickthedevil said:

In-character, Wally's beat stronger foes. I fail to see why people think it makes him weaker.

In-character a guy with a heat gun gives Wally trouble

in character a guy with a boomerang can hurt Wally

a guy with illusion casting and area of attack takes down Wally

a psychic ape takes out Wally

Yeah, and he solo'd Amazo. Twice. Team buster Amazo. Also solo'd Mongul, literally the only guy in the world who could do anything to Zoom (the rest of the JL couldn't even perceive the fight Wally and Zoom were having). Just because villains who know Wally, prep significantly to fight him, and also caused most of the trouble to him before he tapped into the speed force, CAN cause him trouble, doesn't mean he can't beat villains above their caliber.

Or is Lex Luthor not a good villain for Superman? Villains get prep, the heores still win. Wally always wins while holding back and refusing to kill the guys you're listing. Stop reposting this in every flash thread.

#21 Edited by Charlie_Jade (523 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has one-shot Gorilla Grodd, yes one-shot

Thor's hammer is more powerful than a gun yes even a special gun that "Shoots a flame that surpassess 1000+ degrees farenheit" Thor is also a hell of a lot stronger and more durable than Heatwave

Since the original post says Flash fights in-character, then he stops at 2

#22 Posted by Saren (25133 posts) - - Show Bio

@Charlie_Jade said:

Superman has one-shot Gorilla Grodd, yes one-shot

Was that before or after Martian Manhunter intervened and stopped Grodd from killing Superman with an illusion of kryptonite? Come on, son.

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#23 Edited by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@Charlie_Jade said:

Superman has one-shot Gorilla Grodd, yes one-shot

Thor's hammer is more powerful than a gun yes even a special gun that "Shoots a flame that surpassess 1000+ degrees farenheit" Thor is also a hell of a lot stronger and more durable than Heatwave

Since the original post says Flash fights in-character, then he stops at 2

Best of his abilities in character, which means no jobbing and no Wally holding back. Wally would stomp normal Sentry, dude got KO'd and exhausted by Hulk. Sentry literally couldn't even react to Wally going at his top speeds, his best reaction feats are bullet grabs.

#24 Posted by jwalser3 (5279 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 3. Hasn't Thor's hammer traveled way beyond FTL. If Thor can control Mjinor with his mind, then he could throw his hammer and control it to chance Wally and one shot him.

#25 Posted by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

Stops at 3. Hasn't Thor's hammer traveled way beyond FTL. If Thor can control Mjinor with his mind, then he could throw his hammer and control it to chance Wally and one shot him.

3x the speed of light. Wally is at bare minimum thousands of times the speed of light, arguably trillions.

#26 Posted by jwalser3 (5279 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jwalser3 said:

Stops at 3. Hasn't Thor's hammer traveled way beyond FTL. If Thor can control Mjinor with his mind, then he could throw his hammer and control it to chance Wally and one shot him.

3x the speed of light. Wally is at bare minimum thousands of times the speed of light, arguably trillions.

IIRC Thor's hammer was able to fly millions of galaxys away in minute.

#27 Posted by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jwalser3 said:

Stops at 3. Hasn't Thor's hammer traveled way beyond FTL. If Thor can control Mjinor with his mind, then he could throw his hammer and control it to chance Wally and one shot him.

3x the speed of light. Wally is at bare minimum thousands of times the speed of light, arguably trillions.

IIRC Thor's hammer was able to fly millions of galaxys away in minute.

I do not remember this one, and I've seen a LOT of Thor feats on this board. Got a scan or issue number so I can confirm?

#28 Posted by Charlie_Jade (523 posts) - - Show Bio

The Flash's straight line speed is lower, perhaps a little higher than Supes or Supergirl but its much lower than fanboys claim. Flash characters have been caught by Superman, Cap Marvel, Wonder Woman etc in a straight line from city to city, planet to planet they are not so fast....maybe a little faster than Supes

What Flash has is ridiculous reaction feats, his sees things faster, his reflexes are ridiculous

Green Lanterns have human reaction

but Lanterns top speeds travel much faster than Flashes, but the Lanterns don't react at those FTL speeds. Wally, could blitz Lanterns, he reacts quicker, he blitzes all he wants and a GL can't react.

#29 Posted by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@Charlie_Jade said:

The Flash's straight line speed is lower, perhaps a little higher than Supes or Supergirl but its much lower than fanboys claim. Flash characters have been caught by Superman, Cap Marvel, Wonder Woman etc in a straight line from city to city, planet to planet they are not so fast....maybe a little faster than Supes

What Flash has is ridiculous reaction feats, his sees things faster, his reflexes are ridiculous

Green Lanterns have human reaction

but Lanterns top speeds travel much faster than Flashes, but the Lanterns don't react at those FTL speeds. Wally, could blitz Lanterns, he reacts quicker, he blitzes all he wants and a GL can't react.

No Lantern has feats that top running the length of the universe in less than an instant, outrunning the big bang, running 20million miles in 10 picoseconds, or any other number of thousands of times the speed of light feats -- plenty of which were not straight line. I can even show you Flash ziggzagging hundreds of meters scanning half a million people in a picosecond which would put him hundreds of thousands of times the speed of light, if you want.

Flash has been tagged by people slower than him depending on who's writing him or what level of speed Flash is deciding to go at. That people tag him is actually an indictment on his reaction speed when he doesn't speed his mind up enough, moreso than his combat or travelling speed.

#30 Posted by Jodema (477 posts) - - Show Bio

This isn't even Wally. A little faster than Superman? No.

#31 Posted by Simon_the_digger (3446 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Wally clears
#32 Posted by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash clears it.

#33 Posted by Deadgod (1500 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000 said:

Flash clears it.

#34 Posted by AllStarSuperman (23013 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deadgod said:

@logy5000 said:

Flash clears it.

#35 Posted by Outside_85 (10316 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash clears.

#36 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@XiiX:

your scan dont show jack just him running

...But he's not running on the ground. He's running in space, or running through the air out of the atmostphere. He's using a running motion, yes, but he's doing it in the air. So even if you don't count it as flight, it still lets him counter a flyer.

its still running

#37 Posted by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@XiiX:

your scan dont show jack just him running

...But he's not running on the ground. He's running in space, or running through the air out of the atmostphere. He's using a running motion, yes, but he's doing it in the air. So even if you don't count it as flight, it still lets him counter a flyer.

its still running

Right, how does that make it not flight? You can move your legs and fly. Birds do it all the time.

#38 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@XiiX:

your scan dont show jack just him running

...But he's not running on the ground. He's running in space, or running through the air out of the atmostphere. He's using a running motion, yes, but he's doing it in the air. So even if you don't count it as flight, it still lets him counter a flyer.

its still running

Right, how does that make it not flight? You can move your legs and fly. Birds do it all the time.

with wings

#39 Posted by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@XiiX:

your scan dont show jack just him running

...But he's not running on the ground. He's running in space, or running through the air out of the atmostphere. He's using a running motion, yes, but he's doing it in the air. So even if you don't count it as flight, it still lets him counter a flyer.

its still running

Right, how does that make it not flight? You can move your legs and fly. Birds do it all the time.

with wings

How is running through the air and through spaces not flight? Do you think that The Runner can't fly, too? You're being obtuse and contradictory for no reason, Wally can clearly follow characters with flight.

#40 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Dredeuced said:

@jackofspades said:

@Esquire said:

@jackofspades said:

@XiiX:

your scan dont show jack just him running

...But he's not running on the ground. He's running in space, or running through the air out of the atmostphere. He's using a running motion, yes, but he's doing it in the air. So even if you don't count it as flight, it still lets him counter a flyer.

its still running

Right, how does that make it not flight? You can move your legs and fly. Birds do it all the time.

with wings

How is running through the air and through spaces not flight? Do you think that The Runner can't fly, too? You're being obtuse and contradictory for no reason, Wally can clearly follow characters with flight.

flash can not or will not ever fly if he did he would not need to run up walls

#41 Posted by Dredeuced (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Great, you showed us that Flash can run up walls. Now show us why you think Flash can't run through space. Because he can, we've shown you, with scans, in this very thread.

#42 Posted by toptom (1269 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Charlie_Jade said:

Superman has one-shot Gorilla Grodd, yes one-shot

Was that before or after Martian Manhunter intervened and stopped Grodd from killing Superman with an illusion of kryptonite? Come on, son.

PIS happens.

#43 Posted by toptom (1269 posts) - - Show Bio

however wally stops at number one.

#44 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash Clears.

Flash wins speed force is crazy OP.

Before reading i did this for Flash traveling near light speed flash has shown Light speed feats, so this is very applicable.

Some flash Speeds (not top speed)

Speed of thought+running speed.

500,000 people @ chongjin Base a longtime military target

Distance to safe point 35mi (round trip 70 mi)

Carries 1 sometimes 2 people at a time.

Total time per person 2^-11or .000000000001 per person required to run 70 miles.

Movement speed Approaching light speed.

Comparison: wally vs human

person top running speed 27.45 mph (.0007265 mps) so slow :(

light speed (299792458 mps)

Wally is 412559642100 times faster than a human

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

412559642100x Δt'm1->LS 412559642100^5

Impact force = m0/SQr -(V2/E2) 412351566kg mass punch 13915X harder than a FULL power Hit from hulk traveling at 500 MPH backed by 1000LBS and 200 Ton STr

His is also moving at the speed of thought as he has to pick up people and move them safety to the other side of the river requiring concentration levels of 4-5 on the standard 1-7 MUCC

MUCC concentration level used while studying 5-6 1/6th is 1.6666667 appx or 16.667 % leaving 83.3333

412559642100x83.333

343799564100 times faster than human though

1 Flash hour is 343799564100 times more productive than a human hour (Potentially produced work)

m=m01v2c2−−−−−√

Δt=Δt1v2c2−−−−−−√

6,912 languages on earth x2000 hours Time takes to master a new language (approx) 138224000 hours to master all 1Fh=343799564100-138224000=343661340100

books

129,864,880 (books in world) avg book length 100,000 words (250 to 300) words per minute flash 275x343799564100=9.454488e+13 (Flashes PAGES Per minute)

1,2986488e+13 pages in all books

⇒Flash could Read every book, study every language watch ever movie on par FF speed in less than 1 hour!

IMAGINE THAT

http://www.proofwiki.org/wiki/Einstein's_Mass-Velocity_Equation

http://storytime.booklamp.org/2012/03/19/how-long-is-the-average-book-a-concrete-answer-to-a-longstanding-writing-faq/

http://thenextweb.com/google/2010/08/05/how-many-books-are-in-the-world-google-actually-counted/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute

#45 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash will clear