@randomsid: Dude, you said time dilation was a thing that Gladiator flew through and that the F4 had to be protected from. When told this was not how time dilation works you said that comic physics are not equivalent to real world physics and that you were right. You made up your own definition for time dilation (at first, possibly a mistake) and then when corrected called someone else wrong and said that they just don't understand it like you understand it because "comic physics are different." At that point it is a lie. You said something incorrect and then tried to defend it with poor logic and a red herring when the truth was revealed. Saying that Gladiator was fast enough to move in the relatively frozen effect Reed was experiencing is perfectly valid and a feat, it's the rest of the crap and then continuing to assert that time was frozen despite both logical and direct evidence to the contrary and your own, nebulous and incorrect, definition of time dilation is where you lie. You seem to think that just because some of the things you said weren't lies that nothing was. If this offends you then, well, don't lie and when you make a mistake own up to it instead of trying to continue misleading people.
Ok, there is almost no difference between what I said and what you are saying. The comic said that everything was frozen relative to them. Gladiator was not, he was flying the same speeds he would normally fly. How is that hard to understand? That is what I was saying. So, just because you failed to understand what I was saying doesn't mean anything I said was a lie. Was I wrong about him flying through it effortlessly? Sure, I forgot he was exhausted later, but the fact remains that while everything else was frozen, he was moving at his normal speeds. The ONLY difference between what you are saying, and what I originally said is that later on Reed goes on to say that it isn't technically frozen, but that relative to them it is. That doesn't change the fact that Gladiator still flew through the same area where everything else was frozen, at his normal speeds.
All you had to do was admit you screwed up the definition of what time dilation is and how it pertains to that feat and it wouldn't have gotten this far. But I'm guessing you have a really hard time admitting when you're wrong or when you make a mistake. It just ends up with you digging your hole deeper and deeper until we get into this situation where you're deflecting blame by playing the victim because I said you lied. I don't just call anyone I disagree with a liar on this forum -- I only do it to point out how obviously incorrect and duplicitous what they're saying is.
Ahh but see, you called me a liar because you did not understand(not sure how you could possibly fail to understand) what I was saying. So tell me, what is the difference between flying through an area where everything else(despite the fact that it is normally FTL) is at a standstill, and flying through an area that is frozen in time? In both instances the things around you are not moving. So again, what is the difference?
Bart had to go back to Earth to warn everyone about Superboy Prime coming, as he escaped the red sun lamp prison he and Wally put him in after Infinite Crisis. Superboy Prime had a significant head start and is a better dimension traveler than Bart so, to give Bart the boost he needed to beat Superboy Prime there, Wally, Barry and Bart combined their effort to charge Bart with as much energy as they could -- the reason they sent Bart is that Wally didn't want to risk taking his wife and kids through the Speed Force and Barry coming back would've obviously been a weird adjustment. This resulted in the entire Speed Force getting contained within Bart because, as you'd expect, Wally Barry and Bart combining their efforts is quite effective. Ever since he put on The Flash costume he had the entire Speed Force inside of him up until Inertia removed it.
Ok, that answers when he got the Speed Force contained inside him, but it doesn't answer my question about exactly how fast he could move at that point. Anyway, about to go to bed now so, maybe I'll have time to check the thread before work tomorrow.
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