Both are at their most powerful and there are two scenarios.
Scenario 1: Despite being at their most powerful, they have their normal displayed competence levels.
Scenario 2: They are both granted competence.
Firelord vs. Iceman
" @termiteone4ever said:He could freeze his blood." Iceman was that powerful ? to beat Firelord. How powerful was iceman ? "Seconded. When did Iceman become powerful enough to even last 10 seconds with Firelord, let alone "godomp" him? "
" @Freefa11 said:Firelord hasn't been shown to be a better firecontroller as Johnny Storm or even Pyro for that matter. Iceman wins here." @termiteone4ever said:He could freeze his blood. "" Iceman was that powerful ? to beat Firelord. How powerful was iceman ? "Seconded. When did Iceman become powerful enough to even last 10 seconds with Firelord, let alone "godomp" him? "
http://www.comicvine.com/firelord/29-7108/
" @TheCerealKillz said:Firelord's raw power output is far greater than either of them, as are his strength, speed, and durability." @Freefa11 said:Firelord hasn't been shown to be a better firecontroller as Johnny Storm or even Pyro for that matter. Iceman wins here. "" @termiteone4ever said:He could freeze his blood. "" Iceman was that powerful ? to beat Firelord. How powerful was iceman ? "Seconded. When did Iceman become powerful enough to even last 10 seconds with Firelord, let alone "godomp" him? "
"so wait if iceman can beat firelord a herald then he can beat thanos a level below sky father and if he can beat thanos he can beat odin and if he can beat odin he can beat galactus? there is no way a omega level being can beat a herald in power just as there is no way ghost rider can beat galactus power diffrence is too much(ghost rider stare only works on those who have souls and as warlock has stated galactus has no soul) "
What? Firelord isn't even that strong, just because Iceman beats him doesn't mean he can beat Thanos, don't know where your getting that from. And the last bit of your post is irrelevant, seeing as it has nothing to do with the topic.
@MrRagePants said:
"Iceman is so over rated. Freeze blood is bull when he wouldn't even know what hit him. "Overated? No. Iceman is not.
iceman is so becoming the new storm on this site. there is no way that he is beating a herald of galactus.
And Iceman is an mutant class omega, that controls molecules of the air...
even Spiderman is able to defeat the Firelord, no many people know this, but Spidey needed two issues to defeat him... Bobby could defeat him too, he is not the great thing...
" @Freefa11: the firelord can lift 50 tons moves fast and can create extreme temperatures, but it seems that his fire is not more powerful than the Human Torch's fire (both of them)... And Iceman is an mutant class omega, that controls molecules of the air... even Spiderman is able to defeat the Firelord, no many people know this, but Spidey needed two issues to defeat him... Bobby could defeat him too, he is not the great thing... "
you got to be kidding me man. firelord is a freaking herald who could trade blows with ss and you think he's not powerful than human torch? and you actually use the biggest marvel pis as evidence?
firelord fought phoenix back in the day. he got beat. but he took on the phoenix. bobby has no chance.
"firelord fought phoenix back in the day. he got beat. but he took on the phoenix. bobby has no chance. "
did he really? do you know which issue?
Its one of Bobby's greatest feats that nobody knows about.
sound pis to me. what were the exact circumstances? got scans? i just don't see how ice can defeat an abstract cosmic entity.
Me and Strafe Power are good with information of Iceman.
that seems incredibly silly. i don't see how ice can hurt a cosmic entity like that. was oblivion enfeebled in some way?
Fact is, Iceman can defeat Oblivion and there has yet to be shown any evidence of it being PIS, so, he Bobby can take Firelord.
Oblivion has a daughter, the being known as Mirage, who assumed the human form of Marge Smith. As Marge Smith, Mirage tried to turn Robert Drake, the superhero Iceman, against her father. In return, Oblivion used three aliens known as White Light, the Idiot and Kali to attack his daughter. He also tried to turn Iceman against Mirage, but in the end Iceman convinced the two to settle their differences peacefully.
this is what i could find on that storyline what happened after that scan?
yeah i am going to have to find those issues so i can read it for myself. because i am still calling pis. because there is no way ice should be able to hurt someone that i have seen exist in outer space. just doesn't make sense. horrible writing.
"@mrtrickster: Yeah, that Oblivion. Bobby beat him. Most people on this site are quick to call Iceman overrated, fact is. Bobby is a BAMF, and unless you speak with someone with good knowledge on him, you won't get that. Me and Strafe Power are good with information of Iceman. "
now if that's true then it's just purely pis. oblivion is on freaking eternity level. do you really think bobby could beat him? and this won't do bobby any good. because logically people on oblivion level could blink iceman to death
now that's the biggest pis on marvel history, this is bigger than spiderman beating firelord.
i am not saying that iceman is not powerful. just not powerful enough to take on a herald of galactus.firelord is not just a fire user. he has cosmic power. i mean he has been defeated by mystique and sentinels
i was reading up on oblivion. and it said that he generally has no physical forms. but sometimes give shape to a small portion of himself. his daughter and the characters iceman fought were aspects of oblivion. not actually a full powered untouchable oblivion. i am still going to have to read that comic to see for sure.
Also, to add to my argument before I go to sleep, Oblivion made his first appearance in the Iceman mini series so calling PIS on it is subject.
"@charlieboy: Yeah, but at his max competent levels, he's plenty capable of taking Firelord. Also, to add to my argument before I go to sleep, Oblivion made his first appearance in the Iceman mini series so calling PIS on it is subject. "
if it's that way, then marvel made a big mistake to make oblivion so powerful later didn't they?so it doesn't matter does it? and really, c'mon dude you really want to use beating oblivion as an argument? i mean that's like some spiderman fan using defeat firelord as an arguement
i see what you are saying. but to me that says that oblivion was not well fleshed out. but knowing what we know about oblivion now.iceman defeated an aspect of oblivion. because there is no way he should be able to beat a full power oblivion.
and i still don't see iceman beating firelord. but we can agree to disagree. but i give you props for knowing some obscure iceman trivia. have a good night sir.
"@Amegashita: i see what you are saying. but to me that says that oblivion was not well fleshed out. but knowing what we know about oblivion now.iceman defeated an aspect of oblivion. because there is no way he should be able to beat a full power oblivion. and i still don't see iceman beating firelord. but we can agree to disagree. but i give you props for knowing some obscure iceman trivia. have a good night sir. "
he can't defeat oblivion period!
sometines things happen in comics that make no sense.
"@charlieboy said:"@Amegashita: i see what you are saying. but to me that says that oblivion was not well fleshed out. but knowing what we know about oblivion now.iceman defeated an aspect of oblivion. because there is no way he should be able to beat a full power oblivion. and i still don't see iceman beating firelord. but we can agree to disagree. but i give you props for knowing some obscure iceman trivia. have a good night sir. "he can't defeat oblivion period! sometines things happen in comics that make no sense. "
like being bitten by a radioactive spider, or being hit by a gama ray and turning into a green guy with anger managment problems or there being an x-gene that gives people powers or that there is a cosmic entity that flys around in purple garmets and eats planets, you should be more careful when you say things that make no sence....
P.S Iceman is fully capable of taking on Firelord, i give it to Iceman.
" @GreenLantern555 said:Whoops! Wrong Firelord... I was thinking this was the Avatar Firelord. My bad..." @TheCerealKillz said:Firelord's raw power output is far greater than either of them, as are his strength, speed, and durability. "" @Freefa11 said:Firelord hasn't been shown to be a better firecontroller as Johnny Storm or even Pyro for that matter. Iceman wins here. "" @termiteone4ever said:He could freeze his blood. "" Iceman was that powerful ? to beat Firelord. How powerful was iceman ? "Seconded. When did Iceman become powerful enough to even last 10 seconds with Firelord, let alone "godomp" him? "
"@mrtrickster said:"@charlieboy said:like being bitten by a radioactive spider, or being hit by a gama ray and turning into a green guy with anger managment problems or there being an x-gene that gives people powers or that there is a cosmic entity that flys around in purple garmets and eats planets, you should be more careful when you say things that make no sence.... P.S Iceman is fully capable of taking on Firelord, i give it to Iceman. ""@Amegashita: i see what you are saying. but to me that says that oblivion was not well fleshed out. but knowing what we know about oblivion now.iceman defeated an aspect of oblivion. because there is no way he should be able to beat a full power oblivion. and i still don't see iceman beating firelord. but we can agree to disagree. but i give you props for knowing some obscure iceman trivia. have a good night sir. "he can't defeat oblivion period! sometines things happen in comics that make no sense. "
you could play with your porky mouth or you could actually explain how iceman wins.
Oblivion is an enternal cosmic being, even beating an abstract of him (though that is refutable) is still a higher end feat then most things you can come up with for someone in Iceman's level, disregarding his Omega status.
Iceman didn't beat Oblivion. That scan is misconstrued and contrary to popular belief it's been used before. How is Iceman going to take a high-tier cosmic-level being when he's been held at gunpoint by Mystique? How can people actually believe he defeated Oblivion, a being arguably equal to Eternity and Infinity [according to Quasar which he appears in after his first appearances in Iceman's Limited Series, he was made out to be Eternity/Infinity's polar opposite to my recollection]? That's almost as heinous as Storm's argument of being able to take on The One Above All [or whoever Storm fanboys say she can take, I don't keep up with that jargon].
What REALLY happened in Iceman vs. Oblivion was Oblivion made it look like Iceman defeated him because he wanted Marge [who was his daughter Mirage] to realize her purpose and accept the fact that she was not Marge and that she was Mirage, a cosmic abstract. This much is stated on the very next page. In fact, it's debatable if that fight even happened or not, it's strongly suggested that the whole thing was an illusion throughout the last two issues especially due to the fact that after everything was said and done, Bobby woke up out of Oblivion's realm [which he notes after waking up that it exists outside of time and space].
After the posted page of Iceman supposedly fighting off Oblivion and defeating him, Oblivion explains he plotted it all and refers to it as his "dance." Promptly after Mirage accepts her role as Mirage, he seeks to consume Iceman who arguably doesn't exist anymore [due to the fact that I think it was in issue 3 that they went back in time and in a fight Bobby's dad was killed, thus stopping him from ever being born in the mainstream universe supposedly, but again, it's arguable whether that really happened or not] and does so. Iceman shows impeccable will after becoming consumed and returns over and over and gives some spiel about how he does exist [due to love, like out of some sort of bad 80's film] and how he doesn't belong to Oblivion and eventually Oblivion lets him go. Mirage asks if Iceman hurt him, to which Oblivion replies "far from it."
Iceman never posed a threat to Oblivion. In fact, their conversation in the earlier issues had him tell Bobby outright that he could blink him out of existence of he willed it. He was merely using Iceman as a pawn to get to Mirage.
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