Firelord vs. Firestorm

We don't got no water, let the motherf*cker burn!  Battle begins in the middle of the Sahara desert.  Who wins? 

Firestorm.

Firestorm

"Firestorm."

I think Firelord can beat original Firestorm although the new Firestorm is more powerful

Firelords powers are simply pyrokinetic there is nothing he can do except control fire.
While Firestorms powers probably wouldn't allow him to transmute a herald of Galactus, it gives him a greater variety, and he should win here...

"Firelords powers are simply pyrokinetic there is nothing he can do except control fire.
While Firestorms powers probably wouldn't allow him to transmute a herald of Galactus, it gives him a greater variety, and he should win here..."

true each herald uses their power differently but have same potential

It says on wikipeida that he can project energy from his staff and eyes, and has power over the electromagnetic spectrum...
Neither it nor vine say anything about transmutation or something similar...

"It says on wikipeida that he can project energy from his staff and eyes, and has power over the electromagnetic spectrum...
Neither it nor vine say anything about transmutation or something similar..."

It also says FL has the power output of a small star... I'm having second thoughts...

Firelord as a herald can easily take this...

"I don't think that this is true... Firelord prefers to use his power cosmic as cosmic flame but that doesn't mean he can only control flames"

If Firelord has been written to only control flames through the power Cosmic, then that's what he can do. Heralds like him, Terrax, Morg, and Fallen One don't use the power Cosmic in the same manner that Silver Surfer does.

Scarlet Thor said:

"Well the electromagnetic spectrum goes beyond just fire...
I don't know about matter I haven't red that much of him but certainly can affect more than just flames"

Prove he can effect more than flames.

Akira Overdrive said:

"Firelord as a herald can easily take this...

Each herald uses there powers different...Firelord's flame is cosmic."

Firestorm's scope of power is greater, even though Firelord is a Herald. I don't wanna say this, but I don't think it's a stretch that Firestorm could use his transmutation abilities against him...

You want me to prove what?
That he can control the EM spetrum?
It's in his bio. I don't have scans

"You want me to prove what?
That he can control the EM spetrum?
It's in his bio. I don't have scans"

"Scarlet Thor said:

"You want me to prove what?
That he can control the EM spetrum?
It's in his bio. I don't have scans"

OK. According to his bio, he has control over the EM spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. He doesn't have complete control, and even if he had it, it wouldn't help. Under his weaknesses, it says that molecular dispersion kills him. Firestorm has molecular control over matter. He wins."

i like to help u scarlet but so hard to find scans of firelord cause i know he can take down firestorm

"Yes but we don't know if the power cosmic will allow his molecules to be transmuted.
If I recall correctly Sersi was unable to affect a heralds molecules as well"

"i know he can take down firestorm"

you know funny how people like to use low showings in threads and try to negate their entire ability by one bad showing i guess heralds are pushovers since what Black Panther did to SS

"you know funny how people like to use low showings in threads and try to negate their entire ability by one bad showing i guess heralds are pushovers since what Black Panther did to SS"

"Scarlet Thor said:

"Yes but we don't know if the power cosmic will allow his molecules to be transmuted.
If I recall correctly Sersi was unable to affect a heralds molecules as well"

What does his weakness say, Scarlet? And, Sersi's molecular control is not as great as Firestorm's. If you're gonna believe a bio that says he can control the EM spectrum, why can't you believe his weakness?

"As for the Heralds they seem to have total control over their molecules."

One's an elemental, the other is a Cosmic. I tend to go with Cosmics in that regard.

"Scarlet Thor said:

"As for the Heralds they seem to have total control over their molecules."

So, you're saying that him being weak to molecular dispersion isn't true?"

In Annihilation, Firelord was actually revived by that kinda power. When Kllr't (Super Skrull) was fighting with someone, they bumped into Firelord's 'corpse' and the energy revived him. I am unsure if Firestorm could really affect Firelord.

"In Annihilation, Firelord was actually revived by that kinda power. When Kllr't (Super Skrull) was fighting with someone, they bumped into Firelord's 'corpse' and the energy revived him. I am unsure if Firestorm could really affect Firelord."

"Molecular destruction can come by destroying the molecules by using great power. Molecular transmutation means severing the atomic bonds. And while I believe Firestorm can do the first it will be highly impossible to achieve the other"

"Scarlet Thor said:

"Molecular destruction can come by destroying the molecules by using great power. Molecular transmutation means severing the atomic bonds. And while I believe Firestorm can do the first it will be highly impossible to achieve the other"

I haven't seen Firestorm do that, but I think he could, since he is normally fused with Martin Stein (who is a scientist) in the Firestorm matrix. His ability to alter molecules is limited by his will and imagination. And, when fused with someone with considerable scientific knowledge, his abilities are greater than normal.  "

just like everyone says u cant transmute supes should apply more to a  cosmic being

Well, you can transmute Supes. DC just doesn't like the idea of it and keeps trying to make him resistant to everything.

pretty soon dc wont have to worry when they lose the rights to him

"pretty soon dc wont have to worry when they lose the rights to him"

"just like everyone says u cant transmute supes should apply more to a  cosmic being"

"One's a DC, the other is a Marvel. I tend to go with Marvel in that regard."

"Rei-Kai said:

"One's a DC, the other is a Marvel. I tend to go with Marvel in that regard."

"

"HalJordan1986x said:

"Rei-Kai said:

"One's a DC, the other is a Marvel. I tend to go with Marvel in that regard."

"

O_o"

"pretty soon dc wont have to worry when they lose the rights to him"

"pretty soon dc wont have to worry when they lose the rights to him"

"Well its true"

"DC is losing the Rights to Superman ?

WOW
"

Firelord.OVERKILL.

What can Firelord do to Firestorm?

"What can Firelord do to Firestorm?"

"The Man of Yesteryear said:

"What can Firelord do to Firestorm?"

Beat him to death."

"King Saturn said:

"DC is losing the Rights to Superman ?

WOW
"

I doubt it

DC has Warner Bros backing them up and they have too much money"

"Beat him to death."

"Vance Astro said:

"Beat him to death."

Intangiblity. Not happening."

"Vance Astro said:

"Beat him to death."

Intangiblity. Not happening."

What makes you think Firestorm can't just turn him into a Daisy or something?

"What makes you think Firestorm can't just turn him into a Daisy or something?"