Firelord vs Black Adam

Adam stomps

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

This

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

You do realize that is considered one of the greatest examples of PIS in the universe, right?

@Baldy said:

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

You do realize that is considered one of the greatest examples of PIS in the universe, right?

No I had no Idea!!!!! Holy crap this is news to me!!!

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Firelord wins cause he was able to fight Dark Phoenix.

When did Firelord ever fight Dark Phoenix? IIRC he lost to Green Phoenix.

Adam stomps

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

Adam hands down.

@King Saturn said:

Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord

@BlueLantern1995 said:

@CitizenBane It wasn't a full fledged fight but Firelord did fight Dark Phoenix in the issue where Shadowcat first debuted.

Firelord never even appeared in UXM #129, so........

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Firelord wins 

Black Adam

Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord 

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Firelord gets snuffed

@czarny_samael666 said:

@King Saturn said:

Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord

So, You beelive that he can survive cosecutive attack and flames that were able to stun Surfer, while Surfr said that they are hotter than star's fire?

@Stronger said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Enough to hurt Surfer.

So what?

Black Adam doesn't play.He is gonna speedblitz him and rip his head off.

@czarny_samael666 said:

@King Saturn said:

Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord

So, You beelive that he can survive cosecutive attack and flames that were able to stun Surfer, while Surfr said that they are hotter than star's fire?

@Stronger said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Enough to hurt Surfer.

The list of things that can stun and hurt Surfer while not being hotter than the fire of a star (come on, descriptive terms like that mean nothing) are extensive. Legacy managed to stun and hurt Surfer with a photonic blast. He would not last longer than 5 minutes against Adam.

@CitizenBane said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@King Saturn said:

Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord

So, You beelive that he can survive cosecutive attack and flames that were able to stun Surfer, while Surfr said that they are hotter than star's fire?

@Stronger said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Enough to hurt Surfer.

The list of things that can stun and hurt Surfer while not being hotter than the fire of a star (come on, descriptive terms like that mean nothing) are extensive. Legacy managed to stun and hurt Surfer with a photonic blast. He would not last longer than 5 minutes against Adam.

@Morpheus_: Did Adam struggle with the Canary Cry because it was somehow written as that powerful or because of his enhanced hearing amplifying the effect (does he even have enhanced hearing?). There was an issue of BOP where the Cry affected Power Girl more than normal humans because she could hear it so much louder.

@czarny_samael666:

@Morpheus_: I just checked it, it's from JSA #6. Adam does mention that he has enhanced senses in that issue, when Sand tries to blind him he remarks "With my heightened senses I can hear you blink, I can smell the sweat evaporating off your skin!". That and the fact that he had a brain tumor during that fight (which didn't seem to slow him down that much, but still) might make it a tad more believable, though still dubious for the most part.

BA ftw. He, like Capt Marvel, can withstand what appear to be high end heat vision blasts from Superman without lasting damage. As Superman's heat vision is reported as hotter than the core of the sun, then I believe he can handle anything that Firelord puts out. Firelord on the other hand is not as strong as BA and I don't believe he can withstand the power of BA's physical attacks.

@Morpheus_: He's one of those characters with a really nifty powerset, like Mirror Master or Jack Hawksmoor. They never get enough attention.

@KMART4455 said:

@czarny_samael666:

Come on thats outright PIS and we all know it. I mean Spiderman even knocked out Thanos, so are you telling me thanos would lose to everyone above say Spiderman?

@Morpheus_: Thanks. I actually wasn't that interested in Mar-Vell to begin with, but I was interested in Genis, and since trying to live up to his father's legacy was a major part of his story I thought reading up on Mar-Vell would give me a better understanding of Genis. I liked Marv's story too, so now I'm reading up on Phyla as well.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

@CitizenBane Firelord did appear but not in the issue I mentioned it is X-Men #105 As I stated it wasn't a full on battle but it did happen and they pretty much stalemated each other and then a few issues later she destroys a galaxy.

That was Green Phoenix, not Dark Phoenix. And it was not a stalemate. Kril had his ass kicked all the way to New Jersey.

As far as I know, Jean only destroyed a galaxy as Dark Phoenix during the Dark Phoenix Saga, which took place between Uncanny X-Men #129-138, and Firelord did not appear in any of those issues. Green Phoenix was much weaker than Dark Phoenix.

@CitizenBane: When had she destroyed a Galaxy? She ate a star and destroyed the a Solar System....

@Killemall said:

@KMART4455 said:

@czarny_samael666:

Come on thats outright PIS and we all know it. I mean Spiderman even knocked out Thanos, so are you telling me thanos would lose to everyone above say Spiderman?

lol

@Killemall said:

@KMART4455 said:

@czarny_samael666:

Come on thats outright PIS and we all know it. I mean Spiderman even knocked out Thanos, so are you telling me thanos would lose to everyone above say Spiderman?

Or Squirrel-Girl for that matter.

@KMART4455: If you really look at Spiderman and people who he has fought and done well against, the list includes hulk (although spiderman never really beat him they fought for entire comics, 14 pages), Juggernaut (actually beat him by making him fall in a wet cement), Firelord, Thanos (the same series where thanos lost to Squarrel girl), and in Infinity Gauntlet saga Spiderman fought and did a pretty good job against Thanos with IG while he was using only power gem and erm lost to Bullseye in a h2h fight :p.

Black should win here.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Silver Surfer would beat Black Adam and Firelord has proven to be a pain to Silver Surfer so I think that Firelord would win here.

Surfer has manhandled Firelord in the past. While holding back.

So what?

Black Adam doesn't play.He is gonna speedblitz him and rip his head off.

The list of things that can stun and hurt Surfer while not being hotter than the fire of a star (come on, descriptive terms like that mean nothing) are extensive. Legacy managed to stun and hurt Surfer with a photonic blast. He would not last longer than 5 minutes against Adam.

BA ftw. He, like Capt Marvel, can withstand what appear to be high end heat vision blasts from Superman without lasting damage. As Superman's heat vision is reported as hotter than the core of the sun, then I believe he can handle anything that Firelord puts out. Firelord on the other hand is not as strong as BA and I don't believe he can withstand the power of BA's physical attacks.

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@czarny_samael666: How does that prove Firelord's heat is hotter than a sun? Surfer attributes his need to fly away to Galactus' science, not Firelord's heat. And Surfer also had no difficulty absorbing Firelord's heat and defeating him with it. Am I supposed to believe Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

And Adam was knocked back by Superman's heat vision. He took no lasting damage from it.

We don't know the true extent to Firelord's powers. Im going with Black Adam.

@czarny_samael666: How does that prove Firelord's heat is hotter than a sun? Surfer attributes his need to fly away to Galactus' science, not Firelord's heat. And Surfer also had no difficulty absorbing Firelord's heat and defeating him with it. Am I supposed to believe Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

And Adam was knocked back by Superman's heat vision. He took no lasting damage from it.

@czarny_samael666: @czarny_samael666 said:

Still, Surfer said by himself that he can take star's heat, but he can't take Firelord's.

Because it is not the heat, it is the alien science of Galactus. You can see it in your scan.

@czarny_samael666 said:

This means that Firelord's is greater/hotter/more powerfull.

Sorry, no it is just a sort of energy that surfer can not handle.

Diggin' this thread

@czarny_samael666 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@czarny_samael666: How does that prove Firelord's heat is hotter than a sun? Surfer attributes his need to fly away to Galactus' science, not Firelord's heat. And Surfer also had no difficulty absorbing Firelord's heat and defeating him with it. Am I supposed to believe Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

And Adam was knocked back by Superman's heat vision. He took no lasting damage from it.

Still, Surfer said by himself that he can take star's heat, but he can't take Firelord's. This means that Firelord's is greater/hotter/more powerfull. BA couldn't take Supe's strike without being hurt, so I don't see how it is a feat that tell us that he can take similar (stronger acctually) shot from Firelord? Even opposite, if one short shot could knocked him back (and it is hard to belive that Superman started with full power, it isn't in his character), then what real chance he has against Firelord's heat (that was also able to hurt Thor, who survived in heart of sun)? As fact we do know, that Surfer and Thor were hurt by Firelord's heat. According to Surfer's opinion, it is more dangerous than star's heat. So question is: Do we know any scan in which Black Adam is taking similar shot easily? One with Superman is actually point for Firelord, since Supe was able to put down BA (not KO).

You're ignoring the fact that Surfer attributed Firelord's heat to Galactus' science, not his own innate heat. And you're also ignoring the fact that in that same fight, Surfer defeated Firelord by absorbing large quantities of his heat and blasting him with it. Again, am I supposed to believe that Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

Where was Adam hurt? He was pushed through a wall. And then he got back up and continued fighting. There was no sign of any damage. Surfer and Thor have been hurt by many, many things that were not as hot as the sun. Your problem is that you're looking at this through the lens of their high-end durability feats rather than where their durability lies on average. Are Legacy's photonic blasts as powerful as attacks supposedly hotter than the sun? Nope. And yet they managed to hurt the Surfer. Are Explorer's energy attacks as powerful as attacks supposedly hotter than the sun? Nope. And yet they managed to hurt the Surfer. Are we going to claim that all of those attacks must be more powerful than the heat of the sun? Are we going to pretend that characters always display durability on an unyielding level?

You posted a fight between Firelord and Thor as proof of his physical durability. At the same time, he's also been stomped by the Surfer:

And slapped around by Terrax:

So really, one feat does not a character make.

Adam would curbstomp Firelord. He's by far the weakest Herald next to Air-Walker.

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