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#1 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

 

Firelord
Black Adam
Distance between them - 10 km. 
Battlefield: Universe 616, near one of destroyed (by Annihilus) Skrull planets They can fight only in space (none of them wants to bring this fight to the planet)
Both in character. Firelord belives that Black Adam is one of Annihilus' Centurions that still lives in 616. 
No prep. No knowledge about enemy.
 
Point of this thread: This is test for Adam's durability for high level energy projection and Firelord's durabiltiy to blunt force.
#2 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam stomps

#3 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

#4 Posted by fatalfury77 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

This

#5 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

You do realize that is considered one of the greatest examples of PIS in the universe, right?

#6 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@Baldy said:

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

You do realize that is considered one of the greatest examples of PIS in the universe, right?

No I had no Idea!!!!! Holy crap this is news to me!!!

#7 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Firelord wins cause he was able to fight Dark Phoenix.

When did Firelord ever fight Dark Phoenix? IIRC he lost to Green Phoenix.

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#8 Posted by King Saturn (223834 posts) - - Show Bio
Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord 
#9 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio
@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?
#10 Posted by The_Insane (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam hands down.

#11 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@King Saturn said:

Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord
#12 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

It wasn't a full fledged fight but Firelord did fight Dark Phoenix in the issue where Shadowcat first debuted.

Firelord never even appeared in UXM #129, so........

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#13 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

#14 Posted by Bo88gdan (4393 posts) - - Show Bio

Firelord wins 

#15 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Adam

#16 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio
@King Saturn said:
Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord 
So, You beelive that he can survive cosecutive attack and flames that were able to stun Surfer, while Surfr said that they are hotter than star's fire?
 
@Stronger said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.


Enough to hurt Surfer.
#17 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2664 posts) - - Show Bio

Firelord gets snuffed

#18 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@King Saturn said:
Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord
So, You beelive that he can survive cosecutive attack and flames that were able to stun Surfer, while Surfr said that they are hotter than star's fire?

@Stronger said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Enough to hurt Surfer.

So what?

Black Adam doesn't play.He is gonna speedblitz him and rip his head off.

#19 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@King Saturn said:
Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord
So, You beelive that he can survive cosecutive attack and flames that were able to stun Surfer, while Surfr said that they are hotter than star's fire?

@Stronger said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Enough to hurt Surfer.

The list of things that can stun and hurt Surfer while not being hotter than the fire of a star (come on, descriptive terms like that mean nothing) are extensive. Legacy managed to stun and hurt Surfer with a photonic blast. He would not last longer than 5 minutes against Adam.

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#20 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@King Saturn said:
Black Adam should be able to handle Firelord
So, You beelive that he can survive cosecutive attack and flames that were able to stun Surfer, while Surfr said that they are hotter than star's fire?

@Stronger said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Stronger said:

Adam stomps

@KMART4455 said:

Adam wins.

Spiderman beat Firelord.......

So, You ca prove that Black Adam can take consecutive shot that is hotter than fire of typical star?

Firelord can't be a lot hotter than sun.

Enough to hurt Surfer.

The list of things that can stun and hurt Surfer while not being hotter than the fire of a star (come on, descriptive terms like that mean nothing) are extensive. Legacy managed to stun and hurt Surfer with a photonic blast. He would not last longer than 5 minutes against Adam.

#21 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: It kind of goes both ways, I have a hard time seeing the Surfer even flinching from the Canary Cry yet Adam struggled with it. McDuffie having Dinah somehow blow Amazo's head off aside.
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#22 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: Did Adam struggle with the Canary Cry because it was somehow written as that powerful or because of his enhanced hearing amplifying the effect (does he even have enhanced hearing?). There was an issue of BOP where the Cry affected Power Girl more than normal humans because she could hear it so much louder.

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#23 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

#24 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: It was in in one of the early JSA issues by Johns & Goyer. I don't recall Teth having enhanced senses akin to Kryptonians, though. Then again, Adam's subsequent thunderclap only knocked Dinah away instead of flaying the skin off her bones, so the whole thing is dubious.
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#25 Edited by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: I just checked it, it's from JSA #6. Adam does mention that he has enhanced senses in that issue, when Sand tries to blind him he remarks "With my heightened senses I can hear you blink, I can smell the sweat evaporating off your skin!". That and the fact that he had a brain tumor during that fight (which didn't seem to slow him down that much, but still) might make it a tad more believable, though still dubious for the most part.

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#26 Posted by the creator (8560 posts) - - Show Bio

BA ftw. He, like Capt Marvel, can withstand what appear to be high end heat vision blasts from Superman without lasting damage. As Superman's heat vision is reported as hotter than the core of the sun, then I believe he can handle anything that Firelord puts out. Firelord on the other hand is not as strong as BA and I don't believe he can withstand the power of BA's physical attacks.

#27 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: Cool, thanks for checking out. 
 
Speaking of Sand, he is an underrated character. Too bad he barely did anything after he became the new Sandman.
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#28 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: He's one of those characters with a really nifty powerset, like Mirror Master or Jack Hawksmoor. They never get enough attention.

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#29 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: Going through your Mar-Vell capability thread right now. Good work.
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#30 Posted by Killemall (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455 said:

@czarny_samael666:

Come on thats outright PIS and we all know it. I mean Spiderman even knocked out Thanos, so are you telling me thanos would lose to everyone above say Spiderman?

#31 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_: Thanks. I actually wasn't that interested in Mar-Vell to begin with, but I was interested in Genis, and since trying to live up to his father's legacy was a major part of his story I thought reading up on Mar-Vell would give me a better understanding of Genis. I liked Marv's story too, so now I'm reading up on Phyla as well.

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#32 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Firelord did appear but not in the issue I mentioned it is X-Men #105 As I stated it wasn't a full on battle but it did happen and they pretty much stalemated each other and then a few issues later she destroys a galaxy.

That was Green Phoenix, not Dark Phoenix. And it was not a stalemate. Kril had his ass kicked all the way to New Jersey.

As far as I know, Jean only destroyed a galaxy as Dark Phoenix during the Dark Phoenix Saga, which took place between Uncanny X-Men #129-138, and Firelord did not appear in any of those issues. Green Phoenix was much weaker than Dark Phoenix.

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#33 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: When had she destroyed a Galaxy? She ate a star and destroyed the a Solar System....

#34 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@KMART4455 said:

@czarny_samael666:

Come on thats outright PIS and we all know it. I mean Spiderman even knocked out Thanos, so are you telling me thanos would lose to everyone above say Spiderman?

lol

#35 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@KMART4455 said:

@czarny_samael666:

Come on thats outright PIS and we all know it. I mean Spiderman even knocked out Thanos, so are you telling me thanos would lose to everyone above say Spiderman?

Or Squirrel-Girl for that matter.

#36 Posted by Killemall (18308 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455: If you really look at Spiderman and people who he has fought and done well against, the list includes hulk (although spiderman never really beat him they fought for entire comics, 14 pages), Juggernaut (actually beat him by making him fall in a wet cement), Firelord, Thanos (the same series where thanos lost to Squarrel girl), and in Infinity Gauntlet saga Spiderman fought and did a pretty good job against Thanos with IG while he was using only power gem and erm lost to Bullseye in a h2h fight :p.

#37 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: I've read the bulk of Genis' appearances, I'm only missing some of his T-bolts appearances as Photon.
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#38 Posted by Nefarious (18841 posts) - - Show Bio

Black should win here.

#39 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Silver Surfer would beat Black Adam and Firelord has proven to be a pain to Silver Surfer so I think that Firelord would win here.

Surfer has manhandled Firelord in the past. While holding back.

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#40 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio
@Stronger said:

So what?

Black Adam doesn't play.He is gonna speedblitz him and rip his head off.

Black Adam flys slower than Firelord (who flies FTL). And Firelord in this scenario comes after BA, not opposite. He will have at least one strike. 
 
@CitizenBane said:


The list of things that can stun and hurt Surfer while not being hotter than the fire of a star (come on, descriptive terms like that mean nothing) are extensive. Legacy managed to stun and hurt Surfer with a photonic blast. He would not last longer than 5 minutes against Adam.

My opinion is based on this scan:
Firelord's fire is hotter than star's
@the creator said:
BA ftw. He, like Capt Marvel, can withstand what appear to be high end heat vision blasts from Superman without lasting damage. As Superman's heat vision is reported as hotter than the core of the sun, then I believe he can handle anything that Firelord puts out. Firelord on the other hand is not as strong as BA and I don't believe he can withstand the power of BA's physical attacks.

Can You show a scan or tell me where I can find it? Because IIRC, BA in his fight (in WW3?) was putted on his knees by Supe's HV. 
+he was able to take Thor's strikes in more than one occasion and never lose with him.
For example here:
#41 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: How does that prove Firelord's heat is hotter than a sun? Surfer attributes his need to fly away to Galactus' science, not Firelord's heat. And Surfer also had no difficulty absorbing Firelord's heat and defeating him with it. Am I supposed to believe Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

And Adam was knocked back by Superman's heat vision. He took no lasting damage from it.

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#42 Posted by IncludedPharoh (192 posts) - - Show Bio

We don't know the true extent to Firelord's powers. Im going with Black Adam.

#43 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

@czarny_samael666: How does that prove Firelord's heat is hotter than a sun? Surfer attributes his need to fly away to Galactus' science, not Firelord's heat. And Surfer also had no difficulty absorbing Firelord's heat and defeating him with it. Am I supposed to believe Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

And Adam was knocked back by Superman's heat vision. He took no lasting damage from it.

Still, Surfer said by himself that he can take star's heat, but he can't take Firelord's. This means that Firelord's is greater/hotter/more powerfull. BA couldn't take Supe's strike without being hurt, so I don't see how it is a feat that tell us that he can take similar (stronger acctually) shot from Firelord? Even opposite, if one short shot could knocked him back (and it is hard to belive that Superman started with full power, it isn't in his character),  then what real chance he has against Firelord's heat (that was also able to hurt Thor, who survived in heart of sun)? 
 
As fact we do know, that Surfer and Thor were hurt by Firelord's heat. 
According to Surfer's opinion, it is more dangerous than star's heat.
So question is: Do we know any scan in which Black Adam is taking similar shot easily? 
 
One with Superman is actually point for Firelord, since Supe was able to put down BA (not KO).
#44 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio
Weakened Adam vs Fate's energy
Weakened Adam vs Alan Scott's energy
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#45 Posted by Funcake (298 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: @czarny_samael666 said:

Still, Surfer said by himself that he can take star's heat, but he can't take Firelord's.

Because it is not the heat, it is the alien science of Galactus. You can see it in your scan.

@czarny_samael666 said:

This means that Firelord's is greater/hotter/more powerfull.

Sorry, no it is just a sort of energy that surfer can not handle.

#46 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Diggin' this thread

#47 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@CitizenBane said:

@czarny_samael666: How does that prove Firelord's heat is hotter than a sun? Surfer attributes his need to fly away to Galactus' science, not Firelord's heat. And Surfer also had no difficulty absorbing Firelord's heat and defeating him with it. Am I supposed to believe Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

And Adam was knocked back by Superman's heat vision. He took no lasting damage from it.

Still, Surfer said by himself that he can take star's heat, but he can't take Firelord's. This means that Firelord's is greater/hotter/more powerfull. BA couldn't take Supe's strike without being hurt, so I don't see how it is a feat that tell us that he can take similar (stronger acctually) shot from Firelord? Even opposite, if one short shot could knocked him back (and it is hard to belive that Superman started with full power, it isn't in his character), then what real chance he has against Firelord's heat (that was also able to hurt Thor, who survived in heart of sun)? As fact we do know, that Surfer and Thor were hurt by Firelord's heat. According to Surfer's opinion, it is more dangerous than star's heat. So question is: Do we know any scan in which Black Adam is taking similar shot easily? One with Superman is actually point for Firelord, since Supe was able to put down BA (not KO).

You're ignoring the fact that Surfer attributed Firelord's heat to Galactus' science, not his own innate heat. And you're also ignoring the fact that in that same fight, Surfer defeated Firelord by absorbing large quantities of his heat and blasting him with it. Again, am I supposed to believe that Firelord cannot stand his own heat?

Where was Adam hurt? He was pushed through a wall. And then he got back up and continued fighting. There was no sign of any damage. Surfer and Thor have been hurt by many, many things that were not as hot as the sun. Your problem is that you're looking at this through the lens of their high-end durability feats rather than where their durability lies on average. Are Legacy's photonic blasts as powerful as attacks supposedly hotter than the sun? Nope. And yet they managed to hurt the Surfer. Are Explorer's energy attacks as powerful as attacks supposedly hotter than the sun? Nope. And yet they managed to hurt the Surfer. Are we going to claim that all of those attacks must be more powerful than the heat of the sun? Are we going to pretend that characters always display durability on an unyielding level?

You posted a fight between Firelord and Thor as proof of his physical durability. At the same time, he's also been stomped by the Surfer:

And slapped around by Terrax:

So really, one feat does not a character make.

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#48 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio

Adam would curbstomp Firelord. He's by far the weakest Herald next to Air-Walker.

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#49 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: Nova would like a word with you.

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#50 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

@Vance Astro: Nova would like a word with you.

Forgot about her.
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