We have all seen cases of Extreme PIS or CIS or Loebforce. Like Tchalla putting a armlock on Silver Surfer or Squirrel Girl beating anyone. I'm not talking about those extreme cases. I'm talking about fights that are not absurd but should have gone another way. For instance: Deadpool beating Taskmaster while Deadpool was in handcuffs. What are your examples?
Let's see; Jen turn back to human form and goes through a 'Rocky Balboa'-esque training montage to make her a stronger, better fighter and then she promptly goes into the ring and almost effortlessly utterly humiliates the Elder of the Universe whom has devoted his entire existence ( literally eons ) to mastering every form of unarmed combat in the universe and developing the physical attributes that compliment his skills (strength, speed, stamina, durability). Yeah, that's PIS/absolute Bullsh** stoytelling for you.
In Civil War, in one of the Final Battles, Cap Beats Iron Man, because Vision compromises Iron Man's suit. I thought that was BS, especially since Cap was fighting Dirty. Not like him. Bad writing, IMO.
@PowerHerc: Thank you for bringing that up. That was garbage
@crmidnight: People forget that Cap in a SOLDIER who fights in real WARS. It was a team battle and he used his team mates skills to the fullest. Plus Iron Man was in the most advanced armor in the world against a human. Cap just made it man to man.
" @PowerHerc: Thank you for bringing that up. That was garbage
@crmidnight: People forget that Cap in a SOLDIER who fights in real WARS. It was a team battle and he used his team mates skills to the fullest. Plus Iron Man was in the most advanced armor in the world against a human. Cap just made it man to man. "
It wasn't man to man. Without power in Ironman's suit, I don't think he can move because we're talking a suit that weighs more than he does. It wouldn't be man to man of Tony can't move. Especially not when Tony is unarmed and Cap has that shield. Not man to man.
Havok beating Vulcan... twice. I don't care if he abosrbs energy "passed his limits" (which in it of itself should be an impossibility), there is no way Havok should have been able to even stand against Vulcan, given the scope and level of his powers.
@crmidnight: I can't remember. Did the suit just fall off? Regardless, this was "WAR". Was Cap supposed to just get beat down? I thought in battle your objective is to neutralize any advantage your opponent has. I don't think disarming your opponent is dirty.
" We have all seen cases of Extreme PIS or CIS or Loebforce. Like Tchalla putting a armlock on Silver Surfer or Squirrel Girl beating anyone. I'm not talking about those extreme cases. I'm talking about fights that are not absurd but should have gone another way. For instance: Deadpool beating Taskmaster while Deadpool was in handcuffs. What are your examples? "
" @crmidnight: I can't remember. Did the suit just fall off? Regardless, this was "WAR". Was Cap supposed to just get beat down? I thought in battle your objective is to neutralize any advantage your opponent has. I don't think disarming your opponent is dirty. "
In that panel, Cap actually quoted, "It's my turn to fight dirty!" 'Nuff said...
i was going to say storm vs. wonder woman. but someone already beat me. i did not really mind she-hulk beating champion because he did not have the power gem during the fight which is what usually gives him the edge.
@crmidnight: Ok if Cap said it was "dirty" then it was. But i have seen Cap use his shield to hit people in the back of the head. Cap is always looking to get the upper hand in a fight. I have no idea why he thought that was "dirty".
"Squirrel Girl defeating anyone. Thor vs Supers crossover when he stopped Thor's hammer like that with his hand is just plain r%^$#%*@ "
JUST about to say that! Pissed me off when that happen. That was total BS. TERRIBLE writing... But then again, Amalgam isn't Canon, so technically, that never happened.
@charlieboy: even without the power gem Champion has been fighting for BILLIONS of years. Jen is a lawyer and after a few weeks of training she can beat him. Champion has conquered entire worlds. her beating him was kinda lame. did you see the way they drew Champion? they made him look like a homeless bum. Now look at him in deadpool comics. She couldn't beat that Champion.
@Susanoo: I can live with Supes beating Thor. But stopping his hammer mid swing..........................GARBAGE!!
"Squirrel Girl defeating anyone. Thor vs Supers crossover when he stopped Thor's hammer like that with his hand is just plain r%^$#%*@ "
JUST about to say that! Pissed me off when that happen. That was total BS. TERRIBLE writing... But then again, Amalgam isn't Canon, so technically, that never happened. "
Lol ikr. Still, it gives Superman fanboys an excuse to use against Thor in debates.
@pooty: i know but champion probably would have lost more of his battles without the power gem. and i really did not enjoy the art in that particular she-hulk issue. i was glad when they changed artists.
"Squirrel Girl defeating anyone. Thor vs Supers crossover when he stopped Thor's hammer like that with his hand is just plain r%^$#%*@ "
JUST about to say that! Pissed me off when that happen. That was total BS. TERRIBLE writing... But then again, Amalgam isn't Canon, so technically, that never happened. "
Lol ikr. Still, it gives Superman fanboys an excuse to use against Thor in debates. "
It doesn't hold up for the fact that it's Non-Canon. Had it been Cannon, it WOULD be the perfect excuse.
"Squirrel Girl defeating anyone. Thor vs Supers crossover when he stopped Thor's hammer like that with his hand is just plain r%^$#%*@ "
JUST about to say that! Pissed me off when that happen. That was total BS. TERRIBLE writing... But then again, Amalgam isn't Canon, so technically, that never happened. "
Lol ikr. Still, it gives Superman fanboys an excuse to use against Thor in debates. "
It doesn't hold up for the fact that it's Non-Canon. Had it been Cannon, it WOULD be the perfect excuse. "
That doesn't stop them from using it xD. Oh and In Marvel Zombies, Wolverine killing the Juggernaut.
@pooty: those don't really bother me either. cyclops' head was not really in the game. and ororo is a pretty skilled hand to hand combatant. i think callisto just got cocky and underestimated her.
"Squirrel Girl defeating anyone. Thor vs Supers crossover when he stopped Thor's hammer like that with his hand is just plain r%^$#%*@ "
JUST about to say that! Pissed me off when that happen. That was total BS. TERRIBLE writing... But then again, Amalgam isn't Canon, so technically, that never happened. "
Lol ikr. Still, it gives Superman fanboys an excuse to use against Thor in debates. "
It doesn't hold up for the fact that it's Non-Canon. Had it been Cannon, it WOULD be the perfect excuse. "
That doesn't stop them from using it xD. Oh and In Marvel Zombies, Wolverine killing the Juggernaut. "
That's true. Wolvie killing the Juggernaut was BS, but at least it was in the zombieverse... Another one would be Batman beating Captain America, but again...Non Cannon...
" @PowerHerc: Thank you for bringing that up. That was garbage
@crmidnight: People forget that Cap in a SOLDIER who fights in real WARS. It was a team battle and he used his team mates skills to the fullest. Plus Iron Man was in the most advanced armor in the world against a human. Cap just made it man to man. "
It wasn't man to man. Without power in Ironman's suit, I don't think he can move because we're talking a suit that weighs more than he does. It wouldn't be man to man of Tony can't move. Especially not when Tony is unarmed and Cap has that shield. Not man to man. "
In Avengers Prime #3, Tony's suit had no power but he was able to move in it normally. He said it was "just a suit of armor now."
" @PowerHerc: Thank you for bringing that up. That was garbage
@crmidnight: People forget that Cap in a SOLDIER who fights in real WARS. It was a team battle and he used his team mates skills to the fullest. Plus Iron Man was in the most advanced armor in the world against a human. Cap just made it man to man. "
It wasn't man to man. Without power in Ironman's suit, I don't think he can move because we're talking a suit that weighs more than he does. It wouldn't be man to man of Tony can't move. Especially not when Tony is unarmed and Cap has that shield. Not man to man. "
In Avengers Prime #3, Tony's suit had no power but he was able to move in it normally. He said it was "just a suit of armor now." "
But unarmed, none the less. Wasn't really a fair fight then. At that point, Tony had no real chance of winning.
@Susanoo: BP vs SS should NEVER have even been thought of. lol @charlieboy: Storm can beat him in H2H and maybe Cyke didn't use his blast to keep it fair so i feel you on that. @crmidnight: If writers from both Marvel and DC come to an agreement on a fight why is that not considered Canon? i have never understood that. Do you think crossovers should be allowed?
" @Susanoo: BP vs SS should NEVER have even been thought of. lol @charlieboy: Storm can beat him in H2H and maybe Cyke didn't use his blast to keep it fair so i feel you on that. @crmidnight:If writers from both Marvel and DC come to an agreement on a fight why is that not considered Canon? i have never understood that. Do you think crossovers should be allowed? "
Crossover's SHOULD be allowed, but it's likely to never happen. The two brands probably couldn't come to an agreement. Their logics wouldn't agree. Neither brand would want their character to lose. It's more trouble than it's worth.
" @Susanoo: BP vs SS should NEVER have even been thought of. lol @charlieboy: Storm can beat him in H2H and maybe Cyke didn't use his blast to keep it fair so i feel you on that. @crmidnight: If writers from both Marvel and DC come to an agreement on a fight why is that not considered Canon? i have never understood that. Do you think crossovers should be allowed? "
@crmidnight: With the armor Captain America had no chance of beating Iron Man. He evened the odds in his favor which is the point of war. And Cap needed the shield to get through the armor. Because even a depowered armor is still protection from regular fist.
@Sherlock: i still don't understand how Zoom hurts people. Zoom is a regular human in terms of strength and durability. so if Superman is standing still and Zoom hits him at the speed of sound....shouldn't Zoom's bones shatter on contact?
" @crmidnight: With the armor Captain America had no chance of beating Iron Man. He evened the odds in his favor which is the point of war. And Cap needed the shield to get through the armor. Because even a depowered armor is still protection from regular fist. "
If he evened the odds, the fight would be fair. He smited Ironman. And yes, Cap did need a shield to get through the armor, but the shield was a weapon, nonetheless, which in that instance, Iron Man had no weapons. I was hoping to see an epic final battle between these two. I was disappointed.
" @Sherlock: i still don't understand how Zoom hurts people. Zoom is a regular human in terms of strength and durability. so if Superman is standing still and Zoom hits him at the speed of sound....shouldn't Zoom's bones shatter on contact? "
Yeah that doesnt make much sense from what ive heard he hits harder than superman which wouldnt be possible due to his powers being time slowing and not superspeed
" @crmidnight: What could have made it fair? with armor Tony ABSOLUTELY wins. H2H Cap ABSOLUTELY wins. How would you have made it fair? "
Not saying it should have absolutely been fair, I'm saying both combatants should have a fighting chance. Ironman suit vs. Captain America w/Shield = Fighting Chance Compromised Suit vs. Captain America w/Shield = No Fighting Chance
The reason I keeping saying fair is because a straight up battle makes for an interesting scene rather than Cap beating on a motionless piece of armor... At least if the suit wasn't compromised, we as viewers would have gotten an epic battle out of this. Cap, though at a disadvantage, still has a chance to win using his combat expertise and his battlefield knowledge. Iron Man with a compromised suit against Captain America with a vibranium shield has NO chance of winning, and the fight isn't as epic... Not even a fight at all.
@pooty: crossovers should be allowed but managed well. please do not teleport batman to Thanos lair and try to convince us Bats won. thats major league BS
@crmidnight: Remember Tony has Extremis Armor that has downloaded Cap's fighting style. Even with the shield Cap had no chance of winning. But with Extremis in his system doesn't that make Tony stronger and faster than Cap. So maybe they should have fought without the shield or armor and see if Tony's enhanced abilities can match Steve's fighting ability. @Sherlock: Black Adam. Doesn't he get his power from Shazam also. Are the gods that power him that much stronger than the gods that power Shazam? And BA resisting Martian Manhunter telepathic attack is Bullsh$t!! That man saw his whole planet burn. BA aint seen nothing like that.
@termiteone4ever: Thor's hammer is magic so when a being using magic like Juggs does stops it i can see that. But stopping Mjolnir based off strength is crap.
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