Fictional badasses - Round 1: Fetts vs Mr. Ingenuity

Winner decided by votes. First to 5 votes wins. Votes can only be changed once. Anyone except the users in the thread name can vote. If one of the users involved does not enter the discussion within 48 hours then they forfeit.

BATTLEFIELD

Teams start in/on a large office building. Fetts' team starts on the ground floor, Mr Ingenuity's are dropped on the roof. The office building contains twenty three floors, floors 1-20 are simple office floors with an array of cubicles. Floors 21-22 are construction sites with debris lying everywhere and staircases leading to the roof. There is scaffolding on the bottom five floors of the building and a window washing platform on the roof that goes down the left side. Outside the building to the left, is a construction site where several partially built houses are situated. A busy road leads to the front door and the remaining sides are surrounded by open fields full of grass. Throughout the building are different materials typically found in an office building your teams can use however they wish

FIRST TEAM TO BE ELIMINATED.

MEMBERS CAN SPLIT UP AND WANDER ON THEIR OWN.

AMMUNITION AND WEAPONS CAN BE SHARED BETWEEN TEAM MEMBERS OR PICKED UP BY OPPOSITION.

Mr_Ingenuity

John Preston - Katana & custom pistols and mags.

Ethan Hunt - Pistol, Combat knife, Grenade, and flash grandes.

Raizo - Katanas, Kyoketsu-Shoge, 2 smoke grenades, Shurikens.

Wesley Gibson (Movie) - His costume Hand guns and bullets with machete.

Team: Gas masks, Flash lights, Infrared vision goggles,Vests.

Fetts

Data - M240 w/ thermal scope and armor piercing rounds, RPG, tricorder, combat knife, 3 semtex grenades

Chuck Bartowski - Silenced AK-74, Silenced SPAS-12 w/ heartbeat sensor, Silenced M9, combat knife, 3 semtex grenades, kevlar suit

Storm Shadow - Katana, Naginata, 25 throwing stars, combat knife, 3 semtex grenades

Captain Fordo - ACR Grenadier w/ holographic sights, SPAS-12, Desert Eagle, vibroknife, 3 EMP grenades

@Fetts@Mr_Ingenuity Once you have finalized your equipment list for each (following the guidelines in the original thread here) post them on this and I shall add them to the OP. If you don't, each member of your team will be given a default equipment list consisting of:

Standard AK-47 (1x 40 bullet detachable magazine + 1x 10 bullet detachable magazine)

FN P90 (1x 50 bullet detachable box magazine)

Colt Python (6-inch barrel, six round cylinder. 25 bullets)

Combat Knife

3 Frag Grenades.

WINNER PROGRESSES TO THE QUARTER-FINALS.

FETTS: 1 MR_INGENUITY: 0

@CapFanboy

Why are we only doing one match at a time?

@Fetts said:

@CapFanboy: Is our teams aware of our opponents' abilities?

No. I know about the equipment, I was just wondering if you wanted to change it or anything.

@nickzambuto said:

@CapFanboy

Why are we only doing one match at a time?

Currently there are ten participants, so I need to knock them down to 8 for the quarter finals. I would have more than one at a time but I don't want to miss/cock up anything in this one here. The tourney shouldn't take long...as long as everyone makes their vote.

@Fetts:

Equipment in or order of team.

Katana & custom pistols and mags.

Pistol, Combat knife, Grenade, and flash grandes.

Katanas, Kyoketsu-Shoge, 2 smoke grenades, Shurikens.

His costume Hand guns and bullets with machete.

Team: Gas masks, Flash lights, Infrared vision goggles,Vests.

John Preston fighting is the gun kata. Which he puts himself in the perfect position to dodge aim and bullet fight path. He is the highest ranking of his class and can take on multiple opponents at once. Also has proficient use of a katana.

First video might be to hard to see.

2:16 second half.

Raizo is a ninja and trained in the art of stealth. So his second most notable feat is at pulling a hit on Yakuza. Note the scenes below is very graphic.

Jango beating Jedi is worthless as a physical feat; it was a result of combat skill, not physicality. And even as a combat feat, the showing is practically useless; there is nothing impressive about beating up no-name, featless Jedi, many of whom were never even focused on him. Jango was losing against Tor Viszla and only fought evenly with him at best later on, and Vizsla himself is a completely normal human in physical stats with little to no combat feats of his own. So let's not exaggerate.

Fordo has never hurt Durge either. In fact, Fordo and his entire company of clones were incapable of even harming Durge to any significant extent. Durge plowed through most of them, with the rest only surviving because of Obi-Wan's intervention.

I'll be AFK for a several hours.

Fett gets my vote for now

Now as far as team work John Preston, Ethan Hunt, Wesley Gibson are exceptional in that area. Ethan Hunt being a field and operation leader.

Now advantage goes to me with high ground. Because elevators will be cut and stairs will be watched. Also my team has stealth advantage seeing how three out of four has stealth feats.

Now the the most versatile on my team go to Wesley having reaction time, being a bullet timer, and excellent at prep.

Now unless Data eye is bullet proof it dose not matter. With all things considered.

@Silver2467 said:

Jango beating Jedi is worthless as a physical feat; it was a result of combat skill, not physicality. And even as a combat feat, the showing is practically useless; there is nothing impressive about beating up no-name, featless Jedi, many of whom were never even focused on him. Jango was losing against Tor Viszla and only fought evenly with him at best later on, and Vizsla himself is a completely normal human in physical stats with little to no combat feats of his own. So let's not exaggerate.Fordo has never hurt Durge either. In fact, Fordo and his entire company of clones were incapable of even harming Durge to any significant extent. Durge plowed through most of them, with the rest only surviving because of Obi-Wan's intervention.

Over 10,000 posts and still a n00b. smh

Prep feat.

@nickzambuto: nick go on your alt and talk to him like that before you make yourself look bad

@menaceforever said:

@nickzambuto: nick go on your alt and talk to him like that before you make yourself look bad

No, I wanted to point out his n00bness, and I don't need to hide behind an alt to do it.

every Jedi has TK abilities

But I refuse to believe that a man with absolutely no powers beating a group of 20 Jedi with his bare hands is just another case of "kicking the crap out of cannon fodder".

Also not to mention ARC troopers were personally trained by Jango Fett himself. So I'd imagine Jango taught them quite a few things in terms of combat skill.

What do you mean he didn't hurt him? IIRC Fordo electrocuted Durge which caused him to scream in pain. That's why he was angered so much.

Over 10,000 posts and still a n00b. smh

i guess you aint a b*tch @nickzambuto:

@Silver2467 said:

@Fetts said:

every Jedi has TK abilities

Too bad none of them used it against Jango. And, no, not every Jedi has TK either.

But I refuse to believe that a man with absolutely no powers beating a group of 20 Jedi with his bare hands is just another case of "kicking the crap out of cannon fodder".

Well, they are. No-name Jedi are often like no-name Green Lanterns: they are foils to make another character look good, especially if shown in numbers like a dozen to twenty. The fact that absolutely none of the Jedi Jango fought displayed any kind of Force proficiency or power should speak for itself. And as I already mentioned, Jango had considerably more trouble against Vizsla, another character with limited feats and no superhuman physical stats. So once again, let's not pretend Jango beating up nameless Jedi is somehow a great feat, because if it is, he certainly has quite a few lesser showings to contradict it.

Also not to mention ARC troopers were personally trained by Jango Fett himself. So I'd imagine Jango taught them quite a few things in terms of combat skill.

This might matter if and when Fordo actually gains some combat skill feats.

What do you mean he didn't hurt him? IIRC Fordo electrocuted Durge which caused him to scream in pain. That's why he was angered so much.

So shooting a cable at Durge's head while he stands there and does nothing and then watching Durge as he proceeds to knock you to the ground and prepare to crush you is a feat now? To repeat, Fordo's whole company was inefficient against Durge. He was running through them easily and was about to kill Fordo had Obi-Wan not burst Durge apart from the inside.

@nickzambuto said:

Over 10,000 posts and still a n00b. smh

Flag button still works, friend. Say hello to the powers that be and give them my regards for me.

I didn't do anything wrong. You broke the rules of the tournament by interfering in a match.

You broke the rules of the tournament by interfering in a match.

Now with my team moving as a team will have each others back to prevent ambush. With John and Wesley leading. Adding to Ethan and Raizo equipment providing cover at any time. Also Raizo will take to the ceiling to watch movement from a safe position.

Now the only problem I can really for see is storm shadow. Only if my team can't keep up with his movement. But with infrared vision I doubt.

Being overly out classed Chuck goes down first. With Data being the hardest to kill Wesley takes out his eye as seen in his rampage and distance is not a problem with the bullets he uses.

Which leaves Storm Shadow and Captain Fordo. Depending on the scans you can provide. Captain Fordo armor might be able to stand up against bullets. But his visor most likely isn't that durable.

The best scenario I can come up with for my team is Storm Shadow is left and Ethan coming out severely wounded or dead. But the other three finishing Storm shadow off.

@Fetts: Looking at Data's feats his main problem is variables. The more their are his chances of reproducing it is slim.

I'm looking for feats he apply to combat. Because the feats I see shows no sign they can be duplicated in a gun fight.

@nickzambuto said:

You broke the rules of the tournament by interfering in a match.

I'm not arguing for any side. I offered information on a subject I know more about than most other users on this site. It would be rather unfortunate if showings were given as legit or accurate when in fact they weren't and this played a role in one party winning or losing. This is not the first time I have done this either, and in none of those cases did I stick around to present a case or in any other fashion "interfere" with the debate.  In any case, if Fetts wants me to stop correcting him, he can tell me that himself. Baiting me as you did, which is an interference, is hardly an appropriate response.

@Fetts said:

every Jedi has TK abilities

Too bad none of them used it against Jango. And, no, not every Jedi has TK either.
 

But I refuse to believe that a man with absolutely no powers beating a group of 20 Jedi with his bare hands is just another case of "kicking the crap out of cannon fodder".

Well, they are. No-name Jedi are often like no-name Green Lanterns: they are foils to make another character look good, especially if shown in numbers like a dozen to twenty. The fact that absolutely none of the Jedi Jango fought displayed any kind of Force proficiency or power should speak for itself. And as I already mentioned, Jango had considerably more trouble against Vizsla, another character with limited feats and no superhuman physical stats. So once again, let's not pretend Jango beating up nameless Jedi is somehow a great feat, because if it is, he certainly has quite a few lesser showings to contradict it.
 

Also not to mention ARC troopers were personally trained by Jango Fett himself. So I'd imagine Jango taught them quite a few things in terms of combat skill.

This might matter if and when Fordo actually gains some combat skill feats. 
 

What do you mean he didn't hurt him? IIRC Fordo electrocuted Durge which caused him to scream in pain. That's why he was angered so much.

So shooting a cable at Durge's head while he stands there and does nothing and then watching Durge as he proceeds to knock you to the ground and prepare to crush you is a feat now? To repeat, Fordo's whole company was inefficient against Durge. He was running through them easily and was about to kill Fordo had Obi-Wan not burst Durge apart from the inside.
 
@nickzambuto said: 

Over 10,000 posts and still a n00b. smh

Flag button still works, friend. Say hello to the powers that be and give them my regards for me.

Now unless Data eye is bullet proof it dose not matter. With all things considered.

@Fetts: See page 1 most of my debate is there. How my team will function and feats.

@Fetts: Plus this battle ending without direct confrontation is totals out of the question. Stating other wise without proof is pure speculation on your part. I've other wise proved a grate deal of my claims on reaction, stealth, and prep feats. Also gave information on characters you ask for. All I ask is the same information.

Note: I am a little tired now so if I misread your points then I apologize. 
 
@Mr_Ingenuity: Ah. I see I misread your first part. I thought it said you'd be setting up an ambush on my team rather than functioning as a team to prevent one. My mistake. 
 @Mr_Ingenuity said: 

@Fetts: Plus this battle ending without direct confrontation is totals out of the question. Stating other wise without proof is pure speculation on your part.

@Mr_Ingenuity

@Fetts: Looking at Data's feats his main problem is variables. The more their are his chances of reproducing it is slim.

I'm looking for feats he apply to combat. Because the feats I see shows no sign they can be duplicated in a gun fight.

 Also Raizo will take to the ceiling to watch movement from a safe position.

@Fetts:

Regarding Data in the first video he has trouble with dancing given he has to improvise. Listen to what he says at 5:36

Then his speed feat he has the ample amount of time to assess the structure before building the replica. What i'm asking for is a video of his combat feats not just stated abilities.

Data is not quicker on the draw see John Preston and Wesley's videos.

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

Depending on the scans you can provide. Captain Fordo armor might be able to stand up against bullets. But his visor most likely isn't that durable.

What I want here is durability feats of his armor. Which would give me some accurate information. Sorry I'm being so skeptic.

We will move via stairs. That is why elevators will be cut. No climbing up the wire for ambush. And lights are not a problem with infrared goggles.

Now in regards to Raizo he is up there for good reason. He has notable feats for staying in the shadows here & here. Which doubles as information for teammates in an office area.

The shooting the floor scenario is very hard to believe. With the John and Wesley leading clearing floors deemed necessary before proceeding. Also cutting the time down with infrared. Also rendering attacks useless. Even if you decide on RPG which annihilates your floor and take out only two of my people. With the rest on the stairs waiting for the all clear to move to the next floor. With Raizo and Ethan ready to provide flash grenades and smoke that will make it hard to see and breath. Hence the gas mask & goggles.

Then we have final confrontation in the event we meet. You may have a great set up all ready in place. But on instincts my first two will move for cover ( being bullet timers and dodgers) followed by a flash and finally smoke. In which the fight breaks out and every one proves their worth.

Raizo then moves for the ceiling. Ethan follows at appropriate time. RPG is once aging irreverent unless Data can survive. Grenade has a contained blast IMO that will not take the floor.

The ninja should go for each other, and other three are looked in gun battle. In a smoke filled room. That can render your team unconscious.

@Fetts:

Regarding Data in the first video he has trouble with dancing given he has to improvise. Listen to what he says at 5:36

Then his speed feat he has the ample amount of time to asses the structure before building the replica. What i'm asking for is a video of his combat feats not just stated abilities.

Data is not quicker on the draw see John Preston and Wesley's videos.

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

Depending on the scans you can provide. Captain Fordo armor might be able to stand up against bullets. But his visor most likely isn't that durable.

What I want here is durability feats of his armor. Which would give me some accurate information. Sorry I'm being so skeptic.

The shooting the floor scenario is very hard to believe. With the John and Wesley leading clearing floors deemed necessary before proceeding. Also cutting the time down with infrared. Also rendering attacks useless. Even if you decide on RPG which annihilates your floor and take out only two of my people. With the rest on the stairs waiting for the all clear to move to the next floor. With Raizo and Ethan ready to provide flash grenades and smoke that will make it hard to see and breath. Hence the gas mask & goggles.

And lights are not a problem with infrared goggles.

Now in regards to Raizo he is up there for good reason. He has notable feats for staying in the shadows here & here. Which doubles as information for teammates in an office area.

Then we have final confrontation in the event we meet. You may have a great set up all ready in place. But on instincts my first two will move for cover ( being bullet timers and dodgers) followed by a flash and finally smoke. In which the fight breaks out and every one proves their worth.

Raizo then moves for the ceiling. Ethan follows at appropriate time. RPG is once aging irreverent unless Data can survive. Grenade has a contained blast IMO that will not take the floor.

The ninja should go for each other, and other three are looked in gun battle. In a smoke filled room. That can render your team unconscious.

Which Jedi don't have TK abilities if you don't mind me asking? 

Ya but the thing with the Green Lantern thing is that  they get taken down by people who actually have powers. If featless Green Lanterns were taken down by somebody without powers, would that not be considered a great feat for that powerless person (as absurd as that may sound)? Due to the fact that these Jedi are featless yes it's not absolutely amazing. But I definitely wouldn't call it unimpressive either. 

Well, there was that one badass scene on Coruscant... 
  

  Imho, that's the most badass performance a clone has ever pulled off. 

Does nothing? Durge was screaming in pain and getting angered quite a bit. I wouldn't quite say he shrugged that off. I feel like that's more of a feat for the electrocuting wrist cord. And perhaps a little bit of an intelligence feat too. Rather than hopelessly shooting his blasters at him he used a weapon that could have possibly put Durge down. Same thing happened on Hypori. Rather than hopelessly shoot at Grievous and get slaughtered, Fordo called in for the gunship as backup so they could complete their mission. Two examples of quick, intelligent thinking. 

@Fetts: Sorry for the grammar. There was a point in their somewhere. :)

You have down playing the level of skill my team has.

Only Storm Shadow and possibly Captain Fordo can keep up in combat speed.

Walking into a trap is not what will happen with these stats.

Raizo: Puling a disappearing trick on someone faster than him. Also fighting blind in some cases.

John: Perfected a crafted that giving him synergy with guns. Having faced multiple gunmen without even a graze.

Wesley: Being a bullet timer showing instant reflexes with precision. Against wall of gun fire.

Ethan: Who does unorthodox things that actually work like a modern day MacGyver.

Your team.

Chuck: Super Spy but still not in the same league.

Data: Who is hand to hand specialist and advance AI. But fighting androids who are much slower. Doesn't exceed my team in any gun skills. Notable speed if not consistent. Still on the fence if actually bullet proof.

Captain Fordo:Has fought Jedi in hand to hand (good so far). Field leader all right. Cloned for war and best in his class. Good match up. But best feats are in another series.

Storm Shadow: Full fledged ninja, bullet timer and consistent speed and reflexes take on multiple opponents with ease.

The tricorder has many diffident verities and functions. But you only seem to be using it's sensors along with heartbeat sensor. But does not balance your teams handicap.

Because aim is what you need for faster and more agile opponents.

What I will concede to your positions it give you the ability to avoid ambush and makes for direct confrontation. Which means a frontal assault my team is well prepped for.

@Fetts: Sorry for the grammar. There was a point in their somewhere. :)

You have down playing the level of skill my team has.

Only Storm Shadow and possibly Captain Fordo can keep up in combat speed.

Walking into a trap is not what will happen with these stats.

Raizo: Puling a disappearing trick on someone faster than him. Also fighting blind in some cases.

John: Perfected a crafted that giving him synergy with guns. Having faced multiple gunmen without even a graze.

Wesley: Being a bullet timer showing instant reflexes with precision. Against wall of gun fire.

Ethan: Who does unorthodox things that actually work like a modern day MacGyver.

Your team.

Chuck: Super Spy but still not in the same league.

Data: Who is hand to hand specialist and advance AI. But fighting androids who are much slower. Doesn't exceed my team in any gun skills. Notable speed if not consistent. Still on the fence if actually bullet proof.

Captain Fordo:Has fought Jedi in hand to hand (good so far). Field leader all right. Cloned for war and best in his class. Good match up. But best feats are in another series.

Storm Shadow: Full fledged ninja, bullet timer and consistent speed and reflexes take on multiple opponents with ease.

The tricorder has many diffident verities and functions. But you only seem to be using it's sensors along with heartbeat sensor. But does not balance your teams handicap.

Because aim is what you need for faster and more agile opponents.

What I will concede to your positions it give you the ability to avoid ambush and makes for direct confrontation. Which means a frontal assault my team is well prepped for.

@Fetts: Chuck is in no way shape or form above Ethan. Have to deal with that first.

Team work

Team work and craziness.

Being a pure bred leader he is not afraid to take the lead roll.(see what i did there) I'll get back to the rest of your post soon.

@Fetts: Their is not only one way to you. But let continue on the current scenario. You ask "What is stopping them." Absolutely nothing.So Do it.

The questions you should be asking is how effective will it be. I mean two shoots lasers weapons regularly and the other one is Chuck. :P

Chuck can't Flash without increased adrenalin or stress. Which take three seconds on the show IIRC. He'll be dead before then. Still not standing a chance after.

I can still knock out Chuck and maybe Captain. Them needing air and all that silliness.

Mentioning some thing I still want to discus.

How this.

Is Compared with these

And hitting multiple people with no hassle. 0:58

@Fetts said:

Data>Storm Shadow=Raizo>Wesley Gibson>Captain Fordo=John Preston>Chuck Bartowski>Ethan Hunt
or
Data>Storm Shadow>Raizo>Wesley Gibson>John Preston>Captain Fordo>Chuck Bartowski>Ethan Hunt

No No No No No. On so many levels no.

Storm shadow is the only one who can take on Raizo with the help of Wesley and hold his own till help comes. Data can't take Wesley one on one. And Is really just a team coordinator with durability. Yep i said it.

Addressing Captain Fordo. What I thought I under understood (dramatic face) is all a lie. Please help me out. On his feats not stated ability. What physical feat has he done?

Now that door.Who is going thew? Well you guessed right. Wesley and John and Raizo. In that order.

Now I imaging the door is 36 inches width and has standard hinges. Now I'm going to keep imaging and try to write.

Coming from the top of the top satires three well placed bullets and kick will bring it down. Wesely will also bring presents 1 flash and 1 smoke grande. Which will blind and suffocate anyone without signification endurance and relying on clean air. My team has equipment ready. From there Chuck will be dead. Don't question death It is absolute.

In a second later is John. Without being grazed lays down cover fire in already smoke filing room. Next is Raizo pulling his disappearing act enters the room. Some thing to this effect. But with no light.

0:48

Now with the ninjas locked in fighting. Ethan has appeared. Bullets raging, Data is struggling to hit his target John. Then sent Ca Boom via frag from our trusty Ethan. Who all this time was actually annoying Storm Shadow. With those pesky bullets. From cover.

While Raizo was getting slashed. For the oddest reason would not die. And amazingly landed some hits on Storm Shadow. Storm Shadow has the same amazement. John lends a hand and bullets to end things quicker.

Off in another corner Captain and Wesley have been locked battling all this time. Wesley who is armed with a guns and machete in hand. Not having the ability to harm each other. The battle is stalemate.

Storm Shadow has finally done it he got Ethan. And what a bloody mess Ethan is. Storm shadow still going with John and Raizo.

John gets an idea switches with Wesley. Finishing off the Captain. After swift blows to the face from the butt of his pistols.

Not willing to make things easy Storm Shadow goes in to finish Wesley with his Naginata. Stop by a seriously bloody Raizo missing a left arm. Uses his right arm to hold his Kyoketsu-Shoge. He hold it for dear life. Hoping his teamwork will pay off. And it dose. John still not graze and Wesley with no visible wounds delivers a barrage of bullets No one can hope to survive.

I'm not hard I'm just having fun.

@nickzambuto said:

I didn't do anything wrong. You broke the rules of the tournament by interfering in a match.

What rule?...

@Fetts: Their is not only one way to you.

The questions you should be asking is how effective will it be. I mean two shoots lasers weapons regularly and the other one is Chuck. :P

@Fetts: Chuck is in no way shape or form above Ethan. Have to deal with that first.

Team work

Team work and craziness.

Being a pure bred leader he is not afraid to take the lead roll.(see what i did there) I'll get back to the rest of your post soon.

Chuck can't Flash without increased adrenalin or stress. Which take three seconds on the show IIRC. He'll be dead before then. Still not standing a chance after.

Mentioning some thing I still want to discus.

How this.

Is Compared with these

And hitting multiple people with no hassle. 0:58

@Fetts said:

Data>Storm Shadow=Raizo>Wesley Gibson>Captain Fordo=John Preston>Chuck Bartowski>Ethan Hunt
or
Data>Storm Shadow>Raizo>Wesley Gibson>John Preston>Captain Fordo>Chuck Bartowski>Ethan Hunt

No No No No No. On so many levels no.

Storm shadow is the only one who can take on Raizo with the help of Wesley and hold his own till help comes. Data can't take Wesley one on one. And Is really just a team coordinator with durability. Yep i said it.

Addressing Captain Fordo. What I thought I under understood (dramatic face) is all a lie. Please help me out. On his feats not stated ability. What physical feat has he done?

Coming from the top of the top satires three well placed bullets and kick will bring it down. Wesely will also bring presents 1 flash and 1 smoke grande. Which will blind and suffocate anyone without signification endurance and relying on clean air. My team has equipment ready. From there Chuck will be dead. Don't question death It is absolute.

In a second later is John. Without being grazed lays down cover fire in already smoke filing room. Next is Raizo pulling his disappearing act enters the room. Some thing to this effect. But with no light.

0:48

Now with the ninjas locked in fighting. Ethan has appeared. Bullets raging, Data is struggling to hit his target John. Then sent Ca Boom via frag from our trusty Ethan. Who all this time was actually annoying Storm Shadow. With those pesky bullets. From cover.

While Raizo was getting slashed. For the oddest reason would not die. And amazingly landed some hits on Storm Shadow. Storm Shadow has the same amazement. John lends a hand and bullets to end things quicker.

Off in another corner Captain and Wesley have been locked battling all this time. Wesley who is armed with a guns and machete in hand. Not having the ability to harm each other. The battle is stalemate.

Storm Shadow has finally done it he got Ethan. And what a bloody mess Ethan is. Storm shadow still going with John and Raizo.

John gets an idea switches with Wesley. Finishing off the Captain. After swift blows to the face from the butt of his pistols.

Not willing to make things easy Storm Shadow goes in to finish Wesley with his Naginata. Stop by a seriously bloody Raizo missing a left arm. Uses his right arm to hold his Kyoketsu-Shoge. He hold it for dear life. Hoping his teamwork will pay off. And it dose. John still not graze and Wesley with no visible wounds delivers a barrage of bullets No one can hope to survive.

I'm not hard I'm just having fun.

@Fetts:

@Fetts said:

@Mr_Ingenuity: *sigh*

What part of this do you not understand? YOUR. TEAM. WILL. BE. DEAD. BEFORE. THEY EVEN. TOUCH. THE. DOOR.

We know where you are at all times. Yes your team will be prepared for the possibility that somebody might be in that floor. But your team will think that my team doesn't know that your team is at the door. Only that they're more prepared then your team is (which is good enough really). They would have no way of knowing that we know where you are at all times. Thus they would not be expecting or prepared when we shoot through the wall before you team is even two feet from the door. Nothing stops us from doing that and you really haven't made any counter argument that suggests otherwise.

Raizo is full capable to hear heart beats from distances. He can tell is if you are lying by an elevated pule. He he heard the womans heart beat and knew that she had the same condition as the old man. He is the teams heartbeat sensor. He can also detect faint smells from days ago. He is the warning devise for the event your team is on a floor.

The reason I've posted no counter argument on the matter is because your skill level was still unclear to me. Which is why I tried to give an assessment the post above.

For my counter argument. Barricades are not stopping my team one grenade is all it takes to clear a wall and after entering support beams are enough cover. Assuming that they are made of concrete and steel rebar. And my team has the equipment to prove a great enough detraction for the onslaught of bullets. With a well timed flash to blind and a suffocating smoke screen. While your team has no counter for. It will not decrease my teams mobility due to handy equipment. Considering this fight is fought in complete darkness full of smoke works much in my favor and less in yours.

On why I question your teams accuracy is you had not prove their level of skill. Just their superior weaponry. But you have currently given me enough.

Concerning Chuck the flash and smoke will get him no doubt. Adding his equipment to my teams and the fact that they can pass it along helps my next case. None of your team has the slightest second to acquire their fallen teammates equipment.

Data was captured by the Borgs tells me his reaction time in combat is no where around what you state it is. His hand speed is daunting for a normal human but combat speed/reaction time> abnormal hand speed.And assuming that all your team is carrying sticky grenades. Proves that Data will go down.

On the possibility Captain Fordo is still alive Ethan and John is enough to match and kill him.

Leaving one who has proved a formidable opponent. In this scenario he will not solo.

Sorry if offended you I meant for the last part to be comical. But clearly you when not amused. I tried to portray that with this.

I'm not hard I'm just having fun.

Meaning I'm not that desperate. Just for laughs.

But what I got was,

My main point is my team will make it into your floor. Using Raizo's abilities we know they are there and waiting to ambush. The barricade will prove little use.

@Fetts:

@Fetts said:

@Mr_Ingenuity: *sigh*

What part of this do you not understand? YOUR. TEAM. WILL. BE. DEAD. BEFORE. THEY EVEN. TOUCH. THE. DOOR.

We know where you are at all times. Yes your team will be prepared for the possibility that somebody might be in that floor. But your team will think that my team doesn't know that your team is at the door. Only that they're more prepared then your team is (which is good enough really). They would have no way of knowing that we know where you are at all times. Thus they would not be expecting or prepared when we shoot through the wall before you team is even two feet from the door. Nothing stops us from doing that and you really haven't made any counter argument that suggests otherwise.

Raizo is full capable to hear heart beats from distances. He can tell is if you are lying by an elevated pule. He he heard the womans heart beat and knew that she had the same condition as the old man. He is the teams heartbeat sensor. He can also detect faint smells from days ago. He is the warning devise for the event your team is on a floor.

For my counter argument. Barricades are not stopping my team one grenade is all it takes to clear a wall and after entering support beams are enough cover. Assuming that they are made of concrete and steel rebar. And my team has the equipment to prove a great enough detraction for the onslaught of bullets. With a well timed flash to blind and a suffocating smoke screen. While your team has no counter for. It will not decrease my teams mobility due to handy equipment. Considering this fight is fought in complete darkness full of smoke works much in my favor and less in yours.

On why I question your teams accuracy is you had not prove their level of skill. Just their superior weaponry. But you have currently given me enough.

Concerning Chuck the flash and smoke will get him no doubt. Adding his equipment to my teams and the fact that they can pass it along helps my next case. None of your team has the slightest second to acquire their fallen teammates equipment.

Data was captured by the Borgs tells me his reaction time in combat is no where around what you state it is. His hand speed is daunting for a normal human but combat speed/reaction time> abnormal hand speed.And assuming that all your team is carrying sticky grenades. Proves that Data will go down.

Sorry if offended you I meant for the last part to be comical. But clearly you when not amused. I tried to portray that with this.

I'm not hard I'm just having fun.

Meaning I'm not that desperate. Just for laughs.

But what I got was,

My main point is my team will make it into your floor. Using Raizo's abilities we know they are there and waiting to ambush. The barricade will prove little use.

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@Fetts:

In this clip you can see his training of his ears. At the time you can see he is 16 or 17.

I don't have video of that instant in question. But in clip #3 (above) he can hear ninja in the room without seeing them. Because he said "They are already in the room." All the while gun fire is in the back ground. Showing he is good at detection and warning.

Once again down playing my teams skill. Ethan is fit for this department. Remember the crazy but effective guy. That does the impossible.

You do know they are coming down stairs right.The whole idea of the breach is cover.

Why on earth would they go threw a door upreared for gun fire on any level?

Including fact the blast it self will cause detraction. Then the flash and smoke ensure their entering. Which your team has no way of knowing it's coming. And before you say they know your team is there. Do they know what to expect. For all my team knows there are for armed men behind that wall. Not a ninja, android, super spy, and clone.

Questions. How large do you imagine the stairwell? Because I imagine it quite large for a building 23 story building. Will any one besides Storm Shadow see threw the smoke screen?

My team has perfect operation precision and combat speed to boot.

There is no case you can make to say the wall is in impenetrable. Your only cases is to stop them which your team can't.

It is easier to say, they fire thew a wall. Thus winning. Than to say, they fight it out proving superior skill and speed. Thus winning.

Guys that have escaped point blank gun fire are taken out by spray and pray.

I wounder how that discussion would go down in a Bad A$$ after life.

*sigh* 
 
I'll bite. But for the record I'm ready to vote. 
 
@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@Fetts:

In this clip you can see his training of his ears. At the time you can see he is 16 or 17.

I don't have video of that instant in question. But in clip #3 (above) he can hear ninja in the room without seeing them. Because he said "They are already in the room." All the while gun fire is in the back ground. Showing he is good at detection and warning.

Once again down playing my teams skill. Ethan is fit for this department. Remember the crazy but effective guy. That does the impossible.

Why on earth would they go threw a door upreared for gun fire on any level?

Including fact the blast it self will cause detraction. Then the flash and smoke ensure their entering. Which your team has no way of knowing it's coming. And before you say they know your team is there. Do they know what to expect. For all my team knows there are for armed men behind that wall. Not a ninja, android, super spy, and clone.

Questions. How large do you imagine the stairwell? Because I imagine it quite large for a building 23 story building. Will any one besides Storm Shadow see threw the smoke screen?

My team has perfect operation precision and combat speed to boot.

There is no case you can make to say the wall is in impenetrable. Your on cases is to stop them which your team can't.

It is easier to say, they fire thew a wall than to say. Thus winning. Than to say, they fight it out proving superior skill and speed. Thus winning.

Guys that have escaped point blank gun fire are taken out by spray and pray.

I wounder how that discussion would go down in a Bad A$$ after life.

@Fetts said:

Only what they shoot. And I highly doubt CapFanboy would force us to use weapons we wouldn't know how to use in the first place.

You don't know cappie...xD Kidding. I'm going to make the other thread

@Fetts: I have to respectfully disagree for 3 reasons.

1. We can't agree on the scenario that leads to the fight in question.
2. I think the skills & feats trumps the given equipment. You think equipment gives them an edge above their feats.
3. I want the fight to happened. You obviously don't.

I have taken in to account that the way I conveyed information has not been the best at times. There is reason behind that i'm not going into but still on me.

But the debate still has been

So I can agree we should let votes the will decide the who moves on into the next round.

Gonna have to go with Fetts. Can I get that cookie you mentioned in you're match with beatboks?