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#1 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

Floopay's Fantasy Style Tournament Round 2

Omgomgwtfwtf

  • Maka: Black Blood dress
  • Soul Eater Evans: Spartoi Uniform
  • Medusa: Arachne's body and Artificial Clown
  • Ultear Malkovich: Standard Equipment
  • Boost: Tifa Lockhart
  • Boost: Boots of Noise

vs.

dccomicsrule2011

  • Kurumu Kurono
  • Mizore Shirayuki
  • Yukari Sendo
  • Batman
  • Boost: Ring of Regeneration
  • Boost: Ring of Shielding

vs.

thedarklordpandamonium - Standard Equipment

  • New-52 Deathstroke
  • Blink
  • Hawkeye (616)
  • Mesmero (with Suit)
  • Boost: Ryld Argith
  • Boost: 20 Bat Familiars

Scenario

Both teams have been hired to kill one another at the location given. Both teams are allowed to send their leaders to scout out the location beforehand.

Battle Conditions:

  • Each team is given 3 hours to prep and coordinate with one another, including exchanging gear, setting up ambushes and preparing for whatever is in store for them.
  • Each team is then given 5 minutes of prep time before the hunt/battle begins against one another.
  • Morals: On
  • In-Character
  • Teamwork is a factor
  • Both teams are out to fight (and kill if necessary) each other

Location:

Calimport

omgomgwtfwtf: Starts in the Emerald Ward.

dccomicsrule2011: Starts in the Armada Ward

thedarklordpandamonium: Starts in the Crypt Ward.

Details:

  • Fight takes place at Dusk, 30 minutes until the sun goes down (after the battle has started, not during prep)
  • Calimport measures 6 miles from east to west, and 3 miles from the cost to the far north.
  • The city has a population of 200,000 people. 95% of them are Human, and the rest is pretty evenly spread between half-elves and halflings. With a small population of half orcs, and etc.

  • Beneath the city is an expansive labyrinth of a sewer system populated by wererats. They are aggressive, resistant to telepathy, and attack outsiders who enter their domain.
  • The dark portion of the map on the south side is water, this is a port city.
  • There are shops, taverns, and etc. spread across all districts and wards.
  • The city is filled with spies, cutthroats, mercenaries, thieves, pickpockets, etc.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#2 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (27591 posts) - - Show Bio
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#4 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by dondave (38979 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be good

#7 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay Are we allowed to use the townspeople for help? Also are we allowed to access to the town's amenities (i.e. shops, taverns, mercenaries, etc.)?

@dccomicsrule2011 @thedarklordpandamonium

Okay, since no one wants to start it off. I will begin with my strategy, which is pretty simple. I will let you two kill each other, then I will come and kill you guys :)

I will begin the three hour prep by utilizing Medusa's snakes to create communication devices within everyone.

Ultear would then use her Lacrima orbs to survey the area and relay any information she can about the city.

After relaying the information back to the team Medusa will then use Vector Conduct to place markers all over the town for my team to use. These arrows are invisible to everyone, but my team.

Also, while that is all happening I will be using Maka's soul perception to scan the area for you guys. She will also be using this for general reconnaissance.

Read from right to left

Ultear will also be employing her transformation magic to disguise herself as a random individual. This will also be employed later on, but that will be explained a little later.

Read from right to left

#8 Edited by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Edited by dondave (38979 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay Are we allowed to use the townspeople for help? Also are we allowed to access to the town's amenities (i.e. shops, taverns, mercenaries, etc.)?

Yes.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#11 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@omgomgwtfwtf said:

@floopay Are we allowed to use the townspeople for help? Also are we allowed to access to the town's amenities (i.e. shops, taverns, mercenaries, etc.)?

Yes.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Sweet. Now I can go and hire myself an army :D

#12 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (27591 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf:@thedarklordpandamonium

@jokergeist: I'm up I'm up already =D

Just in case people do not know who my team is I will just post the same thing I posted in the last thread:

Kurumu:

Kurumu Kurono (黒乃 胡夢, Kurono Kurumu) is a Succubus and one of the most beautiful girls at Yōkai Academy, One of her goals was to take Tsukune from Moka. Despite her numerous sexual advances towards Tsukune, in actuality Kurumu is a very innocent character and genuinely yearns for Tsukune's love. It is said that should Tsukune not pledge his love for Kurumu, she will die, as the source of life is love for a succubus, coming from their destined ones.

Yukari:

Yukari Sendo (仙童 紫, Sendou Yukari) is a self-proclaimed genius and the smartest student at Yōkai Academy, despite being the youngest. She is a Witch and wears a typical witch costume (consisting of a hat and cape), which is considered by some students to be a violation of the school dress code.

Mizore:

Mizore Shirayuki (白雪 みぞれ Shirayuki Mizore?) is a snow women (Yuki-onna, also "abominable snowgirl") classmate of Tsukune and Moka.

I do not think Batman needs any introduction,I will post my plan and everything later.

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#13 Edited by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011: Haha your team consists of 3 schoolgirls and a Batman? Something seems amiss :P

#14 Edited by Dextersinister (6639 posts) - - Show Bio

Just to let you know TDLP had to go abroad on short notice. He told me about a week ago and said he had some pre-prepared message. Either Floopay has it or you should just go ahead as if he weren't here.

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#16 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011: Haha your team consists of 3 schoolgirls and a Batman? Something seems amiss :P

In Japanese media, three school girls are nigh invincible. Also speaking two of my teammates are school kids and one of them is an evil nurse :P

#17 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Hah, this is gonna be interesting. I'm keeping an eye on this debate.

#18 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 @thedarklordpandamonium

Okay my strategy for this tournament is to basically use the city to my advantage. By propagating madness through the town, I will create chaos. Not only will you guys have to fight the inhabitants, but each other as well. My team will remain on the sidelines, using our magic to screw around with your teams.

I will use Soul's madness wavelength to drive everyone in the vicinity into madness. Since Soul's madness wavelength is auditory based and is produced by his piano, I will equip him with the boots of noise, thus increasing his madness wavelength five times over.

Ultear will use her arc of time ability on the city's landscape, changing it to suite my team's needs and to impede your teams movements.

Read from right to left.

Medusa will release hundreds of her snakes into the sewage system, infecting whoever comes into contact with them. Those infected with the snakes will unknowingly become her eyes and ears. She can also use them as explosives by telling the hidden snakes to explode from the victim's body.

Read from right to left.
#19 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (27591 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Good lord, that is one amazing strategy. One which I particularly love because you are inducing chaos! WHOOOO!!!

The way you're using the Boots of Noise to amplify Soul Eater Evan's piano, thus driving the entire city insane, is GENIUS! Maddened townsfolk, warped time, infected sewers, This is great.

#21 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Good lord, that is one amazing strategy. One which I particularly love because you are inducing chaos! WHOOOO!!!

The way you're using the Boots of Noise to amplify Soul Eater Evan's piano, thus driving the entire city insane, is GENIUS! Maddened townsfolk, warped time, infected sewers, This is great.

I knew you would enjoy the beauty that is pure anarchy >:D

#22 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Ahhhh anarchy. Such a lovely sight. *munches popcorn*

#23 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

alright this silliness has gone on long enough. as floopay said I am abroad in india for a funeral, and as this country is terrible my phone was stolen.

right now I'm using opera, which means not only is it impossible for me to post images, I also don't get notifications.

sooo here's the link to my generic strategy

www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/ffst-r1-thedarklordpandamonium-vs-theonetaichou-vo-1462071/

quite sorry. that's all I can do til the sixteenth

#24 Edited by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (27591 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like I lost,I should have dropped out anyway I really did not have the time for this.In any event,@omgomgwtfwtf congrats on advancing to the next round buddy.

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#26 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like I lost,I should have dropped out anyway I really did not have the time for this.In any event,@omgomgwtfwtf congrats on advancing to the next round buddy.

You still posted something, so you still might have a chance of winning D: You never know. People might just vote for you :D

#27 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

My vote goes to @omgomgwtfwtf for obvious reasons.... BECAUSE HIS STRATEGY IS FR*CKING AWESOME!!!!

Sincerely,

#28 Posted by Dextersinister (6639 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Looks like I lost,I should have dropped out anyway I really did not have the time for this.In any event,@omgomgwtfwtf congrats on advancing to the next round buddy.

You still posted something, so you still might have a chance of winning D: You never know. People might just vote for you :D

That wouldn't be very sporting, anyway you get a vote.

#29 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf @floopay Noooo I totally would have killed this round!

Mesmero is easily the best telepath here; going off of this video:

He easily overpowered Professor X and Jean Grey at the same time while telepathically sealing in Professor X and then proceeded to mind control Jean Grey and three other X-Men who have thrown off Jean Grey's control numerous times for an entire mission, all while again fending off Professor X! Moreover, he can teleport anywhere he wants!

Blink would have sensed your team either with the Bat Familiars which 20 of which would have spread out throughout the city or via Mesmero's telepathic sense, as he once controlled a crowd of people throughout a city. Then she would have teleported your team into the range of Deathstroke and Hawkeye, just like she did here:

with Agent Cheesecake. New 52 Deathstroke is pretty much a physical beast, as his armor is basically impenetrable. He could stab your teams or just straight-up shoot them. Hawkeye also has a variety of arrows he would be firing:

Taser Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/1462123-s_2-1.jpg

Showing good senses and multiple Taser Arrows

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/1462127-senses-1.jpg

Explosive Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/1462125-s_3-1.jpg

Boa, Net, and Putty arrow used

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176....ye_s_arrows.jpg

Putty Arrow. The text is important.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176....rksman___19.jpg

Using net and Putty arrows. Notice how his trick arrow heads are detachable.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/1403350-putty_arrow.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/1403348-pa_2.jpg

EMP Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/1403460-again.jpg

His Arrow outraces a shield thrown by US Agent

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176....ers00110cd1.jpg

Ice Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Widowmaker-01-pg-12.jpg

Razor Arrow that wraps around the target

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176....3_pg6_super.jpg

Explosive Arrow again

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Explosivearrows1.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Explosivearrows2.jpg

Tear Gas Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/TearGasArrow.jpg

Sleep Dart Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Sleepdartarrow.jpg

Boomerang Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/BoomerangArrow.jpg

Boomerang Arrow Again

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/BoomerangArrowagain.jpg

Cable Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Cablearrow.jpg

Another Cable Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/CableArrow-1.jpg

Pym Particles Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/PymParticleArrow.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/PymParticleArrow2.jpg

Another Explosive Arrow

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/explosivearrowagain.jpg

Description of Arrows

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp176/Strafe_Prower/Arrowdetails.jpg

Nerve gas, tasers, explosives, pym particles, along with Deathstroke's sword mastery and rifles, and Mesmero's complete telepathic domination!

I would have basically destroyed both omgomgwtfwtf and sherlock in the Blink of a Hawkeye at the Deathstroke of Midnight, Mesmero-ing all the voters!

*sigh*

#31 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Mesmero would be countered by Maka. Maka's soul perception is planetary level and she can defend against mental attacks from Kishin, who is at least planetary level. Also, he would have to deal with a city full of insanity. Literally people killing each other for no apparent reason, other then the fact that Maka is releasing a madness soul wavelength. He wouldn't be able to control her, many have tried, all have failed. I will post more feats later if Floopay allows.

Blink is impressive and could probably separate my team, though honestly, it wouldn't do much to stop my team's mayhem. Deathstroke and Hawkeye would need to contend with the city's inhabitants as they try to butcher them wherever they go (think Resident Evil, when Leon goes to Africa), but since this is a magical town, you have wizards and etc. instead of zombies. Maka is physically superior to Deathstroke and Hawkeye combined, I can post feats. She would also just soul-rape them into oblivion with her powers.

If you get Medusa, well you have to deal with her snakes and etc. Also, her abilities are perfectly suited in dealing with melee characters. Vector Plates would prevent Deathstroke or Hawkeye from reaching her at all. Feats can be posted if allowed from Floopay.

Also, I don't think Blink could get to Ultear. Ultear would be in a disguise due to her transformation magic and would literally just disintegrate Deathstroke and Hawkeye's equipment with her arc of time. They will be unarmed and naked versus an angry mob of bloodlusted, crazed townspeople. She would also use her arc of time to destroy the very town around your teammates. Like for example, she would just age the ground and have your team collapse into the sewers and force them to deal with the sewer people, who would be infected with Medusa's snakes. They will explode on command from Medusa and could probably slither into one of your teammates during the chaos.

Then I have Tifa, who would make mince meat out of Deathstroke and Hawkeye, since they will be unarmed, naked and attacked by crazed townspeople. I will have her stats enhanced by my team's magic, and without them, she is pretty superhuman.

#32 Posted by Dextersinister (6639 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: @thedarklordpandamonium: As this is sort of over just to remind you both that you can only mentally effect one person at a time per character with a negative mental effect and they need to be within either 100 meters or feet, probably meters.

#33 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: @thedarklordpandamonium: As this is sort of over just to remind you both that you can only mentally effect one person at a time per character with a negative mental effect and they need to be within either 100 meters or feet, probably meters.

I don't think that applies to the townspeople who are being affected, at least I don't think so. Floopay never made any objection and i asked if we could use the townspeople and he said yes.

#34 Posted by Dextersinister (6639 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister said:

@omgomgwtfwtf: @thedarklordpandamonium: As this is sort of over just to remind you both that you can only mentally effect one person at a time per character with a negative mental effect and they need to be within either 100 meters or feet, probably meters.

I don't think that applies to the townspeople who are being affected, at least I don't think so. Floopay never made any objection and i asked if we could use the townspeople and he said yes.

Asking if you can use the people within the city has many meanings such as ask for directions or harvest their organs, I don't think he was aware that you where going to attempt and drive everyone in the city insane.

You can still do it to to the people within your starting area and it's probably best that you can't effect the entire city.

#35 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf

Pretty sure Mesmero can take down Maka; her resistance was due to the Anti-Demon wavelength, which as per the title only works on demons. She mostly senses things, and Mesmero is easily twice as powerful as Prof X and Jean Grey combined in terms of mind control according to Apocalypse, who gave them all their powers. Moreover, that's just one person -Maka can't defend the rest of your team, and she has no offense, so Mesmero could pick off the rest of your team instantly.

As for the rest of your response, it relies mostly on 'I'm driving the city insane' which is out as per the rules, so...

In Conc:

-Mesmero picks off Omg's team except for Maka as they have no psychic defense, Maka cannot protect others and has no offense

-Blink teleports Maka into death-stream

-Maka dies

-I win

@floopay we can go to votes now, sure you want to get this done with.

#36 Posted by Dextersinister (6639 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: I need to be fair and point out that if Blink can just will people somewhere she cannot use that ability on opponents. When I was going to use Magik I had established that the varied forms of insta kill teleporting tactics where off the table as it's practically unavoidable, much like omg can still effect people in the starting area you can still just port your attackers in front of them.

#37 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: I need to be fair and point out that if Blink can just will people somewhere she cannot use that ability on opponents. When I was going to use Magik I had established that the varied forms of insta kill teleporting tactics where off the table as it's practically unavoidable, much like omg can still effect people in the starting area you can still just port your attackers in front of them.

Er.

@floopay:

If this is true, shouldn't somebody have pointed it out before I won my first round using only this tactic?

I mean it's not really willing people somewhere; she has to know where they are, either via telepathic link or bat familiars as I am using in this case. And then she teleports them, to her location only. Blink has never been able to teleport people she can't see to a place she can't see -no tele-BFR here.

#38 Posted by Dextersinister (6639 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister said:

@thedarklordpandamonium: I need to be fair and point out that if Blink can just will people somewhere she cannot use that ability on opponents. When I was going to use Magik I had established that the varied forms of insta kill teleporting tactics where off the table as it's practically unavoidable, much like omg can still effect people in the starting area you can still just port your attackers in front of them.

Er.

@floopay:

If this is true, shouldn't somebody have pointed it out before I won my first round using only this tactic?

I mean it's not really willing people somewhere; she has to know where they are, either via telepathic link or bat familiars as I am using in this case. And then she teleports them, to her location only. Blink has never been able to teleport people she can't see to a place she can't see -no tele-BFR here.

Most people don't like to get involved, I am only bringing this up as the fight is technically over and I don't know which version of Blink your using I thought Blink needed to hit someone with her magic blades to teleport them.

What your effectively saying is that you need line of sight, I was going by that as well. Needing line of sight to insta kill someone is still an insta kill technique and is hardly a limitation, do you not think that being able to teleport someone anywhere with a thought or into a bullet would be allowed? I was originally going to use Blink or Magik and had mentioned that reasonable limitation.

#39 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: No, she doesn't. However if she throws those it's like a Portkey vs an Apparition; she doesn't have to focus with the javelins.

And Blink isn't insta-killing them, she's just teleporting them. Also as far as I am aware she can't send people away, only bring them to her or with her.

#40 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Pretty sure Mesmero can take down Maka; her resistance was due to the Anti-Demon wavelength, which as per the title only works on demons. She mostly senses things, and Mesmero is easily twice as powerful as Prof X and Jean Grey combined in terms of mind control according to Apocalypse, who gave them all their powers. Moreover, that's just one person -Maka can't defend the rest of your team, and she has no offense, so Mesmero could pick off the rest of your team instantly.

Um, not exactly. Her anti-demon wavelength allows her to fight off insanity, which is a mental assault. She has also been able to peer into people's minds, control people, locate people, dispel illusions, and can even read the intent's of people. That pretty much sounds like a telepath to me. Also, I think your overestimating Mesmero's abilities. Jean and Xavier are much weaker than their comic book counterparts. So to say that Mysterio would win against Maka in a mental fight would be erroneous. Judging from feats, Maka would trump Mysterio. She has been able to repel the Kishin, who is a planetary level threat and whose mere presence can cause people's minds to break down.

As for the rest of your response, it relies mostly on 'I'm driving the city insane' which is out as per the rules, so...

Once again, I really don't see anything as breaking the rules. My powers aren't affecting your teammates, they are affecting townspeople. You can ask Floopay if you want, but he made no objection when I brought this strategy up. So until further notice, it's a viable strategy.

Mesmero picks off Omg's team except for Maka as they have no psychic defense, Maka cannot protect others and has no offense

Medusa has psychic defense in the form of her artificial clown. They protected her from Justin Law's mental assault. Also, like I mentioned before, Maka has protected other people besides herself. She was able to wipe away Arachne's madness and prevented her from killing everyone invading her castle.

-Blink teleports Maka into death-stream

-Maka dies

-I win

What is a 'death-stream'? Also, like I mentioned before Maka is physically superior to Hawkeye and Deathstroke combined.

#41 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Pretty sure Mesmero can take down Maka; her resistance was due to the Anti-Demon wavelength, which as per the title only works on demons. She mostly senses things, and Mesmero is easily twice as powerful as Prof X and Jean Grey combined in terms of mind control according to Apocalypse, who gave them all their powers. Moreover, that's just one person -Maka can't defend the rest of your team, and she has no offense, so Mesmero could pick off the rest of your team instantly.

Um, not exactly. Her Anti-Demon Wavelength helps her fight insanity, which affects a person's mind. Also, it doesn't only work on demons. Soul Eater actually features no demons whatsoever, and if you read the different translations, the word 'demon' can be replaced with numerous other words. The actual translation of the technique from Japanese is more along the lines of 'withdrawing/repelling wavelength'. She has shielded herself and others with her anti-demon wavelength before, so I don't see why she can't now. Also you're making big assumptions on Mysterio's power level, merely because he can overcome Professor X and Jean Grey, who are nowhere near the levels of their comic book counterparts. Maka's powers are a threat to the Kishin himself. The Kishin's mental influence is planetary level and his influence alone can drive people to madness. That alone imho trumps Mesmero's abilities.

It helps her fight INSANITY. Mesmero is just going to control her mind -if you can give me an instance (or actually a video at all of her) of her fighting off mind control, then sure. And perhaps instances of her helping other people? Without any evidence you kind of just have a bunch of claims. For example, that snipe about Professor X and Jean -nope, they were just as powerful in Age of Apocalypse, nothing shows otherwise. 'imho' means nothing here. To sum it up -doesn't fight mind control, and I'd like to see some proof because I'm just going off the wiki.

As for the rest of your response, it relies mostly on 'I'm driving the city insane' which is out as per the rules, so...

Once again, I really don't see anything as breaking the rules. My powers aren't affecting your teammates, they are affecting townspeople. You can ask Floopay if you want, but made no objection when I brought this strategy up. So until further notice, it's a viable strategy.

Because you're only allowed to use your thing on one person at a time...? Also @dextersinister seems to be a rule-enforcer-person here, and he ruled that you can't effect the entire city. Besides, if you could, I definitely would; Mesmero controls New York City in his spare time.

Mesmero picks off Omg's team except for Maka as they have no psychic defense, Maka cannot protect others and has no offense

Medusa has psychic defense in the form of her artificial clown. They protected her from Justin Law's mental assault. Also, like I mentioned before, Maka has protected other people besides herself. She was able to wipe away Arachne's madness and prevented her from killing everyone invading her castle.

scanzies. or videos. or episode links. or something, man. who the heck is justin law? according to the wiki he has no mental assault powers.

-Blink teleports Maka into death-stream

-Maka dies

-I win

What is a 'death-stream'? Also, like I mentioned before Maka is physically superior to Hawkeye and Deathstroke combined.

I...don't...buy...it...? According to the wiki she's slower than both Hawkeye and Deathstroke in sprints and it just says she's agile, which isn't really going to help when she's teleported into a cloud of nerve gas and repeatedly blown up without warning, then shot at and chopped all the while fending off mental assault.

In conclusion: I kind of just want some feats. I mean I can say that Mesmero took over the omniverse, but there's no proof behind it. So yeah. Also madness in the Soul Eater universe seems to be very much different than mind control, so...

also @jokergeist @dextersinister considering changing your votes?

#42 Posted by Dextersinister (6639 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: No, she doesn't. However if she throws those it's like a Portkey vs an Apparition; she doesn't have to focus with the javelins.

And Blink isn't insta-killing them, she's just teleporting them. Also as far as I am aware she can't send people away, only bring them to her or with her.

In your first post you said you would seperate the other team to the far corners of the city. Your also understating the effect of what you are doing here, you are effectively teleporting another character into bullet or arrow spray.

There are plenty of tricky things in this tournament but I specifically brought this scenario up before it started as I had originally planned on using Blink for transport before I got together a team who had already had a high degree of mobility.

This was my exact line when picking the character

AOA Blink - I am going to safely assume that all variations of teleporting insta wins are off the table.

#43 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

Uhh, I don't even think this debate is supposed to be going on still. It officially ended a while ago.. so I'm gonna ask @floopay to confirm if this is even over or not.

#44 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@jokergeist @dextersinister:

So originally when I told Floopay I'd be gone he was like 'alright cool I'll give you a few extra days' so when I realized he'd ended this at the same time at everything else I was like 'noooo floopay yyyy'. And omgomgwtfwtf agreed to give me a chance, so...er...yea. Fits in with what floopay originally said and nobody has an objection.

Also @floopay I understood that all of Blink's super-cheap 'open a portal in you and you die instantly' wins were gone, but am I really not allowed to use her for...teleporting?

#45 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:

It helps her fight INSANITY. Mesmero is just going to control her mind -if you can give me an instance (or actually a video at all of her) of her fighting off mind control, then sure. And perhaps instances of her helping other people? Without any evidence you kind of just have a bunch of claims. For example, that snipe about Professor X and Jean -nope, they were just as powerful in Age of Apocalypse, nothing shows otherwise. 'imho' means nothing here. To sum it up -doesn't fight mind control, and I'd like to see some proof because I'm just going off the wiki.

Her anti-demon wavelength allows her to fight off insanity, which is a mental assault. She has also been able to peer into people's minds, control people, locate people, dispel illusions, and can even read the intents of people. That pretty much sounds like a telepath to me. So to say that Mysterio would win against Maka in a mental fight would be erroneous. Judging from feats, Maka would trump Mysterio.

Here she is being mentally assaulted by a Clown, which is a byproduct of the Kishin's madness.
Here she repels the Clown's influence and uses her Demon Hunter, which assaults the souls of her enemies and can even kill immortals.
This the witch Arachne, who just mind raped her sister Medusa in an instant. She comments on how Maka is able to resist due to her anti-demon wavelength and how she is very dangerous to madness.
Arachne's presence alone is strong enough to literally kill people via mental rape.
Here is Maka stopping one of Arachne's mental assaults casually.
Maka is able to deduce what is happening to everyone through her powerful soul perception. Arachne notes once again how powerful Maka is.

Many more scans can be provided if necessary.

Because you're only allowed to use your thing on one person at a time...? Also @dextersinister seems to be a rule-enforcer-person here, and he ruled that you can't effect the entire city. Besides, if you could, I definitely would; Mesmero controls New York City in his spare time.

Dexter Sinister also said that he didn't really mind as long as it was the people within my vicinity and not the entire city. Given that I don't need an entire city, a section of it would suffice.

Here is what he said:

You can still do it to to the people within your starting area and it's probably best that you can't effect the entire city.

Instead of going to him for the rules. Just ask Floopay like I said. He's the tournament creator and would know the rules better than another user.

I...don't...buy...it...? According to the wiki she's slower than both Hawkeye and Deathstroke in sprints and it just says she's agile, which isn't really going to help when she's teleported into a cloud of nerve gas and repeatedly blown up without warning, then shot at and chopped all the while fending off mental assault.

When are wikis ever accurate in detailing anything? Like I mentioned before. I abstained from posting scans at first because I didn't want to waste time, since this battle was already over. However, if you really want them, then I can get them.

Durability feat for Maka. Pretty much trumps Hawkeye and Deathstroke's durability.
Another durability feat for Maka. Taking sword strikes without any damage, aside from a minor scratch.

I can post more scans if they are needed.

Also, Hawkeye and Deathstroke would literally be naked from Ultear's time manipulation ability, which I mentioned before in my previous posts.

#46 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

Mind-controlling clown doll?? That's too cool!!

#47 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf:

Great, now this is what I was expecting when I asked to re-open the debate and you said you were fine with it.

Ultear's not getting anywhere near Hawkeye and Deathstroke...at all. Blink will just teleport him away if he does.

So I'd say there are three parts to this debate.

#1) The Mental: Maka vs Mesmero (not mysterio dammit)

Now, you only have scans of Maka on the defensive -though of course if Maka can only defend then it's a moot point and Blink will just fill her with nerve gas.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/185/exilesv10512004puardcp0qd3.jpg/?sa=0

And then bye-bye Maka. Or she would, if @floopay could clarify what Blink can and cannot do. From the sound of it, @dextersinister and floopay had a conversation over what Blink could and could not do, but I have no idea on the particulars so I'd like the Main Man himself to clarify.

So -scans of Maka on the offensive? Unless she can't go on the offensive, of course.

My case is thus: Mesmero is undefeated in his era, effortlessly putting down Professor X and Jean Grey (who are canonically still full power as the continuity didn't change that) as he has the full telepathic powers of Apocalypse himself (presumably). Maka, however, seems to go through a ten-page inner angst cycle every time someone attacks her, and barely manages to keep up a defense, from what I've seen.

Also, from what I've seen the whole Madness thing is in a person's soul and Maka carries a resonance in her soul, not the mind as would actually defend Mesmero. Everything points to that -soul perception, 'soul carries', madness being a sort of aura of terror instead of actual hypnotism.

#2) The Physical

Going to edge away from this until floopay can confirm what blink can and cannot do, since I'm confused here. But for now, suffice it to say that no members of your team have a defense against nerve gas.

#3) The Townspeople/Environment

Are not a threat since they're only in your sector and I'm not going to you at all. Blink is teleporting your forces into nerve gas and/or teleporting nerve gas into your forces.

#48 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Ultear's not getting anywhere near Hawkeye and Deathstroke...at all. Blink will just teleport him away if he does.

Ultear is going be in disguise with her transformation magic. I mentioned this all in my very first post and the post after that. You should probably reread over that, so you can be in the loop.

So I'd say there are three parts to this debate.

#1) The Mental: Maka vs Mesmero (not mysterio dammit)

Lol, my apologies for saying Mysterio. I always get them both mixed up because their names are too similar in my mind. So if I make that mistake again, don't be mad :D

Now, you only have scans of Maka on the defensive -though of course if Maka can only defend then it's a moot point and Blink will just fill her with nerve gas.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/185/exilesv10512004puardcp0qd3.jpg/?sa=0

Which Blink are you using? The kickass one from the Exiles or the boring one from 616?

Also, you're mistaken if Maka can only defend. She can also mentally dominate as well. One of my first scans I posted was Soul Eater Evans (Maka's weapon) releasing a maddening soul wavelength to drive people insane.

And then bye-bye Maka. Or she would, if @floopay could clarify what Blink can and cannot do. From the sound of it, @dextersinister and floopay had a conversation over what Blink could and could not do, but I have no idea on the particulars so I'd like the Main Man himself to clarify.

So -scans of Maka on the offensive? Unless she can't go on the offensive, of course.

My case is thus: Mesmero is undefeated in his era, effortlessly putting down Professor X and Jean Grey (who are canonically still full power as the continuity didn't change that) as he has the full telepathic powers of Apocalypse himself (presumably). Maka, however, seems to go through a ten-page inner angst cycle every time someone attacks her, and barely manages to keep up a defense, from what I've seen.

I showed scans of Maka instantly stopping Arachne's mind rape. The first set of scans with the Clown is very early Maka, she has gotten much stronger since then.

Here she is completely eliminating all of Arachne's madness.

After absorbing Arachne's soul, Maka and Soul became much stronger. They can now do the following:

She can control people by hacking into their souls and essentially hijacking their bodies.

Soul Hack. Read from right to left.

She can also calm people to the point where they become vegetables.

Adagio of the Soul. Read from right to left.

Here she blocks the Kishin's madness. Keep in mind Asura is planetary level threat when it comes to mentally raping people.

Also, from what I've seen the whole Madness thing is in a person's soul and Maka carries a resonance in her soul, not the mind as would actually defend Mesmero. Everything points to that -soul perception, 'soul carries', madness being a sort of aura of terror instead of actual hypnotism.

The mind and the soul are connected. There is little to no difference between the two is this scenario. Because if we are really going to argue semantics, then I can say Mesmero has no soul protection and would be soul-raped Raven-style.

#2) The Physical

Going to edge away from this until floopay can confirm what blink can and cannot do, since I'm confused here. But for now, suffice it to say that no members of your team have a defense against nerve gas.

Nerve gas is nice and all, until Ultear just ages it into nothing...

#3) The Townspeople/Environment

Are not a threat since they're only in your sector and I'm not going to you at all. Blink is teleporting your forces into nerve gas and/or teleporting nerve gas into your forces.

I doubt you have enough nerve gas to put down everyone attacking you. Also, like I mentioned Ultear would just age all of their equipment into nothing with her arc of time.

Also, my madness wavelength is infectious. The more I travel, the more people are going to be infected. Unlike traditional mind control, Maka and Soul don't need to to mentally dominate everyone. The sound being released from Soul's piano will drive people, who hear it, insane.

Once again, I think you should reread my earlier posts from the beginning of the tournament. I believe you're under the assumption that I am actively fighting you. My whole strategy revolves around indirect assaults and playing defensive. You won't be in eye view of any one of my team members, besides Ultear, who will be in disguise. Soul and Maka can be far away or even up in the air, away from the battle. Medusa, in the mean time, is hiding in the shadows. She will be infecting people with her snakes and releasing them into the city. She will be for the most part reconnaissance for my team. Every snake she releases will be her eyes and ears. Her snakes can also act independently from her and attack your team.

#49 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf said:

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Ultear's not getting anywhere near Hawkeye and Deathstroke...at all. Blink will just teleport him away if he does.

Ultear is going be in disguise with her transformation magic. I mentioned this all in my very first post and the post after that. You should probably reread over that, so you can be in the loop.

I did. In the 3 hours prep only the leader can actually move around, and Mesmero and the bat familiars will find Ultear with planetary telepathy and...bats. So I know where your team is.

So I'd say there are three parts to this debate.

#1) The Mental: Maka vs Mesmero (not mysterio dammit)

Lol, my apologies for saying Mysterio. I always get them both mixed up because their names are too similar in my mind. So if I make that mistake again, don't be mad :D

Now, you only have scans of Maka on the defensive -though of course if Maka can only defend then it's a moot point and Blink will just fill her with nerve gas.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/185/exilesv10512004puardcp0qd3.jpg/?sa=0

Which Blink are you using? The kickass one from the Exiles or the boring one from 616?

The one from Exiles and Age of Apocalypse, the kickass one who can do that to your team. Instantly, since your team can't move from the starting location and I'll know where you are; I can just teleport you into a cloud of nerve gas.

Also, you're mistaken if Maka can only defend. She can also mentally dominate as well. One of my first scans I posted was Soul Eater Evans (Maka's weapon) releasing a maddening soul wavelength to drive people insane.

I had no idea that was Maka. Because I don't watch Soul Eater. XD But alright.

And then bye-bye Maka. Or she would, if @floopay could clarify what Blink can and cannot do. From the sound of it, @dextersinister and floopay had a conversation over what Blink could and could not do, but I have no idea on the particulars so I'd like the Main Man himself to clarify.

So -scans of Maka on the offensive? Unless she can't go on the offensive, of course.

My case is thus: Mesmero is undefeated in his era, effortlessly putting down Professor X and Jean Grey (who are canonically still full power as the continuity didn't change that) as he has the full telepathic powers of Apocalypse himself (presumably). Maka, however, seems to go through a ten-page inner angst cycle every time someone attacks her, and barely manages to keep up a defense, from what I've seen.

I showed scans of Maka instantly stopping Arachne's mind rape. The first set of scans with the Clown is very early Maka, she has gotten much stronger since then.

Here she is completely eliminating all of Arachne's madness.

After absorbing Arachne's soul, Maka and Soul became much stronger. They can now do the following:

She can control people by hacking into their souls and essentially hijacking their bodies.

Soul Hack. Read from right to left.

She can also calm people to the point where they become vegetables.

Adagio of the Soul. Read from right to left.

Here she blocks the Kishin's madness. Keep in mind Asura is planetary level threat when it comes to mentally raping people.

Also, from what I've seen the whole Madness thing is in a person's soul and Maka carries a resonance in her soul, not the mind as would actually defend Mesmero. Everything points to that -soul perception, 'soul carries', madness being a sort of aura of terror instead of actual hypnotism.

The mind and the soul are connected. There is little to no difference between the two is this scenario. Because if we are really going to argue semantics, then I can say Mesmero has no soul protection and would be soul-raped Raven-style.

Mesmero does, actually. When Apocalypse came back in X-Men Evolution he resisted Apocalypse's soul-stealing to take his mental powers back (Apocalypse gave Mesmero his mental powers to bring him back through the gate) and had to be knocked out before Apocalypse could take them back. Apocalypse has soul-stolen A LOT; he does it on Eternals and Celestial tech 24/7. So Mesmero would resist that soul-rape and Maka and Medusa would go down instantly.

Mesmero was still unbeatable in his series, having the full mental power of APOCALYPSE. This includes Telekinesis that is at the max limits btw, which could crush any one of your teammates. It's restricted to the max limits, and none of your team members can have durability that high. That's right, Apocalypse, the mutant who...

Apocalypse reads Ozymandias’ mind of all the events that happened since X-Ecutioner’s Song in a moment.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...95/powers10.png

Apocalypse mentally controls his Celestial tech.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...95/Apoctech.png

Apocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3.../palacerise.png

Apocalypse, even weakened he punks Jean Grey psionically.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...5/psionic53.png

Apocalypse owns Jean Grey and Xavier.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/100522/1820924-apocmindblastxavier_1_.png

Apocalypse mind blasts Xavier.

http://static.mojefotke.si/1ddaf62c...2a32887b5f7.JPG

Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/...origin13kw0.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3...95/powers18.png

Apocalypse mind controls an entire race of psionics

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmindconrol.png

And Mesmero has ALL of these powers, having gotten Apocalypse's full mental powers in the animated series so that he could bring back Apocalypse, who, upon his return, then took them back.

#2) The Physical

Going to edge away from this until floopay can confirm what blink can and cannot do, since I'm confused here. But for now, suffice it to say that no members of your team have a defense against nerve gas.

Nerve gas is nice and all, until Ultear just ages it into nothing...

Ultear aging away something that instantly knocks her out is nice considering her neurons can't activate an attack any faster than the nerve gas can affect her brain. And I'm killing your team off one-by-one; they are separated as Blink teleports somewhere and then brings them with her, tp-ing at the speed of light.

#3) The Townspeople/Environment

Are not a threat since they're only in your sector and I'm not going to you at all. Blink is teleporting your forces into nerve gas and/or teleporting nerve gas into your forces.

I doubt you have enough nerve gas to put down everyone attacking you. Also, like I mentioned Ultear would just age all of their equipment into nothing with her arc of time.

Unfortunately I do. Doesn't take a lot, and I can port it directly into your brain so it effects you instantly. I could also re-direct the arc of time, as Blink does here:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/15jf2.jpg/?sa=0

Wait the arc of time is an attack, yes?

Also, my madness wavelength is infectious. The more I travel, the more people are going to be infected. Unlike traditional mind control, Maka and Soul don't need to to mentally dominate everyone. The sound being released from Soul's piano will drive people, who hear it, insane.

Luckily I'm out of earshot and your team is going to die instantly.

Once again, I think you should reread my earlier posts from the beginning of the tournament. I believe you're under the assumption that I am actively fighting you. My whole strategy revolves around indirect assaults and playing defensive. You won't be in eye view of any one of my team members, besides Ultear, who will be in disguise. Soul and Maka can be far away or even up in the air, away from the battle. Medusa, in the mean time, is hiding in the shadows. She will be infecting people with her snakes and releasing them into the city. She will be for the most part reconnaissance for my team. Every snake she releases will be her eyes and ears. Her snakes can also act independently from her and attack your team.

Luckily you are being brought into the fight by force and then having nerve gas ported directly into your brain while you get shot and exploded up. BTW, your characters can't out-durability this; the durability limit for your characters who don't have any especial armor is being hurt by bullets, which Deathstroke has, and the upper limit with armor is plated steel, which Hawkeye's arrows have exploded through. So your characters are going to be hurt. And that's not even mentioning the Tasers and Pym Particle arrows.

Anyhow, @floopay apparently doesn't care about me. So sad. :(( #crying.

Ready for votes? @jokergeist @dextersinister still think omgomgwtfwtf would win, or...?

#50 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7045 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:

I did. In the 3 hours prep only the leader can actually move around, and Mesmero and the bat familiars will find Ultear with planetary telepathy and...bats. So I know where your team is.

Okay? What would that actually do? Mesmero is moving around trying to telepathically locate my team, while Maka is mentally prohibiting him to do so. While, Maka and Mesmero would know each other's location due to telepathic battling. I still don't see how Mesmero is going to locate Ultear. He has no knowledge of who she is or what she looks like. Your bats don't either, she would literally be a face in the crowd.

The one from Exiles and Age of Apocalypse, the kickass one who can do that to your team. Instantly, since your team can't move from the starting location and I'll know where you are; I can just teleport you into a cloud of nerve gas.

What exactly is the range of Blink's teleporation? I was under the assumption she has to throw her little teleporting arrows in order to teleport people. Because it's a little OP, if she can just teleport people from anywhere, just by knowing their location.

M'kay, so let's say the two forms are equal. Mesmero was still unbeatable in his series, having the full mental power of APOCALYPSE. This includes Telekinesis that is at the max limits btw, which could crush any one of your teammates. It's restricted to the max limits, and none of your team members can have durability that high. That's right, Apocalypse, the mutant who...

Why are you including feats from comic book Apocalypse. The one from Evolution is not the same as the one from the comic books. It's really a lot of hearsay and hyerbole for Mesmero you are going by. He has never displayed some of the feats you are assuming he's capable of.

Ultear aging away something that instantly knocks her out is nice considering her neurons can't activate an attack any faster than the nerve gas can affect her brain. And I'm killing your team off one-by-one; they are separated as Blink teleports somewhere and then brings them with her, tp-ing at the speed of light.

I still need confirmation about the exact nature of Blink's teleporation ability. When I think of Blink's teleporting ability, I see her throwing her teleporting arrows and being able to teleport people via that. From what you are describing she can teleport people by just knowing their location, rather than actually having to be physically in their presence. Because if it's the latter, then it's not going to be as easy as just teleporting someone against their will. Also, I don't think Blink's teleporting arrows are light speed. But given that Maka has dodged multiple laser beam before, I believe she is more than capable of dodging Blink's arrows. Medusa can easily put up vector plates to disrupt the movements of her teleporting arrows, so they never reach her. Also, I don't see how you are going to hit Ultear with the teleportation arrows when she can simply stop them in their tracks with her time manipulation abilities. I will need confirmation from Floopay that you are allowed to port stuff in people's body because that is pretty much pretty OP as well.

Vector Plates. Read from right to left.

I fail to see how Blink is going to know where everyone is at all times. I believe your strategy was to utilize Mesmero as a communication device between your team, but given that he would be occupied by Maka, I don't see him being able to relay any information to your team. Also, the bats can only give you information by word of mouth. By the time they find my team and fly back to relay the message, my team would have already changed their location.

Ten Bat Familiars - These things act as scouts, they constantly scout and report the battlefield for your team. You can choose where to send them and can command them. You cannot, however, use them to telepathically relay messages between team member

So all in all, I really don't see how your strategy is going to work. My team can keep communication up via Medusa's snakes, which will be in everyone's body. Her snakes will also be traveling around by themselves and possessing people.

Unfortunately I do. Doesn't take a lot, and I can port it directly into your brain so it effects you instantly. I could also re-direct the arc of time, as Blink does here:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/15jf2.jpg/?sa=0

Wait the arc of time is an attack, yes?

Arc of time is not an attack. It's a direct manipulation of time.

File:Restore.gif

Luckily I'm out of earshot and your team is going to die instantly.

Maka's range is much larger than earshot and it's being enhanced by the boots of noise, which increases the range by a factor of five.

I also still don't see how my team is going to die instantly :P

Luckily you are being brought into the fight by force and then having nerve gas ported directly into your brain while you get shot and exploded up. BTW, your characters can't out-durability this; the durability limit for your characters who don't have any especial armor is being hurt by bullets, which Deathstroke has, and the upper limit with armor is plated steel, which Hawkeye's arrows have exploded through. So your characters are going to be hurt. And that's not even mentioning the Tasers and Pym Particle arrows.

Your whole strategy revolves around Blink being able of porting everyone to one location. Like I mentioned above, I fail to see how to she is going to find everyone and port them against their will. Even if she manages to port them to your team's location, most of my team members are just physically superior Hawkeye and Deathstroke, not to mention have a myriads of abilities. Irregardless on whether or not my team's durability is being downgraded. Merely being in the presence of three of my team members would be disastrous for your team.

Medusa's artificial clowns also release madness, which would turn everyone of your team members aside from Mesmero into mental mush. Since Mesmero is too busy trying to fight Maka and Soul's mental attacks, he wouldn't be able to guard the rest of your team.

Blink, Deathstroke, and Hawkeye have no innate mental protection, nor have they demonstrated any form of telepathic resistance. Just being close to Medusa's clowns would suffice in driving your team into madness.

Ultear also has other abilities besides her time manipulation. She can mentally control people via magic.

Anyhow, @floopay apparently doesn't care about me. So sad. :(( #crying.

Ready for votes?

If you want to start voting then that is fine for me.