#1 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone is in character

Takes place in abandoned city

No cosmic rod for Human Torch

#2 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7040 posts) - - Show Bio

Susan Storm solos.

#3 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: How would she solo? Remember theyre in character.

#4 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Messiah Cable would win. IDK any other version that can.

#5 Edited by comic_book_fan (5715 posts) - - Show Bio

ff

#6 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

Non-messiah with his TO virus ravaging his body can win too, as he was (under those conditions) able to pull her into the astral plane through her shield during Onslaught, which means his telepathy has/can/will work on her even with a shield. Even baby Cable was creating impenetrable forcefields.

#8 Edited by comic_book_fan (5715 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans: she let him do that she was not tring to resist him they were on the same team.

#9 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Cable, but I think he's going to have trouble trying to take down all four of them.

#10 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan said:

@lordofallhumans: she let him do that she was not tring to resist him they were on the same team.

Regardless, the claim is her field is telepathy proof (based on a fight with Psi Lord, a theory I took apart months ago) . When has it been stated she can pick and choose what comes in and out? Especially when she was taxing herself and needed his tk to add to her own power to shield from Onslaughts psionic maelstrom. When did she have time to or concentration to be so specific? There is no evidence she can block telepathy at all, only people misinterpreting a scan. Fact is within her shield the astral bodies of Cable and Apoc should not have been able to leave her bubble if it blocks telepathy, and they did and she was summoned later through the same bubble.

#11 Edited by comic_book_fan (5715 posts) - - Show Bio

she let him because sue needed to go to the astral plane to save franklin and the fact that she needs to concentrate on just protecting herself alone to block telepathy and post the scan because if i remember right cable was in the shield with her.

#12 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

she let him because sue needed to go to the astral plane to save franklin and the fact that she needs to concentrate on just protecting herself alone to block telepathy and post the scan because if i remember right cable was in the shield with her.

Right which means if the shield is tp proof his power that allows him to astral project and bring others with him (telepathy) would have been useless. If he was in a tp proof shield neither he nor Apoc would have been able to enter Onslaughts citadel via astral projection and his telepathy would not have been able to keep contact with her (whether she was aware of the plan or not, I know she was) and pull her to the astral plane. Thus her shield is not telepathy proof.

#13 Posted by henrik (562 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable might be strong enough to win , but Iwill go with Fantastic 4 .

#14 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@henrik said:

Cable might be strong enough to win , but Iwill go with Fantastic 4 .

Just curious, if he is strong enough to win, why wouldn't you pick him to win? I am of course using other versions of him because a comment was made that only Messiah Cable can win, but any Cable with his telepathy and telekinesis intact can take them down with no problems, as they have no natural defense against his telepathy.

#15 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

If sue cant protect her team from Cables tp then I cant see them stopping him with his powers.

#16 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

If sue cant protect her team from Cables tp then I cant see them stopping him with his powers.

she can't

#17 Edited by comic_book_fan (5715 posts) - - Show Bio

she can and all the others are resistant except for johnny and hell he might be aswell.

the thing could oneshot him if he gets close and sue can oneshot cable easly sue solos .

#18 Edited by HyperViper97 (1342 posts) - - Show Bio

Cable should be able to do this. Mind rape or tp should shut them down.

#19 Edited by theDCkid (889 posts) - - Show Bio

The Fantastic Four has got this in the bag.

#20 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

she can and all the others are resistant except for johnny and hell he might be aswell.

the thing could oneshot him if he gets close and sue can oneshot cable easly sue solos .

No she can't we discussed this in a PM. He can handle Thing with his tk, so he won't get close that and Cable has fought the Hulk, and Cable was holding back he could have easily just BFRed Hulk but was worried about two things, the TO virus and unleashing his untapped power that might turn him into an uncontrollable force like the Hulk.

#21 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedckid said:

The Fantastic Four has got this in the bag.

they don't, they get mind raped for their trouble for those that can't tked to death...if this is Cable with hardly any power then it's a spite thread.

#22 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Cable takes them all out one on one, but I'm not sure if he can take them on all at once.

#23 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@henrik said:

Cable might be strong enough to win , but Iwill go with Fantastic 4 .

Just curious, if he is strong enough to win, why wouldn't you pick him to win? I am of course using other versions of him because a comment was made that only Messiah Cable can win, but any Cable with his telepathy and telekinesis intact can take them down with no problems, as they have no natural defense against his telepathy.

You're sure about his power level in other forms? I barely have seen him using these powers outside of times when he was this "messiah".

I recall him giving a fight to Pre-Shaman X-Man, who stomped Abomination and Exodus, but I was never sure which version that was.

And Sue has to be able to decide if TP can come trough her force fields or not. I am pretty sure that I've seen her talking with someone by telepathy. But don't ask me for scans, I barely had read FF before Hickman.

#24 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@henrik said:

Cable might be strong enough to win , but Iwill go with Fantastic 4 .

Just curious, if he is strong enough to win, why wouldn't you pick him to win? I am of course using other versions of him because a comment was made that only Messiah Cable can win, but any Cable with his telepathy and telekinesis intact can take them down with no problems, as they have no natural defense against his telepathy.

You're sure about his power level in other forms? I barely have seen him using these powers outside of times when he was this "messiah".

I recall him giving a fight to Pre-Shaman X-Man, who stomped Abomination and Exodus, but I was never sure which version that was.

And Sue has to be able to decide if TP can come trough her force fields or not. I am pretty sure that I've seen her talking with someone by telepathy. But don't ask me for scans, I barely had read FF before Hickman.

He never used his power at Messiah level before for the two reasons I gave. The TO virus which he used most of his available power to hold back and then there is the untapped power that he was afraid to use. Remember he has loads of untapped power one of which is the power to psychically traverse time like Rachel, unlocked by a combination of Shi'ar tech, Xavier and Jean.

The version that fought pre-shaman Nate was the TO infected version all this before the Onslaught story, which shows his telepathy working on her and through her shield.

If you saw her communicating telepathically through her shield why assume she lets it in when there is evidence that it just comes through as there is none to suggest she can block it?

I await all comments but on a side note my weekend begins on Thursday and I'm off to do shots, I shall return. :)

#25 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans:

She blocked Psi-Lord and Jean Grey, so I belive that there is proof that she can block it.

I don't doubt that Cable has great power in himself, but is it greater than her ff?

#26 Posted by Erick_Williams (758 posts) - - Show Bio

Susan Storm bloodlusted solo's

#27 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by Juiceboks (9781 posts) - - Show Bio

Savior Cable stomps. T.O virus cable will have some trouble but I believe he can pull through.

#29 Posted by New_World_Order (13283 posts) - - Show Bio

FF.

#30 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by New_World_Order (13283 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: Can you elaborate as to how they'd win

They would overwhelm him. Johnny's nova blasts, Thing's brutes strength not to mention Sue's shields that can even go down your throat like she did Angrir.

#32 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: If Johnny went nova, he'd have to make sure Sue protected the rest of the team or theyd all die. Cable can just teleport. He can mind rape all of them in a second.

#33 Posted by New_World_Order (13283 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: If Johnny went nova, he'd have to make sure Sue protected the rest of the team or theyd all die. Cable can just teleport. He can mind rape all of them in a second.

So you made this battle with a clear victor in mine? Lol I do that sometimes too. :p That is a possible outcome though. Can't Sue's shields block T/P?

#34 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: lol, no, no. I'm just replying to you. I think this is a good fight but no, I dont have a victor in mind. I'm not sure if Sue can block tp, the guys above discussed it already but i havnt seen scans so I'm not completely sure.

#35 Posted by New_World_Order (13283 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: lol, no, no. I'm just replying to you. I think this is a good fight but no, I dont have a victor in mind. I'm not sure if Sue can block tp, the guys above discussed it already but i havnt seen scans so I'm not completely sure.

Oh, okay.

#36 Posted by Shawnbaby (10867 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Cable gets absolutely brutally Stomped. The dude's already dying as is.

#37 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans:

She blocked Psi-Lord and Jean Grey, so I belive that there is proof that she can block it.

I don't doubt that Cable has great power in himself, but is it greater than her ff?

Jean did not have telepathy when they encountered each other.

I'm assumeing the blocking of Psi Lord comes from this? This is not proof that she blocked telepathy. He is reading her mind, he doesn't know she is no shielded. If this was to illustrate the shield can block telepathy then why not have him mention something about him finally being able to read her mind instead of how easy he can do it, so therer is no reason to conclude he was using telepathy on her before he actually did and when he did there was no shield so IMO this is not proof she can block telepathy because it wasn't being used on her nor was there mention of it being blocked when she did have a shield up.

I have already given an instance of how his telepathy worked through her shield twice in the same issue, seems to me that at least his can get through and this will be how he takes her down.

#38 Posted by Erick_Williams (758 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: well the FF but hard fight ill sayreed will come up with something

Cable (with his powers) can just psi blast him before he gets a chance, they lose because they have no answer to his telepathy in a random battle with no prep.

#40 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans:

Good one. I thought she can do it permanently.

Jean had TP when she met IW, but I doubt that it was as strong as Cable's anyway.

#41 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans:

Good one. I thought she can do it permanently.

Jean had TP when she met IW, but I doubt that it was as strong as Cable's anyway.

No she didn't. The cocoon the Phoenix put her in was found, Reed used some device that he said he would not have used if he knew she had mental powers, the device damaged her telepathy, which is why she thought they were robots when she woke up, her last memories were of fighting sentinels on the space station and at that point she did have telepathy, she was not aware of the events that took place when the Phoenix was pretending to be her. After this she joined Xfactor with the other O5 and during Xfactor she did not have her telepahy it was not reactivated until Psynaspe of the Dark Riders psychically attacked her.