Fantastic Four Tourney rnd 1 ClarkAllen vs GothamRed

ALL team members chosen to be energy projectors will only have their energy related powers if there are more, no matter what limitiations are mentioned.

ALL force projectors will be able only to project forces within the purview of this part of their power to the limits that it would extend. No energy or physical powers they possess will come into play , no matter what limitiations are mentioned.

All Bricks will have only their physical powers (strength, speed, agility, endurance, resilience, shape/size changing, alteration to physical aspects , no matter what limitiations are mentioned..

The Battle takes Place here

In each battle. team one is the protagonist seeking to attack team two who are in the Baxter building. Team two has the full access to all weapons, defenses and instruments in the Baxter building. Team two has been spending the last 12 hours using this equipment to track down and prepare for an assault from team 2, having hears they are on the loose.. Team one has been spent the last 24 hours in prep to make this assault.

All characters are in character (character motivations and flaws can be used against them). No teledismenberment. Win by all conventional means bar BFR (you can BFR characters but this will not count as a win, to win you must defeat all characters of the opposing team).

If anyone feels that the rules are being bent in their battles PM me and i will look at it.

All players are to set up their own battle thread and post a link in this one.

Debates will proceed for the next 4 days (96 to 120 hours from now) At which point I will call for voting. Once I call voting NO FURTHER DEBATE CAN BE ALLOWED. Voting will be for 36 to 40 hours

I feel I can win this round, and it's not just vanity that drives that, hear me out. If I can get in one-on-one fights I can take this one, and here's how:

Speedball vs Red Tornado: If he has no wind, he can only hit speedball, which would drive his power and not really hurt robbie, plus the titular "speedball" will gradually chip away at Reddie, like they did against Terrax.

Nova vs Captain Atom: Sure nova doesn't have his strength and such, and I'm not sure if atom is limited in any way, but if he can keep his distance, absorb the energy coming from atom and use timing well, I think Richie can win this one.

Luke Cage vs Booster Gold: No physical enhancements means if luke get in there Booster's screwed, and with unbreakable skin I'd say boosters blast may keep him at a distance for a while, but not stop him, food for thought.

Magneto vs Guy: Not sure how magento attacks here, it wasn't very clear so this round I can't say one way or the other.

So what do you think?

@ClarkAllen: Good Idea, pretty sure Booster doesn't have skeets. Second Note, speedballs powers have nothing to do with speed if Red Tornado hits Speedball, he's lost, speedball redirects impacts into momentum and creates "speedballs" which are strong enough to chip away at heavy hitters like Terrax the Tamer. Regardless who fights him, they'll have to impact him at some point, that's unavoidable in a scenario where you have to deal with multiple targets.

I'll Explain my team, The leader is Luke Cage, experienced in fighting threats from street level to invading forces, he knows what it takes to win in any situation and is will to do it. Then we have Nova, who is himself an experienced soldier on a cosmic level, and speaking of speed, Nova can make the trip between earth and the Kree Empire in under nine minutes, but if we're being fair, if you have Skeets, I have Worldmind, near instant weakness and strategy computation. Magneto, (again no idea how to use him offensivelly since I have NO IDEA WHAT ELTRO MEANS) already used to doing whatever it takes to win and have been fine tuning his powers since WWII. Then we have Speedball the definition of wild card, who can't be hit if you want to win.

Start off (I'll leave woldmind out of this version) with magneto using an EMP (which logically should fall under force project but YMMV) to turn off the towers defenses, from there the only way to get in, out, and around the building is to force you way around, and that's not going to be a subtle as you were going for. From there Luke (having been a member of the fantastic four) will lead the forces around the building in the most effective way without notice. Once they get around to your team then my plan of divide and conquer is in effect. Luke, being Luke, will charge in and take booster out as quickly as possibly (since no worldmind no skeets) and from there we can focus on the rest.

Reddy and Cap. Atom are the biggest threat so guy is the next target. This time I'll take him on with Nova, he'll charge guy and romove him form the room leaving Luke, Magneto, and Speedball to take on Reddy and Cap. From there, Magneto will act as energy shield and Speedball will be the physical shield, so they'll focus on countering Cap and Reddy respectively with Luke guiding them and brcing himself should Booster rejoin the fight, whilst getting in as man shots against the other two as he can. Wearing them down, that's what I'm aiming for.

Meanwhile Nova can use a combination of speed and blast power to attack guy as many times as he can in a short period of time. Obviously this will make Guy mad, make him more prone to mistakes and Nova can take advantage of that to win the fight. And this will continue until the fight reaches it end.

@GothamRed: @ClarkAllen:

what electro means is no control of extended electro magnetic spectrum as his highest end feats have done. that would be energy manipumation. he still has full control of magnetism.

Booster doesnt have skeets either it a F 4 not 5

Magneto can create force fields. Force fields were only disallowed for characters NOT chosen as force projectors. Bricks could only have physical abilites, energy projectors energy, etc. If Force projectors can't create force fields most have NO power.

Hop the helps. Nice debate so far.

@ClarkAllen: okay I know red tornado can go superspeed, that's why I had Nova leave the room he was in and have the others take on red tornado. Regardless of how fast he is it's hard to break away from 3 other superheroes especially if when one is unbreakable and the other if you run into him he'll get stronger and fast. I basically trapped him in the room while nova worked in the other, that was my goal there.

Also how would Booster hold Luke in place with his gauntlets, I mean sure blasting him would hold him off for a bit but not if he didn't see him coming. And if you're referring to some kind of containment field his gauntlets make he wouldn't be able to use it because that power falls under force projection. I also don't get how flying makes him harder to sneak up on, it might make him harder to hit but it won't make it harder to surprise. And Luke should be able to take on boosters energy blast, which wouldn't matter cause Luke took him out before he used them, but even if he didn't Luke is invulnerable, it's his main power ("unbreakle skin") the force of the blast may knock him back but it wouldn't hurt him that badly.

And I didn't underestimate Guy, If I had nova would have taken him straight on, him being a threat is the main reason why I had Nova use a hit and run strategy. Guy can only use his power as fast as he can think and if he's not thinking straight, or is distracted, the ring won't work properly anyway. But I by no means underestimated him, that's why to win the fight I had to play off of his personality not my own power.

@GothamRed: @ClarkAllen:

Bump - voting starts in 10 hours Final/closing arguments called for

@GothamRed: @ClarkAllen: Votng now open all round 1 debates

@beatboks1: okay how do we vote?

@GothamRed: The way you'd vote in anything.

Everyone can only vote on the matches of others. read the debates for each match and vote for who you think gave the better debate