Fantastic 4 and Avengers vs Darkseid and the army of Apokalypse

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#1  Edited By joshmightbe

Darkseid has taken Franklin Richards after hearing of his potential power and his army is preparing to conquer the Marvel universe. Reed Richards recruits the Avengers to help the FF get his son back and prevent the invasion.  
All current avengers on all avengers teams are present and at current power levels(Thor who has use of Odin Force)
Johnny is alive for this 
FF and Avengers get 3 days prep time 
No ultimate nullifier or cosmic cubes or any such weapons 
 
can they bring Franklin home and save their universe

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#2  Edited By joshmightbe

Any thoughts?

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#3  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
uh no darkseid not using a avatar if with franklin they have no hope, than add in his army and no way
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#4  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator

Roster?

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#5  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: He's hasn't got control over Franklin's power 
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#6  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@JediXMan said:
" Roster? "
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#7  Edited By Lance Uppercut
@texasdeathmatch said:
" @JediXMan said:
" Roster? "
"
 
   

All current avengers on all avengers teams are present and at current power levels 
Johnny is alive for this 
FF and Avengers get 3 days prep time 

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#8  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@Lance Uppercut: Ugh, you're going to make me go on their page and find them. Too much work.
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All current Avengers & FF would mean: 
Luke Cage 
Iron Fist 
Spider-Man 
Wolverine 
Jewel 
Mockingbird 
Ms. Marvel  
Thing
Doctor Strange 
Thor 
Iron Man 
Protector 
Hawkeye 
Spider-Woman 
Bucky 
Red Hulk 
Steve Rogers 
Moon Knight 
Black Widow 
Prince of Orphans 
Shang Chi 
Valkyrie 
Beast  
Reed 
Invisible Woman 
Human Torch
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#10  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
he doesnt need it darkseid in his true form is crazy powerful, his avatars he can create at will are around superman level but his true form is a heck lot more powerful and they dont stand a chance against him while he has the omega effect than add in his army 
 
also i meant he was just with franklin not with his power
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I guess you could add Avengers Academy too: 
Veil  
Striker
Hazmat 
Reptil 
Mettle 
Finesse 
Tigra 
Hank Pym 
Justice 
Speedball   
Quicksilver 
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#12  Edited By Lance Uppercut
@texasdeathmatch: I generally wait for someone else to do the work for me. 
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#13  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Jake Fury: 
 
Darkseid solos.
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@JediXMan said:
" @Jake Fury:   Darkseid solos."

I think so too. Not nearly enough firepower on that collection of Avengers.
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#15  Edited By joshmightbe
@Jake Fury: what if I gave Thor limited use of the Odin force
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#16  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
what do you mean limited?
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#17  Edited By ghostrider fan1
@Valtot: probably like a certain amount of it can be used but if that happens yes the avengers could win without it there chances are slim
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#18  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: like half power odinforce or maybe let him have the full force isn't the true form of Darkseid skyfather level or close to it?
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#19  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
half the odin force hmm well darkseid could just take thor out quickly on his own than while his armies destroy everyone else than darkseid procceds to finish off anyone who survived
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#20  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: so would it be more fair to just give Thor full use of OF
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#21  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
would make the fight fairer yes but it sais all current versions and thor with odin force could possibly match darkseid in his true form as long as hes not in his actual true form (new gods are like planetary giants compared to people like superman), though if they somehow got to apokalypse without a boom tube id expect them to be meeting the actual sizes of darkseid and his army and they dont even slightly stand a chance
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#22  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: Ok I edited the OP so Thor has OF and Lets say they did have a Boom tube so no giants except when Hank gets big
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#23  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
is darkseid allowed to become a giant with the omega effect anyway?, but anyway darkseid can take on OF thor while his army takes on everyone else
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#24  Edited By Dark Noldor

Thor can destroy Darkseid
It would be an easy fight
The Avengers defeated Kang´s army
alone so defeating Apokolips´minions
wouldn´t be so tough
For those who would disagree with me,
remind that Reed could easily create a 
device to nulify Darkseid´s powers or even
threaten to destroy the planet.
´Nuff Said

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#25  Edited By Valtot
@Dark Noldor:
reed wouldnt do that there on a rescue mission, the avengers couldnt take down darkseids entire army, thor cant destroy darkseid in his true form (non avatar) infact darkseid could take down odin force thor with his omega effect in 1 shot maybe
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#26  Edited By Hellos

Three days of prep for Reed Richards? 
I wonder what plot device Reed could come up with in three days.
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#27  Edited By ghostrider fan1
@Hellos: he has an infiniti gem they could use if this is before avengers # 7 might even the odds even more but yea with OF thor can take on darkseid and the avengers can take on anyone else pretty fair fight now id say that the avengers could possibly win here
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#28  Edited By Hellos
@ghostrider fan1 said:
" @Hellos: he has an infiniti gem they could use if this is before avengers # 7 might even the odds even more but yea with OF thor can take on darkseid and the avengers can take on anyone else pretty fair fight now id say that the avengers could possibly win here "

Which gem?
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#29  Edited By joshmightbe
@Hellos: Anyone with the power gem would be a problem for anyone
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#30  Edited By MarvelJackAss433

Human Torch isn't a current member of the FF

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#31  Edited By joshmightbe
@MarvelJackAss433: I only said current avengers Johnny is in the FF for this battle
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#32  Edited By Hellos
@joshmightbe said:
" @Hellos: Anyone with the power gem would be a problem for anyone "

Is it the power gem?
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#33  Edited By joshmightbe
@Hellos: I don't know I didn't bring up the gems, though the time and reality gems could present just as much of a threat if not more
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#34  Edited By Hellos
@joshmightbe said:
" @Hellos: I don't know I didn't bring up the gems, though the time and reality gems could present just as much of a threat if not more "

Not sure if anyone here could really use the reality gem, but the Time or Power gem would give team one a BIG advantage and by big advantage make it an incredibly one sided fight in their favor.
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#35  Edited By joshmightbe
@Hellos: honestly i wasn't really considering them as part of the fight they were just randomly brought into the conversation
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#36  Edited By Hellos
@joshmightbe said:
" @Hellos: honestly i wasn't really considering them as part of the fight they were just randomly brought into the conversation "

Which if fine, most people are going to say Darkseid solos either way, even with whatever gem included.  
You could make it Rune Lord Thor and we'd still be hearing about Darkseid soloing. =-)
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#37  Edited By joshmightbe
@Hellos: I could've said rune king with destroyer armor and the Infinity Gauntlet and someone would say Darkseid solos so I'm not worrying about those comments
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#38  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
no one would of said darkseid could beat rune king thor or take someone with infinity gauntlet or even with a infinity gem thats just rediculous, darkseid in his true form is just to powerful for them theyd need silver surfer but seriously dont just say that to dis people who say darkseid wins because yous dont like it
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#39  Edited By Hellos
@Valtot said:
"@joshmightbe: no one would of said darkseid could beat rune king thor or take someone with infinity gauntlet or even with a infinity gem thats just rediculous, darkseid in his true form is just to powerful for them theyd need silver surfer but seriously dont just say that to dis people who say darkseid wins because yous dont like it "

I'm pretty sure someone has said both, although taking on the IG would be a lot less posters. 
Darkseid has quite a lot of faith for his fights placed on his beams.
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#40  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: I wasn't dising anyone I was just acknowledging the fact  that some people will stubbornly argue that a character they like will win no matter what if you want proof check out any storm battle thread, as far as this thread goes I still think it could go either way 
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#41  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
yes i agree there are stupid people like that but most aernt like that and some people use this as a debate tactic which is not right
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#42  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: Which is exactly why I'd simply ignore any comments like that and I believe considering with full use of the Odin Force making him skyfather level makes him pretty much Darkseid's equals unless you have some proof of Darkseid being beyond a skyfather power wise
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#43  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
skyfathers from marvel and dc are very different for one, thor as odin force thor wasnt as powerful as he should be though most likely because he wasnt as skilled as odin at it while his older incarnation king thor was more skilled with it but still not at odins level
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#44  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: That is true but Thor still has the potential to be as powerful as Odin with the OF and a situation like this might be just the motivation he needs to meet that potential 
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#45  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:  
its not about motivation though its about skilled and experience with the power, odin had a very very very long time to get that skilled with the power, thor while King thor was older with more skill with it but not at odins level yet, part of what made ring king thor so powerful could be argued with his knowledge thanks to the runes he could use the odin force to full effect plus a enhancement from the runes
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#46  Edited By joshmightbe

I think an OF backed godblast from Thor could counteract the Omega Beam

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#47  Edited By Valtot
@joshmightbe:
yes but godblast is very draining and could be dodged with either a boom tube to teleport it or just teleporting out of the way and bringing some of the avengers infront of the godblast so thor kills his own team mates lol
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#48  Edited By joshmightbe
@Valtot: A very good point
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#49  Edited By ghostrider fan1
@Hellos said:
" @joshmightbe said:
" @Hellos: Anyone with the power gem would be a problem for anyone "
Is it the power gem? "
yes this is the power gem im talking about reed had it in his lab
@Hellos said:
" @joshmightbe said:
" @Hellos: honestly i wasn't really considering them as part of the fight they were just randomly brought into the conversation "
Which if fine, most people are going to say Darkseid solos either way, even with whatever gem included.  You could make it Rune Lord Thor and we'd still be hearing about Darkseid soloing. =-) "

hopefully not RKT beat down darkseid in the thread i made wasn't even close but yea ppl would still say that bull lol
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#50  Edited By nefarious

Darkseid would have them stand in a  line. First, he would give the Avengers pimp slaps back to the Marvel Universe and then give the F4 the worst beating of their lives along with a teleporter back to the MU.