Exodus and Magik vs. Martian Manhunter and Raven

Without morals Martian rips both of them in half

Martian is just too strong and with Raven? That's a win

" Without morals Martian rips both of them in half "

"Without morals Martian rips both of them in half "

Exodus is very hard to kill, his TP is not par with MM's, But is versatile enough to pull something off, but doubt he would win, Magik, may be able to beat raven, if she does and Exodus is still live, they can double team MM, and possibly win.  
 
Granted this is only a small chance, they win 8 out of 100 times

Team 2

" @crackerjack82: Interesting. I've read a lot of DC as a kid but I've mostly read Marvel, so I know all about most of it's characters. I never thought MM was that powerful of a telepath, what all can he do? And how does his level compare to some of Marvel's telepaths? "

The Martian never really mindraped the Spectre. He entered Spectre's mind and dragged him to the astral plane, and although there seemed to be some unrest on Spectre's part, J'onn's intention was never to cause any mental harm to him nor was there. 

I actually don't think either the Martian Manhunter or Raven have the power to take Magik down - she's immune to most subtle uses of telepathy or empathic manipulation, which neutralizes most of Raven's repertoire and Martian Manhunter's mental powers, and her soulsword is easily more potent than Raven's soul self; Raven's powers come from magic, but she is not really a magic user - she has no defense against a weapon like the soulsword and it could either kill her, disrupt her powers or quickly incapacitate her. If Magik used her most potent tactic off the bat, and with her mindset and personality, there is no reason to think she wouldn't, and teleported them all to Limbo where she is most powerful, she could easily defeat both of them. 
 
Considering how inconsistent the Martian Manhunter is, I also think Exodus could beat him or keep him busy long enough for Magik to finish off Raven and then take M.M. out. 
 
I really think Magik is a wildcard whose mutant power of time and dimensional travel is so instantaneous that it should be considered Omega class, and in her favored dimension, she is nigh-omnipotent. I actually think this is tough to call; I give this to Team 1, because Magik and Exodus have consistent power levels and feats, whereas Raven and Martian Manhunter fluctuate between usefulness and being low-balled in legitimate storylines - though they should be powerful, they have enough limits and issues that they are less dangerous than characters with weaker powers but more training and higher combat training.

"For example, M.M. is faster but he would most likely try telepathy first while Superman or Supergirl would try to use their strength first, IMHO, whereas a character whose primary power is superspeed, like Flash, Aurora, Northstar or Quicksilver, would be more likely to utilize their super reflexes and speed to take out a character ASAP.   

" @Silver2467: The thing is - superhuman reflexes don't really apply to her. Her mystical armor and soulsword appears immediately when she is attacked. Since these are mystical in nature, superhuman powers will be blunted, so even he tries to speedblitz her, her soularmor will come up and she'll most likely teleport automatically. Also, the soularmor confers a degree of superhuman strength to her, so she could survive a incapacitating blow. And she can teleport through time, so she could conceivably be beaten one day, and use her teleportation disc to go back in time to win. Plus her mystical abilities in the real world have been increased, but she has always had the power to sense mystical presences and perform astral projection, which further neutralize Raven's soulsword. Another factor: her teleportation discs are instantaneous unless she specifically wills them to be centered on a particular space; M.M. could try to speedblitz her and be thrown into Limbo out of instinct. Combined with her psionic shields, these additional abilities really put her on a level above where she would seem to be at first glance. She's similar to M.M. in that she can really be a wildcard.    

" @Silver2467: You seem to be assuming that she would be fighting him alone. If you look at my initial response, I stated that Magik would take out Raven while Exodus fought Martian Manhunter. I think Exodus can beat Martian Manhunter, and Team 1's odds of victory increase when Exodus and Magik are concentrating on M.M. Exodus seems much more powerful than M.M., and even if weakened, could drain M.M.'s psionic energy to bring himself up back to full capacity whereh is super strength, energy blasts, force fields, teleportation and telepathy could be more than a match for M.M. Plus he can heal himself and has survived & recovered from having his organs blasted apart by Dust.  "

" @Silver2467:  Do reflexes or superspeed matter when the teleporter can simply vanish and re-appear somewhere else?   

"@Silver2467:  Do reflexes or superspeed matter when the teleporter can simply vanish and re-appear somewhere else? Technically, instant teleportation is a match for or superior to superspeed, and I don't see either character going into this without their guard up. Exodus can teleport and has extremely strong TK shields at levels high enough to make him counted as one of the most powerful mutants. Also, tt's not like either Magik or Exodus can be tracked mentally; Exodus telepathy was on par with Professor X's at one point (during Legacy) and Magik has the psi-shields. J'Onn has super speed but the battlefield conditions said all the fighters were at their most powerful and with bloodlust on, I don't see either Magik or Exodus being easy opponents to pin down and speed blitz. They're not going to stand around in one place when their main advantage is mobility and being able to take the battlefield wherever they want. Magik can take out Raven while Exodus keeps Martian Manhunter busy with mental assaults and TK attacks, and then Magik sends M.M. away to Limbo where their advantage increases. Oh yeah, not implying that this is a stomp or an easy match, but I just don't think M.M.'s speed or telepathy easily gives him a win, and I still think Raven is weaker than Magik in combat, so to me, this comes down to Magik and Exodus double-teaming M.M. As stated before, Magik is the wildcard; if she takes out Raven and both consolidate their focus on M.M., Team 1 wins. If Magik goes down, I still think Exodus can take her out, but wouldn't be able to overcome M.M. alone. "

" @Silver2467:  I disagree. If Nightcrawler teleported randomly leading Wonder Woman on a wild goose chase, she couldn't hit him, because she can't predict where he would be. He wouldn't win but if this was an analogous situation, he'd buy time for a more powerful teammate to nail Wonder Woman. We are dealing with two characters, one of whom can teleport through time, space and multiple dimensions in an instant and the other can teleport anywhere on the planet.   

RE: Magik's psi shields: Her mental barriers block any telepathy from working on her. Prof. X, Rachel w/Phoenix and The Shadow King are top-level Marvel telepaths and they couldn't do it. We aren't dealing with low or mid-level telepaths - The Shadow King has powers that can work on a very large scale; during the Muir Island saga, he controlled most of the X-Men and made them fight each other and it took Prof. X, Cyclops, Jean, Storm, and a few others of his favorite students to beat him on the astral plane - that's two high Omega level telepaths (though Jean wasn't at her full potential at the time) to bring him down. The fact that Magik resisted him back in New Mutants 53 shows a high degree of psychic defense. And Rachel with the Phoenix Force had her telepathy hyped to Omega levels - she wasn' at her full potential then, but that's exceptional. Prof X at the time was the most powerful telepath on the planet. She's never had a low showing with her psi shields, either - she's consistently been shown to have to allow a telepath into her mind for them to read it. It's possible that this is magical and demonic in nature; one time, Emma Frost tried to attack Magik's mind, and demons flowed out of her body. Further, Dr. Strange, while he was the Sorcerer Supreme of Marvel and nigh-omnipotent with the ability to house the consciousness of Eternity also couldn't penetrate Illyana's mind when she first returned from Limbo. "

" @PhoenixoftheTides said:

" @Silver2467:  I disagree. If Nightcrawler teleported randomly leading Wonder Woman on a wild goose chase, she couldn't hit him, because she can't predict where he would be. He wouldn't win but if this was an analogous situation, he'd buy time for a more powerful teammate to nail Wonder Woman. We are dealing with two characters, one of whom can teleport through time, space and multiple dimensions in an instant and the other can teleport anywhere on the planet.   

Except that Diana is fast enough to perceive Nightcrawler as if he was standing still. Spider-Man can keep up with Kurt, but Wonder Woman would be incapable of the same feat? 
 
He would lose, one way or another. 
 

RE: Magik's psi shields: Her mental barriers block any telepathy from working on her. Prof. X, Rachel w/Phoenix and The Shadow King are top-level Marvel telepaths and they couldn't do it. We aren't dealing with low or mid-level telepaths - The Shadow King has powers that can work on a very large scale; during the Muir Island saga, he controlled most of the X-Men and made them fight each other and it took Prof. X, Cyclops, Jean, Storm, and a few others of his favorite students to beat him on the astral plane - that's two high Omega level telepaths (though Jean wasn't at her full potential at the time) to bring him down. The fact that Magik resisted him back in New Mutants 53 shows a high degree of psychic defense. And Rachel with the Phoenix Force had her telepathy hyped to Omega levels - she wasn' at her full potential then, but that's exceptional. Prof X at the time was the most powerful telepath on the planet. She's never had a low showing with her psi shields, either - she's consistently been shown to have to allow a telepath into her mind for them to read it. It's possible that this is magical and demonic in nature; one time, Emma Frost tried to attack Magik's mind, and demons flowed out of her body. Further, Dr. Strange, while he was the Sorcerer Supreme of Marvel and nigh-omnipotent with the ability to house the consciousness of Eternity also couldn't penetrate Illyana's mind when she first returned from Limbo. "

Alright. So, even if telepathy is not a viable tactic (which may or may not be the case, since I have no context or other information surrounding these), what is there preventing the Martian from just killing her before she can react? This still has not been addressed.  "

" @Silver2467:
Magik could beat Superman because, as you should know, magic is one of his weaknesses; just like kryptonite. Her armor is mystical in nature, meaning he might probably injure himself or the blow would have little or somewhat less of an effect than if he hit her without it. All she would have to do is teleport him (or MM, or Raven; the latter could be easily killed if Magik could get just one quick swipe with her soulsword) to Limbo and her already more powerful magic on earth would be amplified in Limbo where she is sorceress supreme (also a Limbo-based sorceress). Her knowledege of powerful spells would make quick work of most of her opponents (especially Superman), others would be difficult but would ultimately fall (unless they come up with something before she does). "

" @Silver2467: He won't get a chance; if she was bloodlusted, she wouldn't try to fight him on Earth. She'd teleport them straightaway to Limbo where she has the advantage. He's faster, but not faster than her teleportation disc - especially not if she scryed first to pinpoint where he is and then brought him to where she was. You're assuming that his speed would mean something but if her teleportation is based on time/space and is instantaneous he would be in Limbo before he could use his speed. "

" @Silver2467:
That's very impressive. But I don't think he could take out Xavier that easily based on sheer skill alone. As demonstrated by Emma Frost in a battle against the Phoenix enhanced and omega level Rachel Grey, Emma defeated Rachel in an astral battle despite Rachel's raw and much higher power by outflanking that power with her superior skill. Even a less powerful but more skilled telepath such as Emma or even Xavier could beat MM, provided their skills outclassed his. "

Four: You were the one who brought up Superman, so I decided to check you on how you thought just because he's Superman that he would automatically win against less notable characters like Magik.  

Five: you have no idea how fast she can react to attacks, so don't assume she'd be defenseless against a blitz and would go down easily. She is the ruler of Limbo, a place filled with demons, so she probably has experience with reacting to suprise attacks; she is also a member of the New Mutants on earth and they fight enemies of all different speeds and strengths, so she's had her fill of opponents faster or stronger than her.     

Wonder Woman would destroy Nightcrawler.  
 
J'onn is too fast for both Exodus and Magik. 

" Wonder Woman would destroy Nightcrawler.   J'onn is too fast for both Exodus and Magik.  "

With no morals, J'onn would rip Exodus and Magik's head off before they could even think to teleport.

" @BlackDove: Yeah, but I think Magik can take her - Magik can use magic unlike Raven whose powers derive from magic, has a weapon and immunity that disrupt Raven's main method of attack and her teleportation ability seems more powerful. Plus Magik is the Sorceress Supreme of a demonic dimension so she's way more powerful in Limbo, where she'd most likely take the battle, as well. "

" @BlackDove:  Losing morals does not necessarily mean that they are willing to destroy themselves to win.  "