#1 Posted by venomsapprentice (631 posts) - - Show Bio

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

#2 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Sidious needs a power ring, he can do pretty well without it from what i've heard

#3 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (24111 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

#4 Posted by uroborosphael (77 posts) - - Show Bio

Can't Superman speedblitz?

#5 Posted by venomsapprentice (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@uroborosphael said:

Can't Superman speedblitz?

Yeah. I gave Sid the power ring so he wouldn't be one shoted.

#6 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@uroborosphael said:

Can't Superman speedblitz?

he could...but then sidious haunts him in ghost form or whatever

#7 Posted by venomsapprentice (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@uroborosphael said:

Can't Superman speedblitz?

he could...but then sidious haunts him in ghost form or whatever

O.K then.

What if Supes had Martian Manhunter as backup?

#8 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomsapprentice said:

@Jayfournines said:

@uroborosphael said:

Can't Superman speedblitz?

he could...but then sidious haunts him in ghost form or whatever

O.K then.

What if Supes had Martian Manhunter as backup?

the thing is that, Sidious is an ethereal threat, even when dead he's ridiculously overpowered and uber...so...he wins. I mean, in an actual physical fight Palpatine wouldn't do much to Superman since Clark moves at lightspeed...but if he ever gets close enough, or slows down, Palpatine can screw with his mind, and if he ever dies, Sidious' ghost is much more than Clark could handle.

Not a Starwars expert by any means...but, I think Sidious takes it

#9 Posted by XImpossibruX (5171 posts) - - Show Bio

EU Sideous barely.

#10 Posted by kemevilwineveering (6 posts) - - Show Bio

EU Sideous easily, Supes can't physically harm him since he'll jump bodies the minute Clark rips him in half.

#11 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomsapprentice said:

@Jayfournines said:

@uroborosphael said:

Can't Superman speedblitz?

he could...but then sidious haunts him in ghost form or whatever

O.K then.

What if Supes had Martian Manhunter as backup?

Martian Manhunter? This becomes an instant stomp. Martian Manhunter uses Telepathy and kills Sidious. Or, Manhunter becomes invisible and sneaks up behind Palpatine, turns into a monster and eats sidious. Sidious wouldn't even SEE Martian Manhunter, which is would make this a stomp.

#12 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine stomps.

Despite Superman's actual speed, his mind-reaction is nowhere near that level, while Palpatine's is. Palpatine has relativistic-like levels of reaction, and possibly beyond, as well as having sufficient telepathy to overwhelm Superman, having mind-wiped twenty billion people instantaneously and simultaneously effortlessly.

Even if Superman kills Palpatine, Palpatine would simply use Essence Transfer and possess Superman's body.

Superman has no answer for his telepathy nor his Force Drain, nor his Force Storms.

@XImpossibruX said:

EU Sideous barely.

Not true.

@Jayfournines said:

the thing is that, Sidious is an ethereal threat, even when dead he's ridiculously overpowered and uber...so...he wins. I mean, in an actual physical fight Palpatine wouldn't do much to Superman since Clark moves at lightspeed...but if he ever gets close enough, or slows down, Palpatine can screw with his mind, and if he ever dies, Sidious' ghost is much more than Clark could handle.

Not a Starwars expert by any means...but, I think Sidious takes it

Umm...... what? First of all, Palpatine can react to any light-speed, but Superman won't be doing that in a planet.

@MasterJohn said:

Martian Manhunter? This becomes an instant stomp. Martian Manhunter uses Telepathy and kills Sidious.

What? Martian Manhunter does not instantly kill Sidious via telepathy. Sidious has effortlessly, simultaneously and instantaneously mind-wiped twenty billion people, and automatically drained twenty billion beings on one planet for years while travelling throughout an entire galaxy. His presence turned one of the most thriving planets into a Dark Side nexus.

Or, Manhunter becomes invisible and sneaks up behind Palpatine, turns into a monster and eats sidious. Sidious wouldn't even SEE Martian Manhunter, which is would make this a stomp.

And I love how you think seeing means anything to Palpatine. If he relied solely on seeing things physically, he wouldn't even be able to react to saber strikes. Palpatine has both clairvoyance and precognition working spontaneously and instantaneously, and can sense emotions and create/destroy telepathic links across the galaxy, manipulate emotions across the galaxy, see emotions occurring in the past/future etc.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

The only correct answer.

#13 Posted by JediXMan (30321 posts) - - Show Bio

@uroborosphael said:

Can't Superman speedblitz?

He has the ability to dodge attacks around light speed. And assuming he did accomplish this, Palpatine can transfer his essence into Superman, possessing him.

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#14 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

He has the ability to dodge attacks around light speed. And assuming he did accomplish this, Palpatine can transfer his essence into Superman, possessing him.

You mean less than light speed, slightly, but less nonetheless. Although Palpatine could indeed dodge relativistic-speed strikes, but I was talking about shown feats.

#15 Posted by TheSyndicate (41 posts) - - Show Bio

EU Palpatine could posses supes or drain his life force either way its a stomp.

#16 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomsapprentice said:

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

Honestly, granting a ring is not really necessary. Sidious stomps without the ring.

#17 Posted by JediXMan (30321 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@JediXMan said:

He has the ability to dodge attacks around light speed. And assuming he did accomplish this, Palpatine can transfer his essence into Superman, possessing him.

You mean less than light speed, slightly, but less nonetheless. Although Palpatine could indeed dodge relativistic-speed strikes, but I was talking about shown feats.

I said "around light speed," not "light speed." Around; a circle around the speed of light, essentially meaning either less than or more than. More or less. About.

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#18 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: @JediXMan:

While I agree that Sideous would likely win this via essence transfer, what feats put him above Superman in reaction time? Superman has faster than light reflexes, a necessary by product of faster than light movement.

#19 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: Okay, okay.

@Baldy: So does Palpatine.

#20 Posted by Dextersinister (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman would be able to resist most of Sids moves and knock him out. Things like this would floor Superman when he is on a team, on his own he has mustered the willpower or found ways around similar attacks.

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#21 Posted by daak1212 (7901 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh palpatine rapes

#22 Posted by Baldy (5021 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@JediXMan: Okay, okay.

@Baldy: So does Palpatine.

Can you post a feat where he has reacted at speeds multiple times the speed of light?

#23 Posted by lordraiden (7013 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomsapprentice said:

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

So.....what is the purpose of that in this battle?@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

Then you haven't read no where next to enough Superman.

#24 Posted by venomsapprentice (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@venomsapprentice said:

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

Honestly, granting a ring is not really necessary. Sidious stomps without the ring.

Maybe the question should be, what in the dc universe COULD kill Sideous.

#25 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman.

#26 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (24111 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordraiden said:

@venomsapprentice said:

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

So.....what is the purpose of that in this battle?@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

Then you haven't read no where next to enough Superman.

Yes I have. Prove to me when Supes has resisted Planet level TP or Resisted his Life force getting drained. Prove to me when Supes has resisted essence transfer until then quit the nonsense.

@jeanroygrant said:

Superman.

Get's stomped

#27 Edited by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

Superman.

Fails big time.

@lordraiden said:

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

Then you haven't read no where next to enough Superman.

I love how you have commented on a subject you possess little knowledge on. Show me Superman resisting a drain that affects 20 billion people on one planet for years just because Palpatine wants to, and it was in effect even when he travelled across the galaxy.

Suggesting Superman can resist Palpatine's TP is laughable. Palpatine has effortlessly mind wiped 20 billion people on one planet (Byss) simultaneously and instantaneously. Martian Manhunter has defeated Superman with telepathy.

Once again, Superman has no feats suggesting that he can resist Essence Transfer, even in the slightest.

Superman still has nothing to save him against Wormholes that rip through space-time continuum and annihilate entire planet surfaces/fleets/moons and so on:

@Baldy said:

Can you post a feat where he has reacted at speeds multiple times the speed of light?

Ummm...... Post-52 Superman has done that? If he has, I probably haven't been following him closely enough.

But, to answer your question, no, except Palpatine has shown levels or reaction just below someone (Luke)'s who can see near-light speeds in slow motion.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@lordraiden said:

@venomsapprentice said:

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

So.....what is the purpose of that in this battle?@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

Then you haven't read no where next to enough Superman.

Yes I have. Prove to me when Supes has resisted Planet level TP or Resisted his Life force getting drained. Prove to me when Supes has resisted essence transfer until then quit the nonsense.

@jeanroygrant said:

Superman.

Get's stomped

And you/JXM etc. are the only people debating with enough knowledge on Palpatine.

#28 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@lordraiden said:

@venomsapprentice said:

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

So.....what is the purpose of that in this battle?@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

Then you haven't read no where next to enough Superman.

Yes I have. Prove to me when Supes has resisted Planet level TP or Resisted his Life force getting drained. Prove to me when Supes has resisted essence transfer until then quit the nonsense.

@jeanroygrant said:

Superman.

Get's stomped

How?

#29 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: If you even bothered to read the above posts, you would know how.

#30 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@jeanroygrant: If you even bothered to read the above posts, you would know how.

Why do you guys have to be so rude, jeez.

#31 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: I was never being rude, but perhaps flat. If so, I apologize.

#32 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

Palpatine stomps.

Despite Superman's actual speed, his mind-reaction is nowhere near that level, while Palpatine's is. Palpatine has relativistic-like levels of reaction, and possibly beyond, as well as having sufficient telepathy to overwhelm Superman, having mind-wiped twenty billion people instantaneously and simultaneously effortlessly.

Even if Superman kills Palpatine, Palpatine would simply use Essence Transfer and possess Superman's body.

Superman has no answer for his telepathy nor his Force Drain, nor his Force Storms.

@XImpossibruX said:

EU Sideous barely.

Not true.

@Jayfournines said:

the thing is that, Sidious is an ethereal threat, even when dead he's ridiculously overpowered and uber...so...he wins. I mean, in an actual physical fight Palpatine wouldn't do much to Superman since Clark moves at lightspeed...but if he ever gets close enough, or slows down, Palpatine can screw with his mind, and if he ever dies, Sidious' ghost is much more than Clark could handle.

Not a Starwars expert by any means...but, I think Sidious takes it

Umm...... what? First of all, Palpatine can react to any light-speed, but Superman won't be doing that in a planet.

@MasterJohn said:

Martian Manhunter? This becomes an instant stomp. Martian Manhunter uses Telepathy and kills Sidious.

What? Martian Manhunter does not instantly kill Sidious via telepathy. Sidious has effortlessly, simultaneously and instantaneously mind-wiped twenty billion people, and automatically drained twenty billion beings on one planet for years while travelling throughout an entire galaxy. His presence turned one of the most thriving planets into a Dark Side nexus.

Or, Manhunter becomes invisible and sneaks up behind Palpatine, turns into a monster and eats sidious. Sidious wouldn't even SEE Martian Manhunter, which is would make this a stomp.

And I love how you think seeing means anything to Palpatine. If he relied solely on seeing things physically, he wouldn't even be able to react to saber strikes. Palpatine has both clairvoyance and precognition working spontaneously and instantaneously, and can sense emotions and create/destroy telepathic links across the galaxy, manipulate emotions across the galaxy, see emotions occurring in the past/future etc.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

Palpatine stomps. He does not need a power ring, Supes has no answers for TP, Life Force Drain, Essence Transfer, or Force Storms.

The only correct answer.

Do you think Sidious can just "mindwipe" one of the most POWERFUL Telepath's on Earth? In the DCU for that matter.

Twenty billion? Source please. Are you trying to tell me, Sidious could instantly kill Martian Manhuner? Nova, you have been in many threads debating, and you have defended your points well. But, Sidious can NOT kill Martian Manhunter with ease, and Sidious can NOT easily just 'wipe" his mind. Until you have a canon Source that Sidious can, then I'l believe you. He can create and destroy telepathic links? Source please. Palpatine isn't a god, he can't destroy Martian Manhunter in a blink.

#33 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomsapprentice said:

@ShootingNova said:

@venomsapprentice said:

Sideous has a yellow power ring fully charged but no lantern

Fight happens in the dc universe (but no help for either character)

Sideous knows about Kryptonite but doesn't have any

Who wins under these conditions? And what would it take to make this a more even fight?

Honestly, granting a ring is not really necessary. Sidious stomps without the ring.

Maybe the question should be, what in the dc universe COULD kill Sideous.

That's easy, The Presence, Doctor Fate, Darkseid, Wonder Woman, Merlin, Zatanna, and many many more.

#34 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn said:

Twenty billion? Source please.

Dark Empire.

Are you trying to tell me, Sidious could instantly kill Martian Manhuner? Nova, you have been in many threads debating, and you have defended your points well. But, Sidious can NOT kill Martian Manhunter with ease, and Sidious can NOT easily just 'wipe" his mind. Until you have a canon Source that Sidious can, then I'l believe you.

He can create and destroy telepathic links? Source please

Outside, the wind picked up another notch, shrieking and groaning among the eleven chimneys as if to announce the arrival of a hideous guest. Dooku's comm console chimed. He glanced over, expecting the daily report from General Grievous, or perhaps a message from Asajj Ventress. He reached over to open the channel, ecognized the digital signature of the incoming transmission, jabbed the channel open, and snapped to his feet. "You called, my Master?"

The hologrammic projector on his desk sprang to life, and the wavering form of Darth Sidious regarded him. As always the picture was oozy and unclear, as if light itself were uneasy in the presence of the Lord of the Sith. Dark robes, purple shadows—a patch of skin, pale and mottled under his hooded cloak like a fungus growing under a rotten log. From under heavy lids the Master's eyes, snake-cold and serpent-wise, regarded him.

"What would you have of me, Master?"

"From you? Everything, of course." Darth Sidious sounded amused. "There was a time when I wasn't sure if you would be able to overcome that...independent streak of yours. After all, you were born to one of the wealthiest families in the galaxy, with gifts and abilities far, far greater than any amount of wealth could bestow. Your understanding is deep; your will, adamant. Is it any wonder you should be proud? Why, how could it be otherwise?"

Dooku said, "I have always served you well and faithfully, my Master."

"You have. But you must admit, your spirit was not made for fidelity. After all, a man who will not bow to the Jedi Council, or even Master Yoda...I wondered if perhaps loyalty was too mean, too confining a thing to ask from so great a being as yourself."

Dooku tried to smile. "The war progresses well. Our plans are on schedule. I have dealt out your deaths, your schemes, your betrayals. I have paid for your war with my time, my riches, my friends, and my honor."

"Holding nothing back?" Sidious asked lightly.

"Nothing. I swear it."

"Excellent," Darth Sidious said. "Yoda came to the Chancellor's office this morning. He is going on a very special mission. Top secret." He laughed, a harsh sound like the bark of a crow. The wind rose again, shrieking around the mansion like a creature in torment. "When he arrives, Dooku...see that you treat him as he deserves."

Darth Sidious laughed. Dooku wanted to laugh along, but couldn't quite manage it before his Master cut the connection and disappeared.

Dooku paced his office. With the end of Sidious' call, the storm had slackened, and the shrieking wind outside now only sobbed quietly under the gables of Château Malreaux.

-- Taken from Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

Palpatine isn't a god, he can't destroy Martian Manhunter in a blink.

I never said he was a god.

You're asking for some quotes. I'll give you some.

And then there was Palpatine, of course: he was beyond power. He showed nothing of what might be within. Though seen with the eyes of the dark side itself, Palpatine was an event horizon. Beneath his entirely ordinary surface was absolute, perfect nothingness. Darkness beyond darkness. A black hole of the Force.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Plagueis made a soothing gesture and explained in great detail what had taken place. Concluding, he said, "He threatened, too, to place you out of reach."
All the while Plagueis spoke, Palpatine was storming through circles on the narrow path, shaking his head in anger and balling his fists. "He can't do this!" he snarled. He hasn't the right! I won't allow it!"
Palpatine's fury buffeted Plagueis. Blossoms growing along the sides of the pathway folded in on themselves, and their pollinators began to buzz in agitation. FourDee reacted, as well, wobbling on its feet, as if in the grip of a powerful electromagnet. Had this human truly been born of flesh-and-blood parents? Plagueis asked himself. When, in fact, he seemed sprung from nature itself. Was the Force so strong in him that it had concealed itself?

--Taken from Darth Plagueis

The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a chaotic nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes

In truth, Palpatine was well versed in the ways of the Force, having been apprentice to Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Sith Lord who was a master of arcane and unnatural knowledge. In true Sith tradition, Palpatine murdered his Master upon receiving the skill and ability to do so.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.

--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

Anakin has reacted fast enough to dodge lightning and even see ships moving at sublight speeds in slow-motion,

Obi-Wan was already making that exact move as Anakin spoke. But they were inverted to each other: breaking right shot him one way while Anakin whipped the other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip. His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"
"My thought exactly."
They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot. The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser. For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.
But these particular pilots were far from merely human.
The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

---Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Yet Anakin cannot even see Sidious:

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.
The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?
Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

-- Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Then you have his wormholes:

#35 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyeusouso: What "remark" are you on about?

Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's vile machinations.

Throughout the worlds submissive to the Empire, Byss is renowned as a paradise, whose siren call multitudes to willingly apply for emigration to its shores. Once there, wrapped in the power of the dark side, the immigrants become completely submissive, their life energy forever enslaved to the mind that would devour a galaxy.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes.

This is a reference to the people living on Byss (twenty billion) being mind-wiped/drained/enslaved to the "mind" that is Palpatine.

What better lure for multitudes than Byss's siren call of beauty and peace? Once there, their wills are destroyed by the Emperor and his Adepts, and replaced with an illusion of tranquility as they blissfully surrender their life energy to sustain the Emperor.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook

Some other quotes, in case anybody wants more:

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook

"The churning energy mass of a Force Storm can consume everything it touches, for at its eye is pure hate. Just as a black hole devours a star, this storm can swallow armies and fold space."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook and the Tales of the Jedi Companion

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."
—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to not only control these storms, but to create them.

--Taken from Handbook Volume Three: Dark Empire

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

By sheer force of will, Palpatine is able to return from the void with no host tethering his spirit to the physical realm.

Palpatine's body was destroyed. Separated from his clones, Palpatine was forced to survive in the maddening, bodiless existence of the void. Through sheer will he retained his identity, crossing the gulf of space to again take up residence in his clone body.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source.

Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"

This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine's Lightning overpowers Yoda's Force Deflection.

In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness. Then there were only the two of them. Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

His Lightning overloads Yoda's limit on Force Absorption.

The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

For some of these quotes, Silver2467 gets the credit for, either due to:

1. I can't be bothered looking too many quotes up/typing them all up and used his respect thread to get them quickly.

2. I don't have the sources where these quotes come from.

But, these are quotes that prove my point nonetheless.

#36 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@hyeusouso: What "remark" are you on about?

Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's vile machinations.

Throughout the worlds submissive to the Empire, Byss is renowned as a paradise, whose siren call multitudes to willingly apply for emigration to its shores. Once there, wrapped in the power of the dark side, the immigrants become completely submissive, their life energy forever enslaved to the mind that would devour a galaxy.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes.

This is a reference to the people living on Byss (twenty billion) being mind-wiped/drained/enslaved to the "mind" that is Palpatine.

What better lure for multitudes than Byss's siren call of beauty and peace? Once there, their wills are destroyed by the Emperor and his Adepts, and replaced with an illusion of tranquility as they blissfully surrender their life energy to sustain the Emperor.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook

Some other quotes, in case anybody wants more:

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook

"The churning energy mass of a Force Storm can consume everything it touches, for at its eye is pure hate. Just as a black hole devours a star, this storm can swallow armies and fold space."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook and the Tales of the Jedi Companion

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."
—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to not only control these storms, but to create them.

--Taken from Handbook Volume Three: Dark Empire

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

By sheer force of will, Palpatine is able to return from the void with no host tethering his spirit to the physical realm.

Palpatine's body was destroyed. Separated from his clones, Palpatine was forced to survive in the maddening, bodiless existence of the void. Through sheer will he retained his identity, crossing the gulf of space to again take up residence in his clone body.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source.

Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"

This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine's Lightning overpowers Yoda's Force Deflection.

In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness. Then there were only the two of them. Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

His Lightning overloads Yoda's limit on Force Absorption.

The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

For some of these quotes, Silver2467 gets the credit for, either due to:

1. I can't be bothered looking too many quotes up/typing them all up and used his respect thread to get them quickly.

2. I don't have the sources where these quotes come from.

But, these are quotes that prove my point nonetheless.

Indeed, but I can't find one thing in those sources, qoutes, or pictures that backs up the claim that Palpatine can defeat Martian Manhunter. Now, I believe Superman doesn't stand a chance to Palpatine. But Martian Manhunter? This guy down here?

Battling the Martian Manhunter in Justice League 8

This Martian Manhunter?

J'onn J'onzz takes on a monstrous form

Please, think again.

#37 Posted by venomsapprentice (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn said:

@ShootingNova said:

@hyeusouso: What "remark" are you on about?

Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's vile machinations.

Throughout the worlds submissive to the Empire, Byss is renowned as a paradise, whose siren call multitudes to willingly apply for emigration to its shores. Once there, wrapped in the power of the dark side, the immigrants become completely submissive, their life energy forever enslaved to the mind that would devour a galaxy.

--Taken from the Dark Empire endnotes.

This is a reference to the people living on Byss (twenty billion) being mind-wiped/drained/enslaved to the "mind" that is Palpatine.

What better lure for multitudes than Byss's siren call of beauty and peace? Once there, their wills are destroyed by the Emperor and his Adepts, and replaced with an illusion of tranquility as they blissfully surrender their life energy to sustain the Emperor.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook

Some other quotes, in case anybody wants more:

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook

"The churning energy mass of a Force Storm can consume everything it touches, for at its eye is pure hate. Just as a black hole devours a star, this storm can swallow armies and fold space."

--Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.

--Taken from the Dark Empire Sourcebook and the Tales of the Jedi Companion

"The Force Storm is truly an awe-inspiring demonstration of pure natural energy. After using the Force to open a hyperspace wormhole, tremendous shockwaves will ripple through the fabric of space. Due to the Force Storm's potential for abuse, the Council has recently classified it as a dark side power."

"The Reborn Emperor used this at Da Soocha. It has the power to kill worlds."
—Luke

--Taken from The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating. It was to the Rebel Alliance's detriment that Emperor Palpatine was able to not only control these storms, but to create them.

--Taken from Handbook Volume Three: Dark Empire

Before even fully mastering the technique, Palpatine creates a Force Storm with enough skill and precision to transport his body to Kaal from the second Death Star II without causing noticeable damage to the Death Star.

The moment the Emperor "died" at the Battle of Endor, Droga fell into an inexplicable insanity, butchering his crew and causing the Emperor's Shadowto plunge into Kaal's oceans. Even as he perished, Palpatine used the dark side knowledge the Sith Lords had granted him years earlier to rend space itself and transmigrate his essence across lightyears to Droga's body.

--Taken from Gamer #5

By sheer force of will, Palpatine is able to return from the void with no host tethering his spirit to the physical realm.

Palpatine's body was destroyed. Separated from his clones, Palpatine was forced to survive in the maddening, bodiless existence of the void. Through sheer will he retained his identity, crossing the gulf of space to again take up residence in his clone body.

--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source.

Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"

This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine's Lightning overpowers Yoda's Force Deflection.

In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness. Then there were only the two of them. Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

His Lightning overloads Yoda's limit on Force Absorption.

The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.

--Taken from Revenge of the Sith

For some of these quotes, Silver2467 gets the credit for, either due to:

1. I can't be bothered looking too many quotes up/typing them all up and used his respect thread to get them quickly.

2. I don't have the sources where these quotes come from.

But, these are quotes that prove my point nonetheless.

Indeed, but I can't find one thing in those sources, qoutes, or pictures that backs up the claim that Palpatine can defeat Martian Manhunter. Now, I believe Superman doesn't stand a chance to Palpatine. But Martian Manhunter? This guy down here?

Battling the Martian Manhunter in Justice League 8

This Martian Manhunter?

J'onn J'onzz takes on a monstrous form

Please, think again.

Why not martian manhunter? Presumably, he would be just as vulnerable to drain life as Super Man.

#38 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: And you have posted nothing as to how Martian Manhunter wins. Show me Martian Manhunter surviving a wormhole that rips through space-time continuum, destroys entire fleets/moons/planetary surfaces etc.

#39 Posted by ShootingNova (16260 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomsapprentice: Yes, he is.