They fought before. In the fight, Demon was amped up, and the Martian did not have his telepathy. Not to mention, that was Pre-Fernus Martian. Post-Fernus should have no issue with his fire, unless magical fire works the same way psychic fire does. All the same, if the Martian uses his abilities wisely, he could take this.
" hes afraid of fire well in that jlu episode it looked pretty even have we all seen it or should i post it? "
You mean the cartoon? That things non cannon and a lot of time has pasted anyway. He's no longer weak against normal fire, only emotional fire(it's complicated)
He can be hurt by fire, but it has to be emotional fire.(like the fire an arsonist causes) "
Psionic fire is the only fire that proven to work thus far without massive PIS (Salvation Run). "
Well the arsonist thing was used as an example at the end of Trail by Fire so I thought it was worth mentioning. "
That was how he explained it, but that explanation is inconclusive. I can name several instances and have plenty of scans of Post-Trial by Fire/Post-Fernus Martian resisting fire. Overall, there have been one or two PIS instances where fire has affected him in works that are riddled with PIS. I can name more than one instance where fire was used against him. BatMan used a flamethrower on him. Libra used his flaming spear on the Martian twice while he was already severely weakened from tranq darts created by Sivana and by being blasted by Effigy and Dr. Light. Overall, it is a very complicated issue, but by and large, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he can resist fire, even in combat. Like I said, psychic fire works, as it was used by Despero. Other than that, I have never seen Post-Fernus Martian exposed to mystical fire. So I have no idea if that would work or not. It worked Pre-Fernus when Etrigan and the Martian fought, but, again, that was before Trial by Fire.
He can be hurt by fire, but it has to be emotional fire.(like the fire an arsonist causes) "
Psionic fire is the only fire that proven to work thus far without massive PIS (Salvation Run). "
Well the arsonist thing was used as an example at the end of Trail by Fire so I thought it was worth mentioning. "
That was how he explained it, but that explanation is inconclusive. I can name several instances and have plenty of scans of Post-Trial by Fire/Post-Fernus Martian resisting fire. Overall, there have been one or two PIS instances where fire has affected him in works that are riddled with PIS. I can name more than one instance where fire was used against him. BatMan used a flamethrower on him. Libra used his flaming spear on the Martian twice while he was already severely weakened from tranq darts created by Sivana and by being blasted by Effigy and Dr. Light. Overall, it is a very complicated issue, but by and large, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that he can resist fire, even in combat. Like I said, psychic fire works, as it was used by Despero. Other than that, I have never seen Post-Fernus Martian exposed to mystical fire. So I have no idea if that would work or not. It worked Pre-Fernus when Etrigan and the Martian fought, but, again, that was before Trial by Fire. "
Well one could argue the spear fire thing was legitimate(as it was caused by one of his rouges who wanted him to die). But either way this is a hard one to pick due to MM's lack of recent exposure to mystic fires. No real way to know how he'd react.
Demon punching SuperMan to the moon is irrelevant for these reasons. One, the Martian already fought an amped Demon without his telepathy. He had help in that fight, but overall, once the Martian stepped in, the other mystics involved never seemed as engaged in the fight. He did fine in that battle. Two, the Martian is more powerful than SuperMan anyway. He may not be physically superior, but he can contend physically. On top of that, he has shape shifting, which he can and has used as an adaptive resistance to threats. He also has intangibility. Three, the Martian has swatted White Martians across vast distances also. Hitting a character over large areas is a feat he can replicate.
Well one could argue the spear fire thing was legitimate(as it was caused by one of his rouges who wanted him to die). But either way this is a hard one to pick due to MM's lack of recent exposure to mystic fires. No real way to know how he'd react. "
Actually, it really is not legitimate. First of all, like I said, the Martian was already severely weakened beforehand. In fact, much of what weakened him was off-panel. Two, he withstood being stabbed through by a flaming spear twice while already weakened. Three, Libra is a wild card. He is either a very PIS filled character, or he is extremely powerful. The problem is that the nature of his power is undefined. We really have no idea what it is that he is capable of. It was circumstantial. Being stabbed by a flaming spear is not the only factor involved in the Martian's death. In fact, that was a very minor factor in comparison.
Well one could argue the spear fire thing was legitimate(as it was caused by one of his rouges who wanted him to die). But either way this is a hard one to pick due to MM's lack of recent exposure to mystic fires. No real way to know how he'd react. "
Actually, it really is not legitimate. First of all, like I said, the Martian was already severely weakened beforehand. In fact, much of what weakened him was off-panel. Two, he withstood being stabbed through by a flaming spear twice while already weakened. Three, Libra is a wild card. He is either a very PIS filled character, or he is extremely powerful. The problem is that the nature of his power is undefined. We really have no idea what it is that he is capable of. It was circumstantial. Being stabbed by a flaming spear is not the only factor involved in the Martian's death. In fact, that was a very minor factor in comparison. "
Well yeah, I'm just saying it's entirely possible that the fire harming him was legit. (Although it definitely should be noted that he was weakened)
Hellfir, and they are about even in strength. So I think Hellfire puts Etrigan over the top. "
MM can simply dodge the hellfire or even go intangible to avoid it(unless it's able to harm intangible foes) Not to mention MM's telepathic powers, which I have no reason to think Etrigan would resist.
Hellfir, and they are about even in strength. So I think Hellfire puts Etrigan over the top. "
MM can simply dodge the hellfire or even go intangible to avoid it(unless it's able to harm intangible foes) Not to mention MM's telepathic powers, which I have no reason to think Etrigan would resist. "
I am not sure of Etrigans resistance to telepathy if he has it he wins no doubt, if he doesn't MM may be able to win this.
Hellfir, and they are about even in strength. So I think Hellfire puts Etrigan over the top. "
MM can simply dodge the hellfire or even go intangible to avoid it(unless it's able to harm intangible foes) Not to mention MM's telepathic powers, which I have no reason to think Etrigan would resist. "
I am not sure of Etrigans resistance to telepathy if he has it he wins no doubt, if he doesn't MM may be able to win this. "
MM has been able to force himself into the mind of the Spectre. If Etrigan has no resistance, he's doomed for sure. Even without the TP, I'd still say MM stands a good chance, unless I'm missing something here.
Well yeah, I'm just saying it's entirely possible that the fire harming him was legit. (Although it definitely should be noted that he was weakened) "
Possibly. I have seen fire actually been used against him Post-Fernus and fail.
For the record, defeating him with fire even before Trial by Fire was not easy. Before Trial by Fire (meaning before he gained a resistance to fire), he has been blasted by Fire (Beatriz) and got up. He has taken a spray of an amped Demon's hellfire and survived. He had his entire body set on fire during Tower of Babel and survived. He took his brother to the sun aboard Z'onn Z'orr and survived. There are several instances of him surviving fire even Pre-Fernus. Assuming for a minute that magic fire did work (questionable), it is not going to be as easy as people think.
Hellfir, and they are about even in strength. So I think Hellfire puts Etrigan over the top. "
MM can simply dodge the hellfire or even go intangible to avoid it(unless it's able to harm intangible foes) Not to mention MM's telepathic powers, which I have no reason to think Etrigan would resist. "
I am not sure of Etrigans resistance to telepathy if he has it he wins no doubt, if he doesn't MM may be able to win this. "
MM has been able to force himself into the mind of the Spectre. If Etrigan has no resistance, he's doomed for sure. Even without the TP, I'd still say MM stands a good chance, unless I'm missing something here. "
I know MM is about Supes equal with shape shifting, Intangibility, and Telepathy, but Etrigan is a beast also, Demonic strength, Hell fire, mystical power, very durable. It would be a good matchup. But I still think if Etrigan has resistance to TP, he wins.
I know MM is about Supes equal with shape shifting, Intangibility, and Telepathy,
What? The Martian is an equal to SuperMan with his physical stats, super breath, and heat vision. Invisibility, intangibility, shape shifting, telepathy, telekinesis, super scream, etc. put him over SuperMan's level.
but Etrigan is a beast also, Demonic strength, Hell fire, mystical power, very durable. It would be a good matchup. But I still think if Etrigan has resistance to TP, he wins. "
I already mentioned that the Martian held his own against an amped Demon without his telepathy, and that was Pre-Fernus.
I know MM is about Supes equal with shape shifting, Intangibility, and Telepathy,
What? The Martian is an equal to SuperMan with his physical stats, super breath, and heat vision. Invisibility, intangibility, shape shifting, telepathy, telekinesis, super scream, etc. put him over SuperMan's level.
but Etrigan is a beast also, Demonic strength, Hell fire, mystical power, very durable. It would be a good matchup. But I still think if Etrigan has resistance to TP, he wins. "
I already mentioned that the Martian held his own against an amped Demon without his telepathy, and that was Pre-Fernus. "
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't the fact tha Etrigan is a demon nullify MM intangibilty since demons are intangible and only possess physical bodies.
I know MM is about Supes equal with shape shifting, Intangibility, and Telepathy,
What? The Martian is an equal to SuperMan with his physical stats, super breath, and heat vision. Invisibility, intangibility, shape shifting, telepathy, telekinesis, super scream, etc. put him over SuperMan's level.
but Etrigan is a beast also, Demonic strength, Hell fire, mystical power, very durable. It would be a good matchup. But I still think if Etrigan has resistance to TP, he wins. "
I already mentioned that the Martian held his own against an amped Demon without his telepathy, and that was Pre-Fernus. "
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't the fact tha Etrigan is a demon nullify MM intangibilty since demons are intangible and only possess physical bodies. "
Demons aren't intangible all the time. Where did you get that from?
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't the fact tha Etrigan is a demon nullify MM intangibilty since demons are intangible and only possess physical bodies. "
I know MM is about Supes equal with shape shifting, Intangibility, and Telepathy,
What? The Martian is an equal to SuperMan with his physical stats, super breath, and heat vision. Invisibility, intangibility, shape shifting, telepathy, telekinesis, super scream, etc. put him over SuperMan's level.
but Etrigan is a beast also, Demonic strength, Hell fire, mystical power, very durable. It would be a good matchup. But I still think if Etrigan has resistance to TP, he wins. "
I already mentioned that the Martian held his own against an amped Demon without his telepathy, and that was Pre-Fernus. "
Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't the fact tha Etrigan is a demon nullify MM intangibilty since demons are intangible and only possess physical bodies. "
Demons aren't intangible all the time. Where did you get that from? "
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