Aren't they only all powerful if one of them dies? And only in the sense that combined they can create their own multiverse? How is this a stomp if Eternity isn't restricted by PIS and they are individuals in this fight?
Aren't they only all powerful if one of them dies? And only in the sense that combined they can create their own multiverse? How is this a stomp if Eternity isn't restricted by PIS and they are individuals in this fight?
As far as my understanding goes, it was Micheal and Lucifer who can create the universe, thats what presence created anyways. One universe, multiverse was created by an accident caused by Krona watching the creation and somehow having interfered (COIE #6)
At his peak and without plot devices Lucifer has only ever been hurt by Michael using the power of the Presence, the Dunamis Demiurgos. Apart from that a multiverse-busting blast didn't even scratch him.
At his peak and without plot devices Lucifer has only ever been hurt by Michael using the power of the Presence, the Dunamis Demiurgos. Apart from that a multiverse-busting blast didn't even scratch him.
Do you have scans or an issue #? The multiverse busting blast I mean. I don' know too much about him, and would appreciate it :)
@Killemall said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:
Aren't they only all powerful if one of them dies? And only in the sense that combined they can create their own multiverse? How is this a stomp if Eternity isn't restricted by PIS and they are individuals in this fight?
As far as my understanding goes, it was Micheal and Lucifer who can create the universe, thats what presence created anyways. One universe, multiverse was created by an accident caused by Krona watching the creation and somehow having interfered (COIE #6)
At his peak and without plot devices Lucifer has only ever been hurt by Michael using the power of the Presence, the Dunamis Demiurgos. Apart from that a multiverse-busting blast didn't even scratch him.
He has taken multivere-busting blast? wow thats amazing.
Hey can you clear something out for me, i have heard this like 3 times in this forum that during Lucifer series Presence wiped out 2 multiverses, did this actually happened? And if so, why would Presence, the good guy, go around wiping out multiverses?
@Killemall: He didn't wipe them out, he held them in his hand and asked Elaine what she wanted to do with them, IIRC. Presence isn't exactly a good guy, he's more like an apathetic guy. Michael was using the Logoz to recreate the multiverse over and over again countless times during the Lucifer series because the Presence had got bored and left reality and so the multiverse was falling apart without him.
At his peak and without plot devices Lucifer has only ever been hurt by Michael using the power of the Presence, the Dunamis Demiurgos. Apart from that a multiverse-busting blast didn't even scratch him.
Do you have scans or an issue #? The multiverse busting blast I mean. I don' know too much about him, and would appreciate it :)
He's also warped the multiverse to create doors in every dimension to the multiverse that he created, without his brother's help.
At his peak and without plot devices Lucifer has only ever been hurt by Michael using the power of the Presence, the Dunamis Demiurgos. Apart from that a multiverse-busting blast didn't even scratch him.
Do you have scans or an issue #? The multiverse busting blast I mean. I don' know too much about him, and would appreciate it :)
He's also warped the multiverse to create doors in every dimension to the multiverse that he created, without his brother's help.
Is this him breaking the gate instead of closing it? or something else?^^^
Did that blast destroy what came before or did it create another one somewhere else?
@LordOfAllHumans: What happened was Lucifer left the multiverse, lured Michael out there into the empty void and then used that sword (there was something special about it, I think) to release the Dunamis Demiurgos from inside him. That was the multiversal explosion, and once the energy was released he was able to manipulate it and create his own multiverse. Later when the Presence found out he got angry and sent Michael to tell Lucifer to close down his multiverse. Lucifer instead created a door to his multiverse in every dimension of the Presence's multiverse so that anyone who wasn't satisfied with their current deal could come live in his reality if they wished.
The gate here was the barrier between his multiverse and his father's.
Did that blast destroy what came before or did it create another one somewhere else?
That blast occured in the void outside of creation. If it had happened inside the universe it would have destroyed it and then a new universe would start from scratch. The latter did happen but lucifers creation stood alongside the original because the explosion happened in the void.
@LordOfAllHumans: It didn't destroy anything because there was nothing to destroy in that void, but later on in the series when Michael was dying (in the main multiverse) he told Lucifer to show Elaine how to absorb and control that blast because it would destroy everything otherwise.
Lucifer has kind of indirectly maybe sorta possibly beaten the Spectre too, since he blew up the Logoz with one touch.
Well, that and he told the Spectre to bugger off. The Spectre just left him alone. He probably knew that fight with Lucifer would end the same way it did with Michael..except Lucifer wouldn't be as merciful.
@LordOfAllHumans: It didn't destroy anything because there was nothing to destroy in that void, but later on in the series when Michael was dying (in the main multiverse) he told Lucifer to show Elaine how to absorb and control that blast because it would destroy everything otherwise.
Interesting. Eternity is a sucka, not really backing him. I have always been curious about the individual powers of the brothers, when compared to there combined power. Thanks
Something also worth mentioning is that Lucifer tanked a multiverse busting blast twice: Once when he stabbed michael to create his mulitverse, and the other time where he was initially being controlled by Fenris. The latter example actually showed us he could stand in the wake of the blast and his will allowed him to simply reform himself.
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