#1 Posted by Owie (3944 posts) - - Show Bio

Amora vs Eros.

Round 1: Fistfight.  (No other powers besides strength, speed, durability, etc.)  Battle takes place in the Palace Station casino parking lot in Las Vegas, starting 10' apart.  Win by death or KO.  In character.

Round 2: Battle of seduction.  They're working on opposite sides of a complex spying/intelligence operation, where two teams are trying to get information from each other.  They are both tasked by their team to seduce the other one, thereby gaining important secrets that will let their team win.  Neither knows the other is trying to seduce him/her.  Which one manages to ensorcell/psionically control the other one?  They meet at the Lavo club in Las Vegas.  In character. 
 
Who wins each round and why?  Keep it clean, kids!  :)
 

Enchantress
Starfox by Philip Tan
#2 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Enchantress. Both are average strength for their race. Average for an Eternal is 15 tons. Average for an Asgardian is 30 tons. So Amora should be roughly twice as strong as Starfox.

R2: Not really sure here. Inclined to say Enchantress again, but not positive.

#3 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

Amora.

#4 Posted by Owie (3944 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde said:

R1: Enchantress. Both are average strength for their race. Average for an Eternal is 15 tons. Average for an Asgardian is 30 tons. So Amora should be roughly twice as strong as Starfox.

R2: Not really sure here. Inclined to say Enchantress again, but not positive.

Regarding round 1, Enchantress is about twice as strong as Starfox, that's true. But strength isn't everything. Starfox isn't the most skilled melee fighter in the universe, but he does engage in hand to hand combat on a routine basis, while Enchantress almost never does. I think it would be reasonable to make an argument that Starfox's skills, such as they are, could overcome Amora. On the other hand, Amora was raised in a warrior culture and I could see an argument for her having some skills herself. But in any case I don't think strength is all it would take.

#5 Posted by spinningbirdcake (1430 posts) - - Show Bio

At first I thought you meant him:

#6 Posted by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

@spinningbirdcake: Lol, same Enchtress wins though.

#7 Posted by Owie (3944 posts) - - Show Bio

Anybody else?  I can't believe this thread hasn't been overrun by trolls!  (Not that that's what I want, I'm just surprised.)

#8 Posted by sandiego008 (3280 posts) - - Show Bio

Amora round 1, base asgard > base starfox stats, including speed, durability and str. Round 2, starfox literally has to ask a question to get an answer so he wins round 2.

#9 Posted by Owie (3944 posts) - - Show Bio
@sandiego008 said:

Amora round 1, base asgard > base starfox stats, including speed, durability and str. Round 2, starfox literally has to ask a question to get an answer so he wins round 2.

Heh heh.  Personally I think his skills will give him round one.  I'm not sure about round 2.  It seems to me that her magic is more powerful overall than his psionics, and that if it was straight up power to power she'd win, but on the other hand I think (I could be wrong) her main technique for seduction magic is by a magic kiss.  So she'd have to kiss him to win, while he can just use his power at any time.  But I could well be wrong about her power.
#10 Posted by Freefa11 (2423 posts) - - Show Bio

@Owie: Her kiss is really powerful, but not necessary. She magically seduced the Hulk without kissing him in Secret Wars (though she just made him pass out, rather than using him against his enemies or anything). She tried it on Captain America too, but his will was too strong.

IMO, she is at least as good at the seduction schtick as Starfox. Probably better, since I think she can use her powers to basically just brainwash people into doing things they probably wouldn't normally, whereas Starfox's powers seem, to me, to be more like giving someone a few drinks to loosen them up (admittedly though, I haven't seen a huge number of his showings).

Amora also has the advantage of using illusions and stuff to make herself look different. Don't like blondes? No problem, she'll just look like whatever you desire most, although again, with her magic she can probably just make most people desire her as much as she wants, even if she's not normally their thing.

Also, I'm not sure how strong Starfox's will is, but Professor X once tried to communicate with Amora telepathically, and she just laughed at his puny powers before kicking him out of her head. So I feel that she probably has a much better chance of resisting Starfox's powers than vice versa.

As far as HtH goes, I think Starfox is a lot faster, a better fighter, and can fly (okay, Amora can too, but I don't think she's really adept at using it for combat, just getting around). He actually lasted a few seconds against Thanos, from what I recall. Amora is very strong and tough (smacked away the Lizard like he was nothing), but I think Starfox would eventually wear her down while dodging most of her attacks. If she had her magic, even just purely offensive, this would probably end up a stomp in her favor, but strictly HtH I don't think her strength will compensate for Starfox's speed and skill.

#11 Posted by Owie (3944 posts) - - Show Bio
@Freefa11 said:

@Owie: Her kiss is really powerful, but not necessary. She magically seduced the Hulk without kissing him in Secret Wars (though she just made him pass out, rather than using him against his enemies or anything). She tried it on Captain America too, but his will was too strong.

IMO, she is at least as good at the seduction schtick as Starfox. Probably better, since I think she can use her powers to basically just brainwash people into doing things they probably wouldn't normally, whereas Starfox's powers seem, to me, to be more like giving someone a few drinks to loosen them up (admittedly though, I haven't seen a huge number of his showings).

Amora also has the advantage of using illusions and stuff to make herself look different. Don't like blondes? No problem, she'll just look like whatever you desire most, although again, with her magic she can probably just make most people desire her as much as she wants, even if she's not normally their thing.

Also, I'm not sure how strong Starfox's will is, but Professor X once tried to communicate with Amora telepathically, and she just laughed at his puny powers before kicking him out of her head. So I feel that she probably has a much better chance of resisting Starfox's powers than vice versa.

As far as HtH goes, I think Starfox is a lot faster, a better fighter, and can fly (okay, Amora can too, but I don't think she's really adept at using it for combat, just getting around). He actually lasted a few seconds against Thanos, from what I recall. Amora is very strong and tough (smacked away the Lizard like he was nothing), but I think Starfox would eventually wear her down while dodging most of her attacks. If she had her magic, even just purely offensive, this would probably end up a stomp in her favor, but strictly HtH I don't think her strength will compensate for Starfox's speed and skill.

All great points, thanks. Starfox's  power can be more specifically controlling and persuasive, not just a "few drinks" style (although sometimes he does use it that way). But I think you're especially correct about bringing up that time that she rejected Prof. X--Starfox wouldn't have a chance, psionically.
#12 Posted by mk111 (3139 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll go with Enchantress for both rounds.