@DAwNTEy said:
@Bane_of_sith: Obi wan is not better than windu as a lighsaber duelist not even close to either mace or yoda, Kenobi is a master of lightsaber form 3: Soresu, both mace and yoda have mastered all lightsaber forms including Form VII juyo, exclusive to mace is Form VII variant called Vaapad, which only top tier masters can handle, otherwise you fall to the dark side. Yoda and Mace are levels high above anakin and obi wan.
No. Please. Look, Obi-Wan is also a master of Form I: Shii-Cho, and Form VI: Niman, with proficiency in Form IV: Ataru and basic knowledge of Form V: Shien.
Mace's use of Vaapad is irrelevant. It was designed to fight against Dark Siders, but it is dreadfully infirm and ineffective.
Anakin and Obi-Wan are at least approachable to Mace Windu. Windu is not a stack of tiers above them.
@Xanni15 said:
@Bane_of_sith:
@ImTheDamnBatman:
Why do you think that? Anakin would be the first taken out by either of the Jedi then they double up on Palps. No?
Uh? What? Sorry, Palpatine kills Windu before he can react and then defeats Yoda. Solo.
@DAwNTEy said:
I'll take the Jedi here because you said anakin skywalker not darth vader, anakin still had not gotten his full powers yet since he still lost to Obi wan kenobi in episode 3, mace and yoda are far more powerful still during that time, either mace or yoda can make short work of anakin, then both mace and yoda, you got mace who is a superb lightsaber duelist, and yoda who is also there at the top with mace but is even more powerful in the force, they can kill sidious no problem together.
And now what? Palpatine stomps Mace before he can react, then defeats Yoda. If you indeed did read every book, like you said you have, you would realize that:
Before Mace realizes what has happened, Kolar, Tiin, and Fisto have fallen to Sidious's blade.
--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary
Windu required an amp of gargantuan level to even react and fight against Sidious:
Because Mace, too, has an attachment. Mace has a secret love. Mace Windu loves the Republic.
Many of his students quote him to students of their own: "Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace."
For Mace Windu, for all his life, for all the lives of a thousand years of Jedi before him, true civilization has had only one true name: the Republic.
He has given his life in the service of his love. He has taken lives in its service, and lost the lives of innocents. He has seen beings that he cares for maimed, and killed, and sometimes worse: sometimes so broken by the horror of the struggle that their only answer was to commit horrors greater still.
And because of that love now, here, in this instant, Anakin Skywalker has nine words for him that shred his heart, burn its pieces, and feed him its smoking ashes.
Palpatine is Sidious. The Chancellor is the Sith Lord.
He doesn't even hear the words, not really; their true meaning is too large for his mind gather in all at once.
They mean that all he's done, and all that has been done to him—
That all the Order has accomplished, all it has suffered—
All the Galaxy itself hasgone through, all the years of suffering and slaughter, the death of entire planets—
Has all been for nothing.
Because it was all done to save the Republic.
Which was already gone.
Which had already fallen.
The corpse of which had been defended only by a Jedi Order that was now under the command of a Dark Lord of the Sith. Mace Windu's entire existence has become crystal so shot-through with flaws that the hammer of those nine words has crushed him to sand.
.......................
Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways. He accepted the furious speed of the Sith Lord, drew the shadow's rage and power into his inmost center—And let it fountain out again. He reflected the fury upon its source as a lightsaber redirects a blaster bolt.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith (the ...... is other parts of the book that aren't necessary)
Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
And Mace can do nothing against Palpatine's lightning:
Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.
Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"
This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade.
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
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