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#1 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

VS

Who do you think will win!

My vote. Raven all the way.

#2 Posted by Nighthunter (28582 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm a DC and teen titans fan but I'm not a fan boy

I think Emma wins

#3 Posted by Lantern Prime (13044 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven? Shes short and isn't that powerful either.

#4 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

i'm not sure...

i don't know enough about Emma's powers...

i know she has some psi ability but i'm not sure how much

can someone help me with Emma's powers please?

M

#5 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."

Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic.

Raven wins.

Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body.

Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope.

#6 Posted by LegendaryKYJ (1334 posts) - - Show Bio

Elemental says:

"Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "

Yes, or Emma could just shut down half of Ravens brain so when she walks it looks like she's chasing her own tail.

#7 Posted by LegendaryKYJ (1334 posts) - - Show Bio

Elemental says:

"Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "

Yes, or Emma could just shut down half of Ravens brain so when she walks it looks like she's chasing her own tail.

#8 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven can beat Emma.

#9 Posted by LegendaryKYJ (1334 posts) - - Show Bio

Elemental says:

"Raven can beat Emma."

It's possible but highly unlikely. Emma doesn't take chances, it's not unlike her to be inside her opponents head before they know it.

#10 Posted by Chameleone (8710 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Elemental says:
"Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "

IT'S THE SAME THING!!!

anyway Emma Frost wins.Your the only one who thinks Raven will win."

It's not the same. A telekinetic can move things with there minds (Hellion, Jean Gray) but a telepathic can only read/control people's minds ( and a whole lot more but i don't feel like writing it) examples would be Jean Gray (she's both), Prof X, Emma Frost

#11 Posted by Pink Awesome (123 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I've seen in both Cartoon and Comic fashion my bets are still on Emma Frost as well, I mean even if things get rough, she can turn into Diamond, and she is a force to be reckoned with in a mind battle. Though Raven for her age and experience can hold her own, I dont think it will be enough for the more experienced Emma Frost.

#12 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma Frost.

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#13 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay, people. DO you know what goes on in Raven's mind. Do you know what is in it? Her connection with her dark side is still there even though it hasn't been touched upon. But still, Raven has special defenses against telepathy. Her Soul-self. What happened to Raven teleporting Emma to New Azarath and leaving her there.

If you people still won't budge. Let's go with this.

The classic Raven not the teenaged Raven against Emma. Remember classic Raven still had that evil side. So what now. Would Raven from the 80s beat Emma?

#14 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma's one of the most powerful telepaths in the world. She'd lobotomize Raven with an idle thought.

#15 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say she's third or forth on the all time most powerful telepath list.

  1. Xavier (when he's got em)

  2. Jean Grey

  3. Cassandra Nova

  4. Emma Frost

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#16 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Elemental says:
"Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
IT'S THE SAME THING!!! anyway Emma Frost wins.Your the only one who thinks Raven will win."

It's definitely not the same thing... telekenisis is the ability to move stuff with your mind, in comics usually can create concussive forces etc. Telepathy is the ability to read peoples minds, in comics usually harm them or control them, or even mindwipe them.

#17 Posted by Dormammu (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this only Marvel? Because Martian Manhunter is pretty good.

#18 Posted by Alexander Anderson (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

She also has a great understanding of her abilities, which lets her defeat opponents with more raw mental power. Like Xavier, she has finesse as well as mental muscle. Plus she can dish out one hell of a beating in diamond form.

And yes, that's just in the Marvel Universe, I have no idea how MM stacks up.
Post Edited:2007-10-18 20:56:38

#19 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio

She's badass, plain an simple. That was one of the greatest moves by Marvel, bringing her in as an X-Men.

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#20 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

why are you sorry about it?

#21 Posted by Xénon (135 posts) - - Show Bio

Against any lesser telepath I would say Raven, but Emma just has too much of both raw psychic power and technique/finesse/experience. Sorry, Emma takes this.

#22 Posted by Answerman (78 posts) - - Show Bio

Even though I'm more of a Titans fan and Raven is more powerful overall, she'd still loose to the more savvy with her powers and ruthless Emma Frost.

#23 Posted by Apparition (11349 posts) - - Show Bio

that was much better than your first (one word) post!

#24 Posted by Baal Zak (355 posts) - - Show Bio

<3 Emma

#25 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

So are you guys saying that a Raven possessed by Trigon would lose to Emma. There is no denying, Emma is good. But...

#26 Posted by Merman (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyways cant Emma just be in Diamond form which blocks all forms of psychic attacks, plus she gets suber stregnth in that form 2

#27 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

Her soul-self isn't psychic. And she can teleport other people too, wherever she wants.

#28 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

To quote Storm: "By itself, the piece of straw is nothing. But thrown by my winds, it can punch through brick. Imagine the possibilities if I throw a Steel Spear? Diamonds are incredibly hard, but not unbreakable. They can be cut, they can be carved, and if you find the proper stress point and apply sufficient force, they can be shattered." Raven is a pretty scary opponent. And her telekenisis is really good. Problem is, I've seen Emma go up against uberpowerful opponents with her telepathy and do some serious damage. Heck, she even beat Rachel Grey once. I think Emma's telepathy is comparable to Xavier's. With that said, I'm kinda leaning towards Emma. The things that woman can do with her psychic abilities really surprise me sometimes.

#29 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Elemental says:

"Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
In diamond form, she has absolutely no emotion. Without diamond, she has mental powers that rival the best of them. Power is one thing, but even if you're uberpowerful, you can still get your butt handed to you. Emma's skill is a powerful force to be reckoned with.
#30 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Dormammu says:
"Colt Python says:
"Elemental says:
"Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
IT'S THE SAME THING!!! anyway Emma Frost wins.Your the only one who thinks Raven will win."
It's definitely not the same thing... telekenisis is the ability to move stuff with your mind, in comics usually can create concussive forces etc. Telepathy is the ability to read peoples minds, in comics usually harm them or control them, or even mindwipe them. "

wow way to be all technical about it."

You should try to be at least as technical.

#31 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Elemental says:

"So are you guys saying that a Raven possessed by Trigon would lose to Emma. There is no denying, Emma is good. But..."
If Raven possessed by Trigon can be used, then Emma using Cerebra, the older, stronger sister of Cerebro, can be used as well.
#32 Posted by Gemini (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Erm... Thats a tough one. I'd say that old Raven - especially if possessed by Trigon - would win, but the newer Raven... not so much.

#33 Posted by White Mage (18740 posts) - - Show Bio

Colt Python says:

"Elemental says:
"Okay, people. DO you know what goes on in Raven's mind. Do you know what is in it? Her connection with her dark side is still there even though it hasn't been touched upon. But still, Raven has special defenses against telepathy. Her Soul-self. What happened to Raven teleporting Emma to New Azarath and leaving her there. If you people still won't budge. Let's go with this. The classic Raven not the teenaged Raven against Emma. Remember classic Raven still had that evil side. So what now. Would Raven from the 80s beat Emma?"
Raven from no era would beat Emma."
I still have to give my vote to White Queen. Her psychic skills are just too much in my opinion. And while she has been overcome, it has been by people who have dealt with her before, thus, more experience. But even with that, Emma has had major comebacks. She's just so skilled that I can't really imagine her losing. I mean, her expertise is such, that she can peroform "PSYCHIC SURGERY" for cryin out loud.
#34 Posted by Titan3510 (432 posts) - - Show Bio

White Mage says:

"Elemental says:
"Colt Python says:
"Emma is a very powerful Telekenetic and she can become diamond hard.She is also skilled at making electronic devices."
Excuse me, Emma is a powerful telepath not telekinetic. Raven wins. Raven can teleport through dimensions, is an powerful empath, meaning that she can control emotions, can relieve others of their pain and heal them, can fly, and can project her Soul-Self, a psychic entity that takes on the shape of a giant black bird that can attack others physically or by entering their minds causing them to collapse in pain and fear and in cold darkness and it acts as her eyes, ears, and mouth away from her body. Raven's Soul-Self could just envelop Emma showing her worst fears and ravaging her mind. Or Raven could just teleport Emma to a demon dimension and just leave her there. Raven could just make Emma cry uncontrollably and force her to relive her the sad moments in her life without hope. "
In diamond form, she has absolutely no emotion. Without diamond, she has mental powers that rival the best of them. Power is one thing, but even if you're uberpowerful, you can still get your butt handed to you. Emma's skill is a powerful force to be reckoned with. "

She does have emotion in diamond form. She was crying when Scott was very injured in Astonishing X-Men #22. Raven, reborn, can now project emotion and use emotion as an offensive weapon. Raven's demonic connections are back. Raven can absorb Emma into her soul-self and send her someone not nice and pretty. Emma had major issues back when she was a teenager and young woman. Raven can pull that out and make Emma relive her nightmares from a outside POV like Jean did in New X-Men #139. But maybe I'm wrong. Emma has a good chance of winning but has never faced the devil's daughter or demon empowered people before.

#35 Posted by Djinn (778 posts) - - Show Bio

i doubt Raven could beat Emma

#36 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven could definately kill Emma.

Emma should win in character but out of character...

#37 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

I doubt Emma would want to go into Raven's Mind.

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#38 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven curbstomp.

Diamond form? Raven is a TK and has teleportation. Superstrength and endurance will do nothing for you.

Telepathy? Raven has a defense against telepathy, not to mention she controls emotions, which would do just as much damage.

I don't see Emma winning by anymeans...at all.

#39 Posted by bioghost (1245 posts) - - Show Bio

if the Cuckoos sister have a hard time dealing with Belasco's mind
Why would Raven's mind be any differnt to emma.

#40 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
Strafe Prower said:
"Telepathy? Raven has a defense against telepathy"
Does she really?  I thought that for awhile, but I forgot how Phobia's powers aren't straight up telepathy.  They're illusional.

I think full power Raven (note: not the Raven you see in everyday comics) would be able to resist Emma telepathically anyhow for the two seconds it would take her to obliterate Emma, but does she really have telepathic resistance besides having a strong willpower and a ridiculous amount of power waiting to be unleashed?
#41 Posted by feihungjin (2 posts) - - Show Bio

    
Raven took down Professor Xavier the most powerful telepathic mutant, so she can definately take down Emma Frost. Sorry guys but it's a fact, she also went one on one with the Phoenix, of course she lost and almost became evil, but still not many beings survive a one on one battle with the Phoenix.
#42 Posted by Son Of Storm (11297 posts) - - Show Bio
@feihungjin said:
"
    Raven took down Professor Xavier the most powerful telepathic mutant, so she can definately take down Emma Frost. Sorry guys but it's a fact, she also went one on one with the Phoenix, of course she lost and almost became evil, but still not many beings survive a one on one battle with the Phoenix. "
IS this a crossover???
#43 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son Of Storm: 
 
yes
Starfire even kisses Colossus to learn Russian
#44 Posted by spiderpigbart (2651 posts) - - Show Bio
@VictoriaGrey_2010 said:
 Jean Grey is the strongest Telepath in the world    "
No.  There are several more powerful.
#45 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@VictoriaGrey_2010 said:

"And lets say that you are right, please name the stronger Telepaths "


Manchester Black.  Psimon.  Captain Comet.  Hector Hammond.  Doctor Psycho.  Charles Xavier.  Moondragon.  Saturn Girl.  Saturn Queen.
#46 Posted by Little_Miss_Kitty (113 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma is awesome. She is practically indestructible, and has great telepathy..... raven pwns.  
What if she telports emma to Azarath??? 
Sorry, emma fans. My vote goes to Raven
 
#47 Posted by VictoriaGrey_2010 (337 posts) - - Show Bio

   Raven wins this battle, all Emma has is Telepathic power.

#48 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@Little_Miss_Kitty said:
"What if she telports emma to Azarath???"

She...shouldn't be able to do that.  Unless they retconned that that's where her soulself takes you.  Johns retcons a lot of stuff and I read his Titans before I read Wolfman's and David's.  With Wolfman's and David's being soooooooo much better, I've blocked much of Johns' stuff from my memory.  XD 
 
Raven does still win though.
#49 Posted by Little_Miss_Kitty (113 posts) - - Show Bio

There was a scene in one of them where Raven threatens someone with transporting them to Azaroth.
#50 Edited by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio

She might have claimed that "inside her soul self" (which is stupid because inside her soul self is like a 30 square foot area of open space) is Azaroth during Family Lost.  That whole storyline sucked though.  Showed Johns doesn't know a thing about Raven and it resurrected a character (Raven) who was better off dead. 
 
Oh, the point was that that place wasn't anything like the previously established Azaroth.