Emma Frost vs Jean Grey(not phoenix)

@LordOfAllHumans: Jean never ripped the phoenix out of her, the phoenix decide to return to jean´s body

@LordOfAllHumans: Jean never ripped the phoenix out of her, the phoenix decide to return to jean´s body

@god_spawn: ¬¬ so you are saying Jean is a stronger telepath because she is a stronger telepath? I hope you have a better argument than that.

@LordOfAllHumans: o.O sh$$ you are right! lol then nevermind, don´t know why i didn´t remember that way

@emmo_frost said:

@god_spawn: ¬¬ so you are saying Jean is a stronger telepath because she is a stronger telepath? I hope you have a better argument than that.

Lol and your big argument is what when you were wrong in your first post? Because you like Emma more than Jean? A phoenix-less Jean has been said to be a more powerful telepath as Xavier, Xavier's stated he's more powerful than Emma right to her face. I don't see a way around it but Jean>Xavier>Emma.

@LordOfAllHumans: Emma diamond form IS inmune to tp, on phoenix warsong, when the cuckoos clones where talking to her by telepathy,she turned to diamond form and she BLOCKED their telepathy, that really depends on the writer

@LordOfAllHumans: Emma diamond form IS inmune to tp, on phoenix warsong, when the cuckoos clones where talking to her by telepathy,she turned to diamond form and she BLOCKED their telepathy, that really depends on the writer

I find this very interesting, most people seem to say jean and i cant exactly blame them, it is kinda unfair because jean was taught by a very strong telepath (Xavier) where as emma taught herself everything she knows, also they are both "psis of the highest order" they have both been ranked among the 5 most skilled telepaths in the world, i wonder what would happen if xavier taught emma? but all in all i think jean would win, and im not saying this because i think emmas weak. emma is one of my favourite characters and im sure she might stand a chance using telepathy alone but i say jean because jean can telepathicly induce mental and physical pain which emma cant do, emma does have the potential to be more powerful.

If ema was taught by xavier she would beat jean :1

I find this very interesting, most people seem to say jean and i cant exactly blame them, it is kinda unfair because jean was taught by a very strong telepath (Xavier) where as emma taught herself everything she knows, also they are both "psis of the highest order" they have both been ranked among the 5 most skilled telepaths in the world, i wonder what would happen if xavier taught emma? but all in all i think jean would win, and im not saying this because i think emmas weak. emma is one of my favourite characters and im sure she might stand a chance using telepathy alone but i say jean because jean can telepathicly induce mental and physical pain which emma cant do, emma does have the potential to be more powerful.

If ema was taught by xavier she would beat jean :1

@LordOfAllHumans: I think she also made Storm feel pain back in extreme X-men when they fought and she grabbed her by her hair if not mistaken as well. I don't have scans on this computer to double check..

@LordOfAllHumans: I think she also made Storm feel pain back in extreme X-men when they fought and she grabbed her by her hair if not mistaken as well. I don't have scans on this computer to double check..

@LordOfAllHumans: I forgot that she did it in the air lol. I'm talking about the next scan, I think she was doing it while pulling her hair.

@LordOfAllHumans: I forgot that she did it in the air lol. I'm talking about the next scan, I think she was doing it while pulling her hair.

@LordOfAllHumans: Yeah it was that scan and I was wrong, I thought I remembered her grabbing her hair and her hand was glowing and Storm was in pain but Ororo got her before she had a chance.

Jean Grey.

@LordOfAllHumans: Yeah it was that scan and I was wrong, I thought I remembered her grabbing her hair and her hand was glowing and Storm was in pain but Ororo got her before she had a chance.

@LordOfAllHumans: It should, Emma's a strong telepath and just for the ice cream headache I'm sure the piledriver into the snow from some ways up didn't help lol. And thanks for having the scans on hand, I didn't want to have to search through 50+ pages of my gallery and didn't have them on this comp. I just seemed to remember her yanking Storm's hair and telepathically hurting her but Storm zapped her the instant before hand, thanks for the refresher.

@LordOfAllHumans: It should, Emma's a strong telepath and just for the ice cream headache I'm sure the piledriver into the snow from some ways up didn't help lol. And thanks for having the scans on hand, I didn't want to have to search through 50+ pages of my gallery and didn't have them on this comp. I just seemed to remember her yanking Storm's hair and telepathically hurting her but Storm zapped her the instant before hand, thanks for the refresher.

Jean is stronger. Omega > Alpha. And that's not just hype. She's still stronger.

emma frost because she could just punch jean in the face while she is in diamond form

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@god_spawn said:

@LordOfAllHumans: It should, Emma's a strong telepath and just for the ice cream headache I'm sure the piledriver into the snow from some ways up didn't help lol. And thanks for having the scans on hand, I didn't want to have to search through 50+ pages of my gallery and didn't have them on this comp. I just seemed to remember her yanking Storm's hair and telepathically hurting her but Storm zapped her the instant before hand, thanks for the refresher.

no doubt

Yeah that was an awesome fight...Jean FTW

Jean would win.

Jean - 1

Professor X & Emma. - 2

@Vance Astro said:

SilverSurfa says:

"emma frost, jean sucks without phoenix powers"

BS.

Jean Grey wins.

@Son Of Storm: well i know this is a really old response but her daughters didn't handle the phoenix force they handled a piece of the phoenix force just letting you know n jean beats emma you just cant deny it

jean has more expirience than emma does emma might be able to turn diamond but with jeans tk she would be able to throw emma around

@danko: jeans the slut shes been with everybody and ive only seen emma with scott

Isn't jean more poerwfull than emma, like... since always?

@emmamonroefrost:

yeah but no ones talking about that were talking about a battle here and she is not emma is your just mad that you know jean wins this Idiot

@ultimatewarrior123:

emma is not a more powerful telepath she reformed emma and therefore can shatter her jean has tk she wont even get close to jean

Jean

last time i checked jean has much more potential and raw power than emma. isnt emma an alpha level mutant and jean is an omega? that seems to amount to less and less these days but i threw it in there anyway.

who has had there powers longer?

whos been training longer?

@emmo_frost: no jean did rip the phoenix from her

This sounds like a good porn title lol seriously though it all depends on who has better feats

I'm sold

@ego: agreed

@gannicus8282: idiot

I thought jean grey is a omega mutant (x-men movie) So my vote ?? Jean !!! And Emma cannot use telepathy at diamond form right some more it is proven by Xavier that she is the second powerful telepath but I never see a same thing on Emma -.-lll

Jean grey win duh !!! as Telepathy: She can manipulate and control the minds of others and even higher order animals within a vast, potentially limitless radius. Her notable powers include:

Telepathic Defense: She can manifest her telepathy in a number of defensive ways.

Telepathic Cloak: She can mask her presence and the use of her abilities from being detected by other psions and psychic entities. She can extend these defenses to others around her as well. Cloaking via telepathy is not perfect and powerful psis may notice and 'see' through this ability.

Cloak Mind: Ability to rearrange the “mental engrams” of mutants so their distinctive mutant thought patterns cannot be detected by Cerebro-type devises or by other telepaths.

Psionic Shield: Ability to erect a psychic shield for protection of herself and of others minds.

Telepathic Illusions: She can create realistic telepathic illusions and cause people to experience events which are not actually occurring.

Telepathic Camouflage: She can alter the apparent physical appearance of herself and other people by altering the perceptions of those around her. This can go so far as to make other people believe that the camouflaged people are not there (invisible). A limit, if one exists, is only imposed by the number of people she is trying to fool, not the number of people she is camouflaging.

Telepathic Manipulation: She can manipulate other people's minds easily, achieving a variety of effects.

Mind Control: She can control the thoughts and actions of others.

Mind Possession: She can possess the mind of another, and use that being's body as her own.

Personality Alteration: She can alter the minds of others by force of will, permanently changing their personality partially or entirely.

Mental Paralysis: She can induce temporary mental or physical paralysis.

Mental Amnesia: She can erase any awareness of particular memories or cause total amnesia.

Mind Transferal: She can transfer both her mind and powers into other host bodies if her own physical body could be somehow killed.

Induce Pain: Can also induce mental pain merely by touching the brow of her victim.

Heal Trauma: The ability to erase a person’s memories and to heal mental trauma through “psychic surgery,” the power to stimulate or deaden the pain and pleasure centers in a persons brain.

Mental Sedating: Can telepathically "sedate" her victims so that, if already rendered unconscious, they remain so for as long as she continues to "sedate" them.

Neural Jumpstart: She can increase the speed of neural signals in the brain, she could increase another mutants powers to incredible levels, but the effect was only temporary.

Dilate Power: Ability to place “psychic inhibitors” in the minds of mutant adversaries to prevent them from using their powers.

Mind Link: Ability to develop a mental link with any person which remains as a connection to that individual.

Psionic Blasts: She can project psionic force bolts which have no physical effects but which can affect a victim's mind so as to cause the victim pain or unconsciousness and turning someone brain-dead.

Astral Projection: She can project her astral form from her body onto astral planes or the physical planes. In the physical plane she can travel in astral form over vast distances. In the astral plane, she can mentally create psionic objects and manipulate the aspects of her environment. She can communicate with others astrally through her own will, or through contact with the thoughts and memories of others.

Mental Detection: She can sense the presence of another superhuman mutant within a small but as yet undefined radius of himself by perceiving the distinctive mental radiations emitted by such a being.

Psionic Firebird: She can manifest her telepathy as a psionic firebird; whose claws could inflict both physical and mental damage.

Telekinesis': telekinetic abilities enable her to levitate herself or other objects, propel or manipulate them however she wishes, stimulate individual molecules to create heat, and generate concussive force or protective shields. So who still win??

Jean is not a better telepathy than Charles, not without Phoenix anyways.

they both are on the same level...emma stop professor x from going onto her mind. and plus she was part of the inner circle. so she was evil at one point, so i pretty sure she is a powerful telepath.

Jean

Emma Frost

I would say Jean Grey, because not only is Jean Grey an Omega-Level mutant, and Emma Frost is an Alpha-Level mutant; but it has been shown that Jean Grey can combine her Telepathy and Telekineses create powerful offensive attacks. Last time I heard Emma Frost can't use both Diamond and Telepathy at the same time…unless she had the Phoenix Force, which has been shown that Jean can easily beat her down, and remove the Phoenix from Emma without any difficulty like a stroll in the park.

It is going to take more than just telepathy to win this. They aren't that far apart in telepathy. Could go either way honestly.

Jean wins, more versatile

@zhurong: They are very far apart in telepathy, Jean is far more powerful than Emma telepathically, which is why her telepathy has worked on Emma even in diamond form. Jean can win this with telepathy alone, tk is just an added bonus just in case she wants to get physical.

It will only go one way, Emma losing.

@lordofallhumans: Emma can just leave her body and have a soul fight with Jean.

@zhurong:

That's called astral projection, and it is where telepathic battles take place as all minds are connected to it. Anytime you see telepaths in a battle, you are vicariously witnessing them on the psionic plane in psionic forms duking it out. The psionic plane is the astral plane. Which would make psionic forms, within this context, astral projections. The astral body is the soul in Marvel. We've seen Jean beat ghosts and bring people back from the brink of death in astral form. Jean being the better, more powerful telepath proves she will win in a "soul fight". You only have to look back at Onslaught. His very presense on the astral plane was too much for Emma, while Jean attacked him directly and got one good hit in, before he showed her who was boss.