DiamondFrost says:
"Emma fangirl here. Jean Grey with no Phoenix is a smear on the ground. In earlier issues of New X-Men, Emma fought Phoenix for Scott and managed to last without becoming a vegetable. As for the actually battle itself, their telepathy is a bit in Jean's favor, but as soon as Emma goes diamond, fight is over. Jean is a pathetic hand to hand fighter while in Diamond form, Emma can lift over 50 tons, fight without tiring and is immune to mental attacks, and most elements. Which means Jean's TK won't do a damn thing. Only thing I can see Jean doing when Emma is in diamond form is finding her weakspot. But even knowing that it would take another diamond to destroy her. Anyone who read Astonishing X-Men remembers when Danger was told that she couldn't pierce Emma's skin. So even with her drill, the tip couldn't do anything. And the most important thing, Emma managed to defeat ALL THE X-MEN HERSELF when in the Hellfire Club as well as when she was controlled by Cassandra Nova. Like to see Jean do that. So Emma wins without a shadow of a doubt"
You must be out of your ever lovin' mind. Jean is not a pathetic hand to hand fighter. Remember when Jean lost her TK to Psylocke and got Psylocke's telepathy added to her own. Yeah, Jean was so used to fighting with her TK that when she came across people that her telepathy had no effect on, Jean ended up being useless. So she learned hand-to-hand combat. She can fight. Oh yeah. In fact in New X-Men, I believe when Cassandra Nova sent the Imperial Guard to attack the school, Manta attacked her and some kids boasting that she has defenses against her TP and TK and Jean replied with a kick to the stomach and slamming her face into a desk. Look it up.
People, don't forget that Jean is an Omega-level telepath. Stronger than ever since she absorbed Psylocke. Look at this description from Wikipedia.
Jean is considered to be one of the Earth's most powerful telepathic minds. Jean Grey, as the Phoenix, has limitless telepathic powers, able to influence any individual. Jean's telepathy allows her to communicate with others telepathically, read the thoughts of others, influence and control the minds of others, project her mind into the astral plane, and generate telepathic force blasts that can stun or kill others. Jean is one of the few telepaths skilled enough to communicate with animals (animals with high intelligence such as dogs, ravens and dolphins). She can also telepathically take away people's natural bodily functions and senses, such as sight, hearing, smell, taste, or even mutant powers. A side effect of her telepathy is that she is gifted with total recall - she remembers everything. When Jean absorbs Psylocke's specialized telepathic powers, her own telepathy is increased to the point that she can physically manifest her telepathy as a psionic firebird whose claws can inflict both physical and mental damage. Jean can use her amplified telepathy to increase temporarily the speed of neural signals in the brain, which allows her to boost a mutant's powers to incredible levels. She briefly develops a psychic shadow form like Psylocke's, with a gold Phoenix emblem over her eye instead of the Crimson Dawn mark possessed by Psylocke.
Her telekinetic strength and skill are both of an extremely high level, capable of grasping objects in Earth orbit and manipulating hundreds of components in mid-air in complex patterns. She can telekinetically lift several tons of matter at once, and has learned to use her power both aggressively and defensively, as blasts of focused telekinetic force or defensive shields strong enough to withstand out of scale ballistic impacts. She has also been shown to manifest a fiery aura offensively by using her telekinetic powers to excite the air molecules around her into focused combustion that produce heat and light in her immediate area. Jean also possesses the power of flight through her telekinesis without the Phoenix. She manifests a "telekinetic sensitivity" to objects in her immediate environment that lets her feel the texture of objects, their molecular patterns, feel when other objects come into contact with them, and probe them at a molecular level.
Here's what the 'vine has to say about her telepathy, that hasn't been said.
Jean is considered one of the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel Universe, and is said to eventually become even more powerful then Professor Xavier, who is said to currently be the most powerful telepath. Her telepathy is now strong enough to the point where she can manifest a psionic version of the phoenix bird, with the fire claws actually hurting anyone it touches.
These are descriptions of Jean's Omega-level TP and TK without Phoenix. Don't get me wrong. Emma is badass and though at first I hated her (maybe it was Morrison's writing her), she is starting to grow on me. Even though she is a much better villain and, if someone could write her good, could be a better villain than when Claremont wrote her. Emma is a powerful telepath. I rank her fifth in the top 10 most powerful telepaths in Marvel Universe after Jean, Professor X, Mr. Sinister, and Exodus. And Emma's diamond form is strong but she can't bench 50 tons. She can sustain pressure from large amounts of weight but she can bench probably about 2 tons from what I've seen but she withstood a punch from World War Hulk.
Emma is not immune to telepathy in diamond form and yes, she did take out the whole X-Men with a complex psychic illusion, so could Jean.
My main thing is this would be a good throwdown but it goes to Jean. She can use both her powers at the same time too. Emma unfortunately can't.
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