Elektra vs Wolverine
616 versions
In character
Regular equipment
KO, death, incapacitation and BFR allowed
Please explain your choice using logic and reason. If you do not know about the characters, look them up using the links I have provided.
Setting:
Strip mall. Closing time. 5 security guards are walking the parameter. A monorail runs above and through the strip mall every hour that can be used only when it is in the area.
" @erik: well,is it really needed? "I suppose not but it seems as though people are having a hard time complying with the rules. I theorize that if I make the threads the way they are supposed to be made, making their threads obsolete, people will take the time to actually give a damn about their own threads.
been done. Elektra wins.
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" been done. Elektra wins.No it has not.
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Logan wins this.
He is a better fighter, physically better, a lot more durable with healing as well.
Nerve strikes won't do much to him and neither Elektra's equipments.
Logan on the other hand is skilled enough to tag her and put her down.
I think her powers will allow her to hold her own for long but in the end she will lose.
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Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her?
" @Daydream said:" Elektra, since only a KO is needed to win. IIRC, she also had the upper-hand in their brief clash during Enemy of the State. "Is that the fight where Wolverine was also fighting several faceless S.H.I.E.L.D. agents? "
She actually stayed on the sidelines until he had slain a great number of them and then entered the fight. She used her sais to hit a pressure point and effectively paralyze him. Logan was freed when some pre-set explosions rocked the cargo freighter they were sailing on.
" @erik: What Jake Fury said... "
Sorry, i just read this and its fresh in my mind.
" @Jake Fury said:" Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her? "Nope. Because BFR and KO are both accepted means of victory in this scenario. "
I don't really see either of them being capable of BFR. I don't think they'd kill each other either....
" @erik said:That is what I thought. He was gutting through other opponents when she entered the fight. I would not really say that is a fair instance to use as a basis for an argument. Furthermore, he was fighting being brainwashed. None of the things he did were technically things he did. Also, Wolverine does not need to try to kill her just like she does not need to try to kill him." @Daydream said:She actually stayed on the sidelines until he had slain a great number of them and then entered the fight. She used her sais to hit a pressure point and effectively paralyze him. Logan was freed when some pre-set explosions rocked the cargo freighter they were sailing on. "" Elektra, since only a KO is needed to win. IIRC, she also had the upper-hand in their brief clash during Enemy of the State. "Is that the fight where Wolverine was also fighting several faceless S.H.I.E.L.D. agents? "
" Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her? "Logan can also KO people. He is strong and skilled enough to do it. He also knows how to tag people with his claws without killing them. All that gives him a great advantage.
@Daydream said:
" Elektra, since only a KO is needed to win. IIRC, she also had the upper-hand in their brief clash during Enemy of the State. "The fight never ended. Having the upper hand for a few seconds that the fight lasted it does not necessary mean that she could beat him.
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" @The Dark Huntress said:Does the scream have a concussive force? If it does and it's strong enough, that could potentially BFR him. But I highly doubt that it does. Still leaves KO, though." @Jake Fury said:I don't really see either of them being capable of BFR. I don't think they'd kill each other either.... "" Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her? "Nope. Because BFR and KO are both accepted means of victory in this scenario. "
" @Jake Fury said:" @The Dark Huntress said:Does the scream have a concussive force? If it does and it's strong enough, that could potentially BFR him. But I highly doubt that it does. Still leaves KO, though. "" @Jake Fury said:I don't really see either of them being capable of BFR. I don't think they'd kill each other either.... "" Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her? "Nope. Because BFR and KO are both accepted means of victory in this scenario. "
I always forget about her scream. You're right about that.
" @Jake Fury said:Elektra mostly used that scream against normal people." @The Dark Huntress said:Does the scream have a concussive force? If it does and it's strong enough, that could potentially BFR him. But I highly doubt that it does. Still leaves KO, though. "" @Jake Fury said:I don't really see either of them being capable of BFR. I don't think they'd kill each other either.... "" Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her? "Nope. Because BFR and KO are both accepted means of victory in this scenario. "
We don't know if it's enough to cause real damage on someone far above a normal human that can also heal as well.
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"Does the scream have a concussive force? If it does and it's strong enough, that could potentially BFR him. But I highly doubt that it does. Still leaves KO, though. "I have only seen the silent scream push a man through a glass door, rendering him unconscious. Do you have another instance where it was shown to be more powerful?
" @Jake Fury said:" Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her? "Logan can also KO people. He is strong and skilled enough to do it. He also knows how to tag people with his claws without killing them. All that gives him a great advantage.
@Daydream said:" Elektra, since only a KO is needed to win. IIRC, she also had the upper-hand in their brief clash during Enemy of the State. "The fight never ended. Having the upper hand for a few seconds that the fight lasted it does not necessary mean that she could beat him. =] "
True on both counts. I'm about to head home and I'll post the scans from the Enemy Of The State fight.
Well, this fight takes place with 5 security guards walking around and a train coming every hour, so i don't think they will make a huge scene, i think they will probably hold back, but i think Elektra will want to end it quick whilst people are walking around, so i think she will resort to her powers and overpower his mind, so i give Elektra the edge....
" @spidey 15 said:That would be awesome." @Jake Fury said:True on both counts. I'm about to head home and I'll post the scans from the Enemy Of The State fight. "" Can I say Elektra wins because I don't think Logan would kill her? "Logan can also KO people. He is strong and skilled enough to do it. He also knows how to tag people with his claws without killing them. All that gives him a great advantage.
@Daydream said:" Elektra, since only a KO is needed to win. IIRC, she also had the upper-hand in their brief clash during Enemy of the State. "The fight never ended. Having the upper hand for a few seconds that the fight lasted it does not necessary mean that she could beat him. =] "
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" Well, this fight takes place with 5 security guards walking around and a train coming every hour, so i don't think they will make a huge scene, i think they will probably hold back, but i think Elektra will want to end it quick whilst people are walking around, so i think she will resort to her powers and overpower his mind, so i give Elektra the edge.... "I think her mind powers will only serve to hinder Wolverine, not overcome him. Greater mental combatants than Elektra have tried and even failed.
" @erik said:Give Logan a rest after fighting those guys and the outcome may not be the same." @Daydream said:She actually stayed on the sidelines until he had slain a great number of them and then entered the fight. She used her sais to hit a pressure point and effectively paralyze him. Logan was freed when some pre-set explosions rocked the cargo freighter they were sailing on. "" Elektra, since only a KO is needed to win. IIRC, she also had the upper-hand in their brief clash during Enemy of the State. "Is that the fight where Wolverine was also fighting several faceless S.H.I.E.L.D. agents? "
I'm just gunna go ahead and say Wolverine because I like him better.
@erik said:
" @The Dark Huntress said:I'm not as familiar with her as I'd like to be, which is why I'm (attempting) to test the waters here. I haven't seen it do anything super-impressive and if it's only done that to a normal man, then I don't see it having a huge effect on Wolverine, who has adamantium-laden bones."Does the scream have a concussive force? If it does and it's strong enough, that could potentially BFR him. But I highly doubt that it does. Still leaves KO, though. "I have only seen the silent scream push a man through a glass door, rendering him unconscious. Do you have another instance where it was shown to be more powerful? "
" @comicdude23 said:" Well, this fight takes place with 5 security guards walking around and a train coming every hour, so i don't think they will make a huge scene, i think they will probably hold back, but i think Elektra will want to end it quick whilst people are walking around, so i think she will resort to her powers and overpower his mind, so i give Elektra the edge.... "I think her mind powers will only serve to hinder Wolverine, not overcome him. Greater mental combatants than Elektra have tried and even failed. "
Really? well i change my vote to Logan, he will get the bloodlust,
"I'm not as familiar with her as I'd like to be, which is why I'm (attempting) to test the waters here. I haven't seen it do anything super-impressive and if it's only done that to a normal man, then I don't see it having a huge effect on Wolverine, who has adamantium-laden bones. "That is what I thought as well. I am sure it may affect him (pushing him back or toppling him) but I doubt it will knock him out.
"going with wolverine "
Agreed, i change my vote to Logan, he will get the bloodlust and overpower her, then rip her apart, if her telepathic powers were stronger i would give it to her, but Logan has this...
" @spidey 15: True, but even if it was simply a short instance, it still demonstrates that she is capable of subduing him, and when she had her sai in his neck (?), Elektra could have done something to Wolverine while he was helpless. "She is capable of holding her own but she has no real way of KOing him. Logan has healed from nerve strikes in seconds and he has high pain tolerance. Also he is very durable, i don't think Elektra can KO him with punches either. In the end, Logan's skills healing and durability, will be too much for her to handle.
The fight in Enemy of the State didn't prove much. It only shows that she could hold her own for a few seconds. She still has no way of beating him.
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Where does it say anywhere that he's bloodlusted? OP specifically says in character." @PirateKing69 said:
"going with wolverine "Agreed, i change my vote to Logan, he will get the bloodlust and overpower her, then rip her apart, if her telepathic powers were stronger i would give it to her, but Logan has this... "
@erik said:
It's not going to be enough to give her a definitive win. I'll take Logan for the win." @The Dark Huntress said:
" I'm not as familiar with her as I'd like to be, which is why I'm (attempting) to test the waters here. I haven't seen it do anything super-impressive and if it's only done that to a normal man, then I don't see it having a huge effect on Wolverine, who has adamantium-laden bones. "That is what I thought as well. I am sure it may affect him (pushing him back or toppling him) but I doubt it will knock him out. "
The quality of these isn't great. But you get the general idea. From Enemy Of The State
Elektra jumps him from behind after he's been battling SHIELD agents.
Here, she effectively paralyzes him with her sais.
again, she paralyzes him with her sais.
The preset explosions kick in jarring him loose.
Here she dodges him showcasing her speed but he easily destroys her weapons.
finally all she does is manage to paralyze him again.
After this the ship floods with water and the fight ends.
Wolverine would win.
he has a higher chance of ko'ing her then she does him.
While she may be able to dodge him and counter him for a limited amount of time her success rate drops substantially the longer the fight goes.
the fight in enemy of the state was a mind controlled wolverine who was ran ragged and even then Elektra had to weigh her options before engaging him using the corridors and shield agent distraction to her advantage.
Logan has demostrated to easily out react her when he isnt in the mood to play with her in Wolverine issue # 103.
He grabbed her sias out of her hands in mid attack and vanished jumping over her while she was in the air in mid kick toward him. he also placed a sword back on its scaffle behind Electra's back before she even landed. This was when Wolverine was still struggling with his feral mutation and had to relearn and master his emotions and MA.
Elektra is fully aware that she is no match for Logan as she has stated in the past she is only does so well b/c Logan holds back when it comes to her which she likes to take advantage of.
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Looks like it sir.
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