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#1 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

If these two fought randomly without any knowledge of each other on a rooftop in New York with their standard gear, who'd win?

#2 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva, handily.

#3 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Oh no no no. Shiva wouldn't beat Elektra easily. If at all.

#4 Posted by HAMMER_OF_J2 (977 posts) - - Show Bio

They're both pretty boss but shiva would win by a good amount

#5 Posted by Pokeysteve (8110 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra is not on Shiva's level of skill. Unless Elektra has her powers she loses 10/10.

#6 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: I'm aware of Shiva's feats. What puts her so far ahead of all other martial artists? Don't give me the "she beat Batman" excuse or the "She supposedly the best martial artist in the universe" excuse either.

#7 Posted by Erick_Williams (754 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva, what where you expecting?

#8 Edited by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@erick_williams: I'm not surprised if someone thinks that Shiva could win, the notion that Shiva could do it with ease bothers me. I'm not sure who'd win in a random fight, so I made this. I know that one is capable of beating the other and neither of them would win with ease.

#9 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio

@erick_williams: I'm not surprised if someone thinks that Shiva could win, the notion that Shiva could do it with ease bothers me. I'm not sure who'd win in a random fight, so I made this. I know that one is capable of beating the other and neither of them would win with ease.

Shiva can do it with ease. She is pretty much the best martial artist in DC. Elektra hardly comes close.

#10 Posted by Pokeysteve (8110 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: I'm aware of Shiva's feats. What puts her so far ahead of all other martial artists? Don't give me the "she beat Batman" excuse or the "She supposedly the best martial artist in the universe" excuse either.

She's ahead of them because she's beaten them. Cassandra Cain has beaten her twice and I'd put her above Shiva. Everyone else that's fought Shiva has lost or stalemated her. What has Elektra done that puts her any where near Shiva?

#11 Edited by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000 said:

@pokeysteve: I'm aware of Shiva's feats. What puts her so far ahead of all other martial artists? Don't give me the "she beat Batman" excuse or the "She supposedly the best martial artist in the universe" excuse either.

She's ahead of them because she's beaten them. Cassandra Cain has beaten her twice and I'd put her above Shiva. Everyone else that's fought Shiva has lost or stalemated her. What has Elektra done that puts her any where near Shiva?

Cassandra Cain is my girl!

#12 Posted by Pokeysteve (8110 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

She's ahead of them because she's beaten them. Cassandra Cain has beaten her twice and I'd put her above Shiva. Everyone else that's fought Shiva has lost or stalemated her. What has Elektra done that puts her any where near Shiva?

Cassandra Cain is my girl!

Heck yes!!

#13 Edited by Thewhiteronin (742 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000 said:

@wolverine08: Oh no no no. Shiva wouldn't beat Elektra easily. If at all.

You do realize that if you create a thread with a predetermined winner in mind that this will get locked, right?

#14 Posted by MonsterStomp (16160 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve said:

@generator2000 said:

@pokeysteve: I'm aware of Shiva's feats. What puts her so far ahead of all other martial artists? Don't give me the "she beat Batman" excuse or the "She supposedly the best martial artist in the universe" excuse either.

She's ahead of them because she's beaten them. Cassandra Cain has beaten her twice and I'd put her above Shiva. Everyone else that's fought Shiva has lost or stalemated her. What has Elektra done that puts her any where near Shiva?

Cassandra Cain is my girl!

She's MY girl!

#15 Posted by patrat18 (9020 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme said:

@pokeysteve said:

@generator2000 said:

@pokeysteve: I'm aware of Shiva's feats. What puts her so far ahead of all other martial artists? Don't give me the "she beat Batman" excuse or the "She supposedly the best martial artist in the universe" excuse either.

She's ahead of them because she's beaten them. Cassandra Cain has beaten her twice and I'd put her above Shiva. Everyone else that's fought Shiva has lost or stalemated her. What has Elektra done that puts her any where near Shiva?

Cassandra Cain is my girl!

She's MY girl!

I actually called dibs first.....

#17 Edited by robertloucksjr (1671 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra -tons of special ninja skills (tp/tk/silent scream) that Shiva lacks.

#18 Posted by MonsterStomp (16160 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: You actually can't call dibs when she's already taken.....

#19 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokeysteve: Daredevil, Bullseye, Multiple Hand Ninjas, American Samurai, Wolverine...Must I go on? She can take Shiva on.

Oh yeah, I haven't mentioned any of her chi abilities either. She is capable of fighting Lady Shiva.

#20 Posted by IcePrince_X (4856 posts) - - Show Bio

Elektra...skill and power-wise

#21 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Edited by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewhiteronin: I never said that. Read my comment, I said "if at all". I didn't pick a side.

@generator2000 said:

@wolverine08: Oh no no no. Shiva wouldn't beat Elektra easily. If at all.

You do realize that if you create a thread with a predetermined winner in mind that this will get locked, right?

#23 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: You actually can't call dibs when she's already taken.....

yeah because I called dibz, plus she wants me more. lol

#25 Edited by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio

@thewhiteronin: I never said that. Read my comment, I said "if at all". I didn't pick a side.

@thewhiteronin said:

@generator2000 said:

@wolverine08: Oh no no no. Shiva wouldn't beat Elektra easily. If at all.

You do realize that if you create a thread with a predetermined winner in mind that this will get locked, right?

It wouldn't get this locked, simply due to the fact that the "pre-determined winner" is the one that loses this match.

#26 Posted by MonsterStomp (16160 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp said:

@cable_extreme: You actually can't call dibs when she's already taken.....

yeah because I called dibz, plus she wants me more. lol

Wha-? She wants Slade over Altair? Pfft.

#27 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: Shiva could beat Elektra, Elektra could beat Shiva, but you cannot tell me that it would be a stomp.

#29 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: Shiva could beat Elektra, Elektra could beat Shiva, but you cannot tell me that it would be a stomp.

It would be "borderline" stomp then, in Shiva's favor.

#30 Posted by dondave (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

Sandra

#31 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3215 posts) - - Show Bio

Lady Shiva and with ease. Never seen Eleketra be on Lady Shiva's level when it came to Martial arts. She's not even on Daredevils level and Shiva would soundly beat DD in H2H.

#33 Posted by Cable_Extreme (8693 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Edited by King-Stranglehold da first (3215 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000 said:

@wolverine08: Oh no no no. Shiva wouldn't beat Elektra easily. If at all.

Actually she would. She would read all of Elektra's move and then destroy her. Elektra wouldn't last a second against Batman in H2H and Shiva way ahead of Batman. So way ahead that Batman actually asked her to train him. Shiva is way up the latter of DC's top Martial artist. While Elektra on the other hand is not even that high. Elektra is mostly a ninja and not a good martial artist and her being a ninja really means nothing against Shiva.

So yeah Shiva would destroy Elektra.

#35 Edited by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first: What makes you think that because she is capable of beating/ stalemating the best in DC, Shiva is automatically above any and every Marvel Martial Artist? Elektra still has held her own against skilled opponents who are just as good as any DC martial artist.

EXAMPLE: WOLVERINE. Elektra held her own against him. She could take on Lady Shiva.

#36 Edited by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first: What makes you think that because she is capable of beating/ stalemating the best in DC, Shiva is automatically above any and every Marvel Martial Artist? Shiva still has held her own against skilled opponents who are just as good as any DC martial artist.

EXAMPLE: WOLVERINE.

Wolverine isn't from DC..................

#37 Posted by dondave (34674 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first: What makes you think that because she is capable of beating/ stalemating the best in DC, Shiva is automatically above any and every Marvel Martial Artist? Shiva still has held her own against skilled opponents who are just as good as any DC martial artist.

EXAMPLE: WOLVERINE.

Wolverine isn't from DC..................

I think he means Elektra has held her own against Wolverine

#38 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: I made a mistake, I meant that it was an example of someone Elektra has held her own against. LEt's just call that a typo.

#39 Edited by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@wolverine08 said:

@generator2000 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first: What makes you think that because she is capable of beating/ stalemating the best in DC, Shiva is automatically above any and every Marvel Martial Artist? Shiva still has held her own against skilled opponents who are just as good as any DC martial artist.

EXAMPLE: WOLVERINE.

Wolverine isn't from DC..................

I think he means Elektra has held her own against Wolverine

Ah.

#40 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000: Elektra has held her own against a Wolverine whom she was training and had forgotten some stuff, and with a stupidly large hoard of Hand Ninja. Not particularly impressive at all.

#41 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Meh, if you say so. I'm done debating for now, so I leave you with this. Jar Jar Binks beats all!

#42 Edited by King-Stranglehold da first (3215 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first: What makes you think that because she is capable of beating/ stalemating the best in DC, Shiva is automatically above any and every Marvel Martial Artist? Shiva still has held her own against skilled opponents who are just as good as any DC martial artist.

EXAMPLE: WOLVERINE.

First off...Your post is confusing and so is your wording. No offense. But I am pretty sure you are talking about Elektra.

Second off...When did I ever even state Shiva would be all of Marvels top Martial artist???? I said he was way up the latter compared to Elektra. Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman. Lady Shiva has actually held her own against Cassandra Cain who completely outclasses Elektra in fighting abilities. She even fought Cain who is another skilled Martial artist while pregnant. Cain who held his own against Batman. Lady Shiva was even skilled enough to make a fool out Supergirl. Elektra on the other hand struggled with Bullseye who is not even a good of a Martial artist and nowhere near Shiva's. Shiva has faced much tougher and skilled opponent compared to Elektra. Wolverine is not good enough.

She wins with ease and especially considering she can read all Elektra's move and also considering you can argue that she's much faster and stronger than Elektra.

So again Shiva wins this.

#43 Posted by generator2000 (1045 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first: Yeah, Typo fhdzzzzzzzzzzztg4rsfkijfdbndsf;c.

@generator2000 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first: What makes you think that because she is capable of beating/ stalemating the best in DC, Shiva is automatically above any and every Marvel Martial Artist? Shiva still has held her own against skilled opponents who are just as good as any DC martial artist.

EXAMPLE: WOLVERINE.

First off...Your post is confusing and so is your wording. No offense. But I am pretty sure you are talking about Elektra.

Second off...When did I ever even state Shiva would be all of Marvels top Martial artist???? I said he was way up the latter compared to Elektra. Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman. Lady Shiva has actually held her own against Cassandra Cain who completely outclasses Elektra in fighting abilities. She even fought Cain who is another skilled Martial artist while pregnant. Cain who held his own against Batman. Lady Shiva was even skilled enough to make a fool out Supergirl. Elektra on the other hand struggled with Bullseye who is not even a good of a Martial artist and nowhere near Shiva's. Shiva has faced much tougher and skilled opponent compared to Elektra. Wolverine is not good enough.

She wins with ease and especially considering she can read all Elektra's move and also considering you can argue that she's much faster and stronger than Elektra.

So again Shiva wins this.

Yeah, Typo... did you just say that Lady Shiva and Batman are better than Wolverine? You have just convinced me tyhat you know nothing about comics! Captain America, The Hulk, Shang Chi, Sabertooth, Deadpool, Omega Red, Spider Man, Deathstroke (non canon), Daken,Silver Samurai, The Hand, Elektra... you're comment makes no sense. Wolverine is better than Batman, Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain... Wolverine is better than all of them.

Elektra is debatable and I can understand if you think Elektra would lose to Shiva, but being completely incorrect is another thing.

#44 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman.

Yeah, don't get too ahead of yourself there.

#45 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3215 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first: Yeah, Typo fhdzzzzzzzzzzztg4rsfkijfdbndsf;c.

@king_stranglehold_da_first said:

@generator2000 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first: What makes you think that because she is capable of beating/ stalemating the best in DC, Shiva is automatically above any and every Marvel Martial Artist? Shiva still has held her own against skilled opponents who are just as good as any DC martial artist.

EXAMPLE: WOLVERINE.

First off...Your post is confusing and so is your wording. No offense. But I am pretty sure you are talking about Elektra.

Second off...When did I ever even state Shiva would be all of Marvels top Martial artist???? I said he was way up the latter compared to Elektra. Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman. Lady Shiva has actually held her own against Cassandra Cain who completely outclasses Elektra in fighting abilities. She even fought Cain who is another skilled Martial artist while pregnant. Cain who held his own against Batman. Lady Shiva was even skilled enough to make a fool out Supergirl. Elektra on the other hand struggled with Bullseye who is not even a good of a Martial artist and nowhere near Shiva's. Shiva has faced much tougher and skilled opponent compared to Elektra. Wolverine is not good enough.

She wins with ease and especially considering she can read all Elektra's move and also considering you can argue that she's much faster and stronger than Elektra.

So again Shiva wins this.

Yeah, Typo... did you just say that Lady Shiva and Batman are better than Wolverine? You have just convinced me tyhat you know nothing about comics! Captain America, The Hulk, Shang Chi, Sabertooth, Deadpool, Omega Red, Spider Man, Deathstroke (non canon), Daken,Silver Samurai, The Hand, Elektra... you're comment makes no sense. Wolverine is better than Batman, Lady Shiva, Cassandra Cain... Wolverine is better than all of them.

Elektra is debatable and I can understand if you think Elektra would lose to Shiva, but being completely incorrect is another thing.

And you just convinced me that I shouldn't even waste my time with you! I know nothing about comics? lol. You know don't even know the basics of my argument. Try reading a DC comic.

And what the heck does that list even suppose to mean??? I'm NOT debating Wolverine, but anyways Hulk, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Spider Man, Silver Samurai are not even freaking Martial artist. You just deflated your own argument. And yet you said my comment makes no sense. Yeah right.

The Hand are mostly Ninja's and attack in swarms. They're not formidable Martial Artist like Shiva, Batman or Cass. Cass alone would estroy almost all on your list besides Cap and maybe Shang Chi if it was just pure H2H and they were powered down to her level. Wolverine is better than Cass??? Do you even know who Cassandra Cain is???

IIRC Wolverine only fought Shang Chi in a sparring/training. Neither were not even serious. As for Captain America, Wolverine IS as skilled as he or probably better but its mostly due to Wolverine being Superhuman. I don't even know why you brought of Deathstroke when that fight was non canon and Cass actually fought Deathstroke and was doing good IIRC. And now that Wolverine08 made me remember, she only fought him in a training section and the hand came. So bringing up Wolverine is moot. I had asked you to NAME ME fighters that Elektra has fought that were on par with Shiva and yet you failed.

Again Shiva has actually fought more skilled people than Elektra. Elektra's martial arts are lack luster and IIRC the Hand even mentioned so.

#46 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3215 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman.

Yeah, don't get too ahead of yourself there.

No I'm not even saying Batman would BEAT Wolverine if that's what you're saying but that Batman is a much better skilled H2H fighter than Wolverine. We can agree to disagree since Wolverine is NOT in this match.

#47 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman.

Yeah, don't get too ahead of yourself there.

No I'm not even saying Batman would BEAT Wolverine if that's what you're saying but that Batman is a much better skilled H2H fighter than Wolverine. We can agree to disagree since Wolverine is NOT in this match.

Feats, showings of technical knowledge, and martial expertise debunk this idea.

#48 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

Wolverine only fought Shang Chi in a sparring/training. Neither were not even serious. As for Captain America, Wolverine IS as skilled as he or probably better but its mostly due to Wolverine being Superhuman.

These are both false. Wolverine has curb stomped Shang Chi in a H2H fight, and Steve is a enhanced human himself with physical stats comparable to Wolverine's, and has been beaten handily by him when Wolverine had a healing factor that was barely working, and Steve was completely fresh.

#49 Edited by King-Stranglehold da first (3215 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first said:

@wolverine08 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman.

Yeah, don't get too ahead of yourself there.

No I'm not even saying Batman would BEAT Wolverine if that's what you're saying but that Batman is a much better skilled H2H fighter than Wolverine. We can agree to disagree since Wolverine is NOT in this match.

Feats, showings of technical knowledge, and martial expertise debunk this idea.

Debunks what? Wolverine isn't even consistently portrayed as martial artist like Batman. If you want to go the feat route, Batman has much more better Martial arts feats than Wolverine. This is coming from someone who really doesn't like Batman.

#50 Posted by Wolverine08 (38958 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first said:

@wolverine08 said:

@king_stranglehold_da_first:

Elektra held her own against Wolverine? Wolverine is not even on the skill level of Batman.

Yeah, don't get too ahead of yourself there.

No I'm not even saying Batman would BEAT Wolverine if that's what you're saying but that Batman is a much better skilled H2H fighter than Wolverine. We can agree to disagree since Wolverine is NOT in this match.

Feats, showings of technical knowledge, and martial expertise debunk this idea.

Debunks what? Wolverine isn't even consistently portrayed as martial artist like Batman. If you want to go the feat route, Batman has much more better Martial arts feats than Wolverine. This is coming from someone who really doesn't like Batman.

Wolverine's lack of consistency has been attributed by his Master Po to be due to laziness in applying his skill. When he's making an complete effort to use that skill, he's generally unmatched. Batman does not have "much more better" martial arts feats than Wolverine mate.