" @SwaggaB0y said:thanks a lot"http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Cheshire "what does Cheshire mean I'm trying to find the meaning but keep coming up empty can anyone help?
I keep see this word in different types of media if anyone is wondering.
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Elektra vs Cheshire
@Gambler....
Sorry again for taking so long.I wrote this whole thing out and then when I tried to post a scan,the page crashed.
In you last post you made an observation about pressure points and nerve strikes and how people don't seem to use them against other credible fighters.Well my only point about that was Elektra breaks that mold.The only reason she doesn't use them as much as DD is because DD's weaponry is blunt.She usually stabs or slashes her opponent.Not that she hasn't used her sais to strike nerves.
Now,back on topic.Elektra does have the advantage as far as nerve strikes but I also think she's strong enough to weaken Cheshire and then take advantage.She has some major strength feats,even some that would surpass that of people like Cap and other peak humans.
To not go off on a tangent about whom beat who.I will just acknowledge that Cheshire has faced some tough opponents. While I don't think she has at the very least the physical ability to keep up with Deathstroke. I will accept that she has a pretty good track record when it comes to who she's faced off with. However I would like to know where she ranks in the DC Universe. Is she top 10 good? If she fought Shiva would she actually give her a good fighter or even a better one than she's gotten from the likes of the Bat-Family or Richard Dragon,or King Snake.
As far as accolades go...Wolverine thinks Elektra is "World's Greatest Ninja". Remember all of the Ninja's he's faced (DD,Psylocke,The Hand,Stick etc.)
In my previous post when I said Elektra has excellent awareness, I mean like when she's not looking and even when she's sleep,it's virtually impossible to sneak up on her.In these next scans she shows her ability to find her enemies even without seeing them.She pinpoints a man's locations through the wall and puts her blade through it..killing him.And in the next scan a hand Ninja tries to sneak up on her while she's asleep and she wakes up and you know the rest.
And to end this on a solid note.When Elektra is unarmed she really owns people when she wants to get out of a jam so without bringing her telepathic abilities in it.Here is an instances where she punches holes through people on the way out of where she was held captive.
The last thing I wanna say is I think Elektra has the upperhand with her versatility.It seems that Elektra can kill easily whether she's armed or not.And I mean kill brutually.She compared a man's skull to an eggshell when she punched through it.She's hella strong.She may not have the reaction time to tag Jesse Quick (though i'm sure by DC's standards she would) I think she's fast enough to land shots and to land ones that will either hurt her bad enough to end the fight or weaken her so she can take advantage.
" Nice. I dont really think I can counter most of what Elektra is capable of doing, so I'll concede/ "wipes sweat off
Good..I didn't have anything else :)
" @Vance Astro:@Gambler: Cool debate guys Vance, about where Cheshire ranks among DC's martial artists I'd put her somewhere under the top 10. Would probably rank somwhere in the middle of a top 25 (this is excluding karate kid and metas) "Ok.That's what I figured.I'm interested in Cheshire now.I was asking to gauge who I would put her against in battle forums.
She's pretty cool. She stomps Roy everytime they fight (but he still loves her so there's other factors). And Nightwing wants no part of her cause of her poison. She beat Shiva once after poisoning her, but she also got her @$$ whooped by Black Canary. She'd be in my top ten.
" She's pretty cool. She stomps Roy everytime they fight (but he still loves her so there's other factors). And Nightwing wants no part of her cause of her poison. She beat Shiva once after poisoning her, but she also got her @$$ whooped by Black Canary. She'd be in my top ten. "All I had seen over her before now is the scans of her punching Wonder Woman..posted to make Wonder Woman look bad.
" @Gambler said:Thats actually a crazy fight. She holds her own against Wonder Woman. Its total PIS for Wonder Woman, but just to read it as a fan makes Cheshire look badass. She also beat Starfire." She's pretty cool. She stomps Roy everytime they fight (but he still loves her so there's other factors). And Nightwing wants no part of her cause of her poison. She beat Shiva once after poisoning her, but she also got her @$$ whooped by Black Canary. She'd be in my top ten. "All I had seen over her before now is the scans of her punching Wonder Woman..posted to make Wonder Woman look bad. "
Shiva
Richard Dragon
Cassie
Constantine Drakon
Batman
Connor Hawke
Nightwing
No real order, and just imo.
" @Gambler: Shiva Richard Dragon Cassie Constantine Drakon Batman Connor Hawke Nightwing No real order, and just imo. "Nice, but I dont think Nightwing is above her. But thats me.
I don't know, they look fairly even, and Dick has gotten better since the days when he had that costume. I was also thinking of it in terms of straight up skill, excluding the nails.
@ Gambler..I was going to post that.She was fighting Fatale and Zaran at the same time.I mean Zaran is fodder despite being a level 7,but Fatale is pretty good.
" @ Gambler..I was going to post that.She was fighting Fatale and Zaran at the same time.I mean Zaran is fodder despite being a level 7,but Fatale is pretty good. "He actually beat her earlier in the comic and was going to kill her, but got interfered with.
" Cheshire should win. Elektra is overrated. "Being overrated isn't a reason to say someone wins....and Cheshire definitely doesn't.
" @Vance Astro said:She still one shotted him in the second fight." @ Gambler..I was going to post that.She was fighting Fatale and Zaran at the same time.I mean Zaran is fodder despite being a level 7,but Fatale is pretty good. "He actually beat her earlier in the comic and was going to kill her, but got interfered with. "
" @Gambler said:Of course she did. He's Zaran and she's Elektra lol" @Vance Astro said:She still one shotted him in the second fight. "" @ Gambler..I was going to post that.She was fighting Fatale and Zaran at the same time.I mean Zaran is fodder despite being a level 7,but Fatale is pretty good. "He actually beat her earlier in the comic and was going to kill her, but got interfered with. "
Agreed.This is a better fight than the Katana one, but Elektra still wins.
Cheshire takes this, more ruthless.How is Cheshire more ruthless if Elektra is an assassin and has killed tons of people?
@phoenixdiamond616: What's up with all the Elektra bumping?
Cheshire is better H2H combatant. She wins
No she isn't... She is a borderline B class fighter and Elektra is a borderline A class fighter... Cheshire can compete with her other skills but not in hand to hand only...
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