#1 Posted by ___Living_Tribunal_22__ (388 posts) - - Show Bio

In the Chaos War, Gaea while weakened by Mikaboshi was powerful enough to give Hercules enough power to be God of Gods and be able to fight Mikaboshi, who at the time absorbed 98.76% of the Multiverse. So, how do you think a group of Gaea level beings would fare against the entities that keep balance of reality in the Multiverse? Let the battle begin! 
 
Elder Gods: 
 
Gaea 
Set 
Chthon 
Wild One 
Oshtur 
 
Abstracts: 
 
Eternity 
Death 
Galactus 
Oblivion 
Infinity
#2 Posted by Ortsab Ecnal (192 posts) - - Show Bio

i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

#3 Posted by ___Living_Tribunal_22__ (388 posts) - - Show Bio

i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

 
You do think they can triump a group of beings that one of them was able to give Hercules enough power to compete against Mikaboshi?
#4 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 

  • in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
  • In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
  • In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
  • In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
  • the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them
but 
 
  • Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto
in all honesty, i think the Abstracts take the win.. but surely, it would be an interesting battle.. 
#5 Edited by D3athstroke (3919 posts) - - Show Bio
@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:


i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

 You do think they can triump a group of beings that one of them was able to give Hercules enough power to compete against Mikaboshi?
She did not give him anything but she did teach him how to use his own power
#6 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio
@D3athstroke said:
@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:


i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

 You do think they can triump a group of beings that one of them was able to give Hercules enough power to compete against Mikaboshi?
She did not give him anything but she did teach him how to use his own power
true and false at the same time.. Hercules only managed to get hold of a power of Sky-Father at the very least, and he got this with the help of Amadeus Cho who gathered the artifacts which, according to the Gods would grant total divinity.. Hercules never owned those powers.. he and Amadeus dabbled with forces forbidden to bot Gods and Mortals.. now, Gaea is the source of everything the Gods can do and have done.. basically, the powers Hercules possessed back then due to the powers of the Gods themselves were all from Gaea, the Mother of Gods.. that is why the Council of Elite did everything just to protect her.. that is also why, it was only she who can teach someone to control those powers, like what Hercules himself said, he understood what it really means to be a God in Gaea's embrace.. also, in Chaos War: X-Men, Destiny while possessing the body of Moira McTagert, said that the only way to defeat the Chaos King it to unleash the most ancient and primal spirit of the Earth itself.. 
#7 Posted by TheFallenOne (1093 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:


                    there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 
  • in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
  • In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
  • In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
  • In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
  • the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them
but 
 
  • Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto
in all honesty, i think the Abstracts take the win.. but surely, it would be an interesting battle.. 


                   

               

The onl problem is that it was never stated that Shuma-Gorath stealmated Vishanti. It was just stated that Vishanti fought Shuma Gorath long time ago and that threat which Shuman Gorath presented at time whne Strange wanted their help is of no concern of Vishanti. 
 
As of recent Elder Gods seem to be far more powerful than abstracts.
#8 Edited by ___Living_Tribunal_22__ (388 posts) - - Show Bio

there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 

  • in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
  • In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
  • In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
  • In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
  • the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them
but 
 
  • Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto
in all honesty, i think the Abstracts take the win.. but surely, it would be an interesting battle.. 

 

But: 
 
Mikaboshi was able to banish Death from the Realm of Unliving, and CW Herc was powerful enough to stalemate Mikaboshi. And as you said in your last post, that power comes from Gaea.

#9 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheFallenOne said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:


                    there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 
  • in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
  • In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
  • In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
  • In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
  • the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them
but 
 
  • Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto
in all honesty, i think the Abstracts take the win.. but surely, it would be an interesting battle.. 


                   

               

The onl problem is that it was never stated that Shuma-Gorath stealmated Vishanti. It was just stated that Vishanti fought Shuma Gorath long time ago and that threat which Shuman Gorath presented at time whne Strange wanted their help is of no concern of Vishanti. 
 
As of recent Elder Gods seem to be far more powerful than abstracts.
Considering the Vishanti and Shuma-Gorath both remained and nothing was stated in Shuma's history that he had been banished by the Vishanti, the conclusion of the fight was obviously a stalemate.
#10 Posted by cosmic_reign (345 posts) - - Show Bio

@thefallenone:

u can't be serious??? An average Galactus may solo. (which is no where near his teammates level)

#11 Posted by jagernutt (2681 posts) - - Show Bio
#12 Posted by UserNameUnderConstruction (651 posts) - - Show Bio

@___living_tribunal_22__: the power of hercules has nothing to do with gaea
it was hercules own potential to which he became the sky-father hercules.
then the artifacted gathered by cho gave him power to go toe-to-toe with mikaboshi.gaea just foung a way for artifacts power to be inside hercules.thats it

the problems here is oshtur for abstracts and maybe cthton and set may give a fight.gaea is one of the weakest elder god
to be honest i don't know to much about the wild one

#13 Edited by Killemall (18598 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, without plot intervention, Eternity would on his own lolstomp the elder gods.

The gap in power between Abstracts and Elder Gods is huge...

#14 Edited by XiiX (8474 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by XiiX (8474 posts) - - Show Bio

Abstracts with ease.

#16 Posted by jagernutt (2681 posts) - - Show Bio

I have too at end of the day go with the abstracts.

#17 Posted by SithLantern93 (2163 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly, without plot intervention, Eternity would on his own lolstomp the elder gods.

The gap in power between Abstracts and Elder Gods is huge...

This. I remember a time when people thought Chthon was an ''omniversal'' level powerhouse that could beat beings like Spectre, COIE Anti Monitor, Lucifer and Living Tribunal. God those days were good (!)

#18 Posted by Killemall (18598 posts) - - Show Bio

to be honest i don't know to much about the wild one

Wild One is a young, immature Elder God who drives around in a muscle car, capable of warping the world in chaos or perhaps more should he get sufficient time.

He is perhaps the weakest among the bunch and was defeated by sealed by Neptune decades ago when they fought.


This. I remember a time when people thought Chthon was an ''omniversal'' level powerhouse that could beat beings like Spectre, COIE Anti Monitor, Lucifer and Living Tribunal. God those days were good (!)

That has a lot to do with 100 different user name for the same guy. Honestly barring hyperbole, people to struggle to even post 1 feat of Chthon beyond planetary level, thats just how horrible his showings have been thus far.

#19 Posted by UserNameUnderConstruction (651 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by Lord44 (1440 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone of the Abstracts at Full Power can potenatially solo.

#21 Posted by Killemall (18598 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: basically he is a non factor then

Compared to someone like Eternity, you will be hard pressed to find anyone from Elder God who wouldnt be a non factor.

Elder God, even by the most generous of estimates arent anywhere above Galactus level, let alone Eternity, before whom Galactus is said to be nothing more than a mere insect.

#22 Posted by dondave (38007 posts) - - Show Bio

Abstracts stomp

#23 Posted by UserNameUnderConstruction (651 posts) - - Show Bio

@usernameunderconstruction said:

@killemall: basically he is a non factor then

Compared to someone like Eternity, you will be hard pressed to find anyone from Elder God who wouldnt be a non factor.

Elder God, even by the most generous of estimates arent anywhere above Galactus level, let alone Eternity, before whom Galactus is said to be nothing more than a mere insect.

well vishanti are also universal atleast or maybe multiversal.so they may give a fight to eternity
can you please tell me is galactus, mutiversal,universal or on what level.viners confuse me a lot in terms of galactus power

#24 Posted by cosmic_reign (345 posts) - - Show Bio

@usernameunderconstruction:

The Vishanti wouldn't stand a chance vs Eternity.

A hungry Galactus stalemated Agamatto in his own realm...Osthur and Hoggoth only intervened because the battle was affecting their realm as well thus affecting them. (considering they are their own realm)

Galactus has different power levels. Mostly, when fighting heroes, G is usually hungry and needing nurishment allowing teams to fend him off. A normal/fed G may rank high within the universal abstracts.

However, IMO, a FULLY fed Galactus would be beyond universal status. (arguably, considering G is almost never fully fed).

#25 Edited by UserNameUnderConstruction (651 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmic_reign: alright
so at best galactus without UN would be universal right?

#26 Posted by Kingant27 (5456 posts) - - Show Bio

Elders Gods are miles below the Abstracts, one Abstract is enough to beat them.

Abstracts> High Celestials> Low Celestials>Cosmic Cubes>Elder Gods>Sky-father etc.

#27 Posted by Killemall (18598 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on talk and hyperbole i guess.. based on feat they are featless.

Unlikely.

Dr. Strange upon seeing Eternity power came to a shocking realization of how big a power difference between every other mage and Eternity exists.

Then we have Eternity being more powerful to Lord Order and Master Chaos, 2 very personification of magic itself. Mystic user, specially featless ones, are hardly going to be more powerful than the very personification of magic themselves no?

And a hungry starving Galactus held his own against a member of Vishanti, in their very realm.

can you please tell me is galactus, mutiversal,universal or on what level.viners confuse me a lot in terms of galactus power

Universal.

Theoritical power leve is one thing, but based on consistent potrayal of on panel feat, universal.

He however, used to have, Ultimate Nullifier whose power is arguably multiversal.

#28 Posted by UserNameUnderConstruction (651 posts) - - Show Bio