Elder Gods vs Abstracts

i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 

• in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
• In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
• In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
• In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
• the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them

• Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto

i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

 You do think they can triump a group of beings that one of them was able to give Hercules enough power to compete against Mikaboshi?

@___Living_Tribunal_22__ said:

i see oblivion in here. the abstracts win. 

 You do think they can triump a group of beings that one of them was able to give Hercules enough power to compete against Mikaboshi?

She did not give him anything but she did teach him how to use his own power

                    there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 

• in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
• In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
• In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
• In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
• the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them

but 

 

• Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto

in all honesty, i think the Abstracts take the win.. but surely, it would be an interesting battle.. 

                   

               

there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 

• in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
• In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
• In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
• In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
• the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them

but 
 

• Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto

in all honesty, i think the Abstracts take the win.. but surely, it would be an interesting battle.. 

 

But: 
 
Mikaboshi was able to banish Death from the Realm of Unliving, and CW Herc was powerful enough to stalemate Mikaboshi. And as you said in your last post, that power comes from Gaea.

@lord_oraculous016 said:

                    there are many factors to consider in this fight.. simply because each character has feats which can be at-least comparable to those of the other group.. generally, we can say that Abstracts win simply because of their status and the power they theoretically possess..  
 

• in Chaos War, Eternity, the embodiment of all that exist said that he cannot fight the Chaos King simply he is also him.. and Gaea, the source of everything the Gods can do and have done managed to up-grade Hercules in a level to fight him and the power to re-create everything
• In Mighty Avengers, Eternity claimed that Chthon's mere presence in Earth Dimension was likened to a "cancer" that was slowly killing him
• In Secret Avengers, the Watchers and their creations, the Archons claimed that the advent of Set would cause the destruction of the universe itself.
• In Dracula Lives, Death, in the guise of Carlos Muerte sought to destroy Dracula for Death believes that the Curse of the Vampire was cheating death itself, and the Curse of the Vampire is created by Chthon
• the Vishanti is said to be capable to destroying the universe by simply the release of macro-cosmic energy from the struggle with Slorioth, and Oshtur is said to be the most powerful among them

but 

 

• Death, destroyed the Cancerverse and defeated the Many Angled-Ones who's one member is the ancient Demon Shuma-Gorath, while Shuma-Gorath stalemated the combined efforts of Oshtur, Hoggoth and Agamotto

in all honesty, i think the Abstracts take the win.. but surely, it would be an interesting battle.. 

                   

               

The onl problem is that it was never stated that Shuma-Gorath stealmated Vishanti. It was just stated that Vishanti fought Shuma Gorath long time ago and that threat which Shuman Gorath presented at time whne Strange wanted their help is of no concern of Vishanti. 
 
As of recent Elder Gods seem to be far more powerful than abstracts.

@thefallenone:

u can't be serious??? An average Galactus may solo. (which is no where near his teammates level)

@cosmic_reign: Is Galactus really even an abstract?

@___living_tribunal_22__: the power of hercules has nothing to do with gaea
it was hercules own potential to which he became the sky-father hercules.
then the artifacted gathered by cho gave him power to go toe-to-toe with mikaboshi.gaea just foung a way for artifacts power to be inside hercules.thats it

the problems here is oshtur for abstracts and maybe cthton and set may give a fight.gaea is one of the weakest elder god
to be honest i don't know to much about the wild one

Honestly, without plot intervention, Eternity would on his own lolstomp the elder gods.

The gap in power between Abstracts and Elder Gods is huge...

@jagernutt: He's like a "semi-abstract".

Abstracts with ease.

I have too at end of the day go with the abstracts.

This. I remember a time when people thought Chthon was an ''omniversal'' level powerhouse that could beat beings like Spectre, COIE Anti Monitor, Lucifer and Living Tribunal. God those days were good (!)

Wild One is a young, immature Elder God who drives around in a muscle car, capable of warping the world in chaos or perhaps more should he get sufficient time.

He is perhaps the weakest among the bunch and was defeated by sealed by Neptune decades ago when they fought.

That has a lot to do with 100 different user name for the same guy. Honestly barring hyperbole, people to struggle to even post 1 feat of Chthon beyond planetary level, thats just how horrible his showings have been thus far.

@killemall: basically he is a non factor then

Everyone of the Abstracts at Full Power can potenatially solo.

Compared to someone like Eternity, you will be hard pressed to find anyone from Elder God who wouldnt be a non factor.

Elder God, even by the most generous of estimates arent anywhere above Galactus level, let alone Eternity, before whom Galactus is said to be nothing more than a mere insect.

Abstracts stomp

well vishanti are also universal atleast or maybe multiversal.so they may give a fight to eternity
can you please tell me is galactus, mutiversal,universal or on what level.viners confuse me a lot in terms of galactus power

@usernameunderconstruction:

The Vishanti wouldn't stand a chance vs Eternity.

A hungry Galactus stalemated Agamatto in his own realm...Osthur and Hoggoth only intervened because the battle was affecting their realm as well thus affecting them. (considering they are their own realm)

Galactus has different power levels. Mostly, when fighting heroes, G is usually hungry and needing nurishment allowing teams to fend him off. A normal/fed G may rank high within the universal abstracts.

However, IMO, a FULLY fed Galactus would be beyond universal status. (arguably, considering G is almost never fully fed).

@cosmic_reign: alright
so at best galactus without UN would be universal right?

Elders Gods are miles below the Abstracts, one Abstract is enough to beat them.

Abstracts> High Celestials> Low Celestials>Cosmic Cubes>Elder Gods>Sky-father etc.

Based on talk and hyperbole i guess.. based on feat they are featless.

Unlikely.

Dr. Strange upon seeing Eternity power came to a shocking realization of how big a power difference between every other mage and Eternity exists.

Then we have Eternity being more powerful to Lord Order and Master Chaos, 2 very personification of magic itself. Mystic user, specially featless ones, are hardly going to be more powerful than the very personification of magic themselves no?

And a hungry starving Galactus held his own against a member of Vishanti, in their very realm.

Universal.

Theoritical power leve is one thing, but based on consistent potrayal of on panel feat, universal.

He however, used to have, Ultimate Nullifier whose power is arguably multiversal.

@killemall: thanks for clearing that doubt