EGD is as close to omnipotent as you can get without strictly being omnipotent. The actually TOAA could beat him, but not kill him. That's just how powerful EGD is and it would still wreck the omniverse in the process.
@generator2000: The entire Court of Azathoth. That is to say, every cosmic entity and force to ever come out of the works of HP Lovecraft and associates. Only in a more Japanese/Anime style. Meaning more nudity, more tentacles, and a helluva lot more context of power.
Still Pre-Recton Beyonder. The very fundamental part about his character was being invincible, omnipotent. He has not and can not be defeated. Anything and everything is his imagination.
@princearagorn1: Current Beyonder is a pushover. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. And the LT he beat was undefined. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal.
@princearagorn1: Current Beyonder is a pushover. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. And the LT he beat was undefined. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal.
Still Pre-Recton Beyonder. The very fundamental part about his character was being invincible, omnipotent. He has not and can not be defeated. Anything and everything is his imagination.
both are character statements. About themselves. Not feats.
@princearagorn1: Current Beyonder is a pushover. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. And the LT he beat was undefined. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal.
@princearagorn1: Current Beyonder is a pushover. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. And the LT he beat was undefined. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal.
Actually, it was set. All of the following scans stating LT's power and authority are either during Secret Wars or before. He seems just as pretty damn powerful as he is now.
"And there be more than one universe and 'tis said that a being, called the Living Tribunal—the final judge—hath the power to enforce his will 'pon any cosmos he doth judge! And 'tis said his power is supreme in all the Multiverse. Even I, son of one of the mightiest of all gods, find it impossible to conceive of such levels of power!"
Gallery
"My responsibility extends far beyond this one universe. I am the supreme judiciary for the entire continuum of universes -- the multiverse itself." "Since the prime divergence, it has been my function to uphold laws of the multiverse in order to safeguard the sanctity of life throughout the continuum of universes."
Not to mention, Pre-Recton Beyonder was already the TOAA of his own multiverse when he arrived to Marvel. The only reason he isn't as powerful as the current TOAA is because the current TOAA established is the writer themselves within the actual comic. Meaning that no matter how powerful a fictional character you are like PR-Beyonder, the writer will always infinitely surpass you. Aside from characters who are the writers in the comics (TOAA/Fulcrum) I'd honestly say Pre-Recton Beyonder is the strongest purely fictional character in the history of Marvel.
@princearagorn1 While they are character statements, they've been stated multiple times by:
The Beyonder himself
Other characters aside from the Beyonder
The Narrator
Statements made by the writers
This isn't a one time thing.
Pre-Recton Beyonder, written by Jim Shooter, was never defeated, which backs up his statements. At the time, there was no conceivable being able to match him. He was meant to be who he was meant to be. He conquered everything with a thought, had the power to erase the multiverse with a thought. The multiversal and cosmic abstracts dared not interfere with what the Beyonder wanted to do. He was the closest thing to TOAA before the actual establishment of TOAA later on.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jim Shooter was fired from Marvel because of how ridiculously OP the Beyonder was.
That is simply what it meant to be the Classic Beyonder; limitless, unstoppable, invincible.
@themagicstik: He didn't know how a toilet worked. He wasn't TOAA. The writers just had no idea what to do with him.
The Beyonder was always limiting himself, that's like basically what every appearence of Beyonder was about, he didn't like being omnipotent and unstoppable and he was trying to figure out what he wanted.
@princearagorn1: Current Beyonder is a pushover. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. And the LT he beat was undefined. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal.
PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was a thing...
do post the scan saying that.
Why the hell would there be a scan that said that? Like seriously? It's an editorial thing not an on panel thing...
"The One Above All" AFAIK wasn't mentioned untill the 90's, before that there was just god and Beyonder was that god.
Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA.
@themagicstik: He didn't know how a toilet worked. He wasn't TOAA. The writers just had no idea what to do with him.
The Beyonder was always limiting himself, that's like basically what every appearence of Beyonder was about, he didn't like being omnipotent and unstoppable and he was trying to figure out what he wanted.
@princearagorn1: Current Beyonder is a pushover. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. And the LT he beat was undefined. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal.
PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was a thing...
do post the scan saying that.
Why the hell would there be a scan that said that? Like seriously? It's an editorial thing not an on panel thing...
"The One Above All" AFAIK wasn't mentioned untill the 90's, before that there was just god and Beyonder was that god.
Beyonder was later retconned apparently because Tom DeFalco didn't like Jim Shooter and in 1990 and everything that was attributed to god after that was TOAA.
It actually turns out that the Beyonder rectonned himself the whole time (not the writers) because he simply could.
But the writers did describe the Pre-Recton Beyonder as basically TOAA in interviews/writer statements. He was TOAA of his own multiverse, no doubt, but he was the closest thing IMO in Marvel to TOAA.
@princearagorn1 While they are character statements, they've been stated multiple times by:
The Beyonder himself
Other characters aside from the Beyonder
The Narrator
Statements made by the writers
This isn't a one time thing.
Pre-Recton Beyonder, written by Jim Shooter, was never defeated, which backs up his statements. At the time, there was no conceivable being able to match him. He was meant to be who he was meant to be. He conquered everything with a thought, had the power to erase the multiverse with a thought. The multiversal and cosmic abstracts dared not interfere with what the Beyonder wanted to do. He was the closest thing to TOAA before the actual establishment of TOAA later on.
statement, backed by more statements. Yes, it's ok to say that he beats anyone who's barely on his level because of those statements, but that doesn't mean he beats anyone who already has feats casually on multiversal level.
You can say he is strong enough to erase the multiverse, but saying he cannot be hurt regardless of how powerful the opposite party is because he said so is unbacked by feats on that level. Ultimately, feats > statements.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jim Shooter was fired from Marvel because of how ridiculously OP the Beyonder was.
...really not relevant. If a writer can't handle OP character, he should be fired.
That is simply what it meant to be the Classic Beyonder; limitless, unstoppable, invincible.
To characters that existed in marvel at that time. Doesn't translate to other verses, or characters that appeared later
Why the hell would there be a scan that said that? Like seriously? It's an editorial thing not an on panel thing...
without the scans, that's pretty much an opinion.
You know, the funny part is, the scans, if they existed, will mean that toaa cannot beat beyonder either, making him not omnipotent - meaning it's a term for simply the creator and controller of a multiverse. In that case, lots of companies have beings on that level as well.
You know, the funny part is, the scans, if they existed, will mean that toaa cannot beat beyonder either, making him not omnipotent - meaning it's a term for simply the creator and controller of a multiverse. In that case, lots of companies have beings on that level as well.
Buddy, retcons don't typically occur on panel... They happen in the editorial office at Marvel, there are no scans, just information many people know.
Beyonder was the God he was the One Above All, nobody not even the TLT messed with him. As soon as he was depowered TOAA as a concept was created and he replaced the Beyonder in canon, that's end of story.
You know, the funny part is, the scans, if they existed, will mean that toaa cannot beat beyonder either, making him not omnipotent - meaning it's a term for simply the creator and controller of a multiverse. In that case, lots of companies have beings on that level as well.
Buddy, retcons don't typically occur on panel... They happen in the editorial office at Marvel, there are no scans, just information many people know.
...I know.
Beyonder was the God he was the One Above All, nobody not even the TLT messed with him. As soon as he was depowered TOAA as a concept was created and he replaced the Beyonder in canon, that's end of story.
Yes, because LT didn't fight him he's equal to toaa.
Toaa, a concept far different than beyonder, interpretation of the writer. Saying that beyonder was toaa before toaa appeared is your opinion.
@princearagorn1 Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no doubt that beings like TOAA or Grant Morrison would defeat Pre-Recton Beyonder.
To characters that existed in marvel at that time.
After the rectons, what other characters have been conceived (aside from the writers TOAA/Fulcrum, of course) in Marvel that could defeat someone who was millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse and everything within it combined?
LT, who has multiversal feats as well was stated to be a microbe to the Beyonder. Quite a bit of LT's power/authority are statements from narrator's, characters, and LT himself, but that doesn't IMO make it any less valid. Based off of his feats there is no reason to doubt so. Same goes for the Beyonder.
Beyonder have godlike feats,he actually REWRITER himself,Including origin,powerlevels,etc
Beyonder rewriter sw2+1 into sw3,go to read sw3,tell me what happen,beyonder not only rewriter himself,he did it with MM,who become half of cosmic cube too
@princearagorn1: Writers statements are true Beyondee was stated by many marvel staff to be TOAA before TOAA was a mere concept. LT was what described as the big bully? The judge? Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to destroy molecule man MULTIVERSAL bubble and laughed at it! He even tanked a blast that can blast a billion dimensions......thats what Multiversal++?
"So omnipotent is he--but he senses that his new neighbors are the type who take life at a slow and easy pace,so he takes his time,he intends to be here for a long while and he wants to fit it"
"He could erase the universe with a thought"
"Yet he limits himself"
"I am limiting them,trying to keep them in scale with your fascinating world"
"I'd never limited my powers..I'd never have guessed how difficult something primitive as combat can be"
LT is fear to beyonder:
And have more scan,Beyonder is most powerful being on the marvel,no matter is feats or panel
@powerwoman: I have seen all of these scans,and remember them like yesterday,thanks for posting them!It remindes me just how powerful the beyonder ,and owie was to actuallly try to stand up to him,those where the days my friends.i can only hope the next secret wars is half as good as the original!
@powerwoman: I have seen all of these scans,and remember them like yesterday,thanks for posting them!It remindes me just how powerful the beyonder ,and owie was to actuallly try to stand up to him,those where the days my friends.i can only hope the next secret wars is half as good as the original!
@powerwoman: No disrecpect,I love the scans that you already posted,but I am old school(turned 47 on halloween)and would not post any scans,it is beyond me.I`m old school).But the ones you posted remind me of my youth!Thank you so much. I could find these issues but it may take days,I have a lot of comic books,thanks a lot.
it doesn't matter how powerful EGD is, his power is still part of the story. Beyonder's power is meta-story, he retconned Marvel 2 times. he should win this hands down
it doesn't matter how powerful EGD is, his power is still part of the story. Beyonder's power is meta-story, he retconned Marvel 2 times. he should win this hands down
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