Edward Cullen vs Team of 5 Marvel Street-Levelers

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#1 Edited by AngryHulks (1839 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

Edward Cullen vs Team of 5 Marvel Street-Levelers

I once pin this team against Wesker, but pinning against Edward Cullen might be more interesting

Marvel Rosters:

Black Panther, Iron Fist, Deadpool, Daredevil, Shang-Chi

All characters were given standard equipment plus some extra specification below

Black Panther: Vibranium Suit + Energy Dagger + Heart Shaped Herb

Iron Fist: Chi allowed

Deadpool: Adamantium Katana

Daredevil: Adamantium-laced equipment + Bladed Weapons

Shang-Chi: Adamantium-laced equipment

Rules:

- Wins by death or being incapacitated for over 3 hours

- No BFR

- Moral off

- Blood lust mode on

- Contestants have no knowledge of each other

- 5 against 1 (this is not gauntlet battle)

I know Deadpool and Iron Fist's status as street-levelers is debatable, but just assume they are.

Remember that Edward Cullen has telepathy, super strength, diamond-hard tissues, one-century of life experiences, and super speed (might have more, but that's all I know).

Fight took place in Dojo (Image Below)

Battle Setup: At start, Edward stood in the middle, the Marvel team enter the Dojo together in star-shaped formation, count down to 5 and the fight begins, the rest is free-for-all.

Have fun -

Battle Setting
VS

EDIT:

1. Deadpool before loosing his power

#2 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (1914 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

The only threat is Rand. And to be honest there is no indication that he'd kill Edward. They have yet to be knocked unconcious (twilight vamps) And can only be killed by being ripped apart. But maybe Danny's chi will shatter the Vamp like glass with a powerful enough punch.

#3 Posted by Lady_Liberty (4738 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

Sparkle boy wins.

#4 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

Hmmm.... Edward will not be able to actually hurt Black Panther in Vibranium's suit. Iron Fist is a bullet timer, he could use his Chi to augment his strength and durability, and one charged punch will obliterate Edward if he could tag him at any moment. Deadpool's near-immunity to telepathy, weaker one like Edward's may not be capable of anticipating his move, his healing factor and improvisational fighting style might gives him a huge edge. Daredevil may not be able to tag Edward, but he could shatter him with OP's given weapon if he caught him. Shang-Chi is also a bullet timer, he have limited telepathic resistance and he might be capable of landing hit on Edward with other's assistance.

#5 Posted by JediWaffles (718 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

#6 Posted by AweSam (3846 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

Hardly, they get their asses kicked by wolves. Deadpool slices his head off.

#7 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

He is slower than bullet, 3 or 4 out of 5 people here are bullet-timer, and 2 out of 5 people have some telepathic resistance. Iron Fist, even off-chi is already a bullet timer; using chi, he will be a huge factor.

#8 Posted by Strider92 (11247 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

The team can take this.

For a Spider-man Vs Cullen thread a few months back I actually did some research on the vamps and apart from their speed nothing else is all that impressive. While Twilight vamps durability to blunt damage is pretty high one Vamp was still incapacitated by another vamp when it was plastered into a stone floor. Everyone here has taken blows from people stronger than a Twilight vamp (who are 8 tonners at best. I'm being kind here as I think they are more along the 5 ton range) without adimantium protection.

TW vamps durability to penetrative damage is also very low as werewolves can bite through their skin. I believe one of the wolves even commented that vamps were stronger than them that's why it took multiple wolves to pin the vamp so they could get a good bite in. The point is its teeth could penetrate even thought it was weaker than a vamp so I don't see why other better bladed equipment should have trouble.

Everyone here is perfectly capable of decapitating the vamp due to their adimantium equipment or incapacitating him (as i'm pretty sure Iron Fists chi hits harder than a stone floor). The only real problem they have is the vamp's speed. The biggest threat here is Deadpool because with morals off he won't be playing the fool and will be going in for the kill. Combine that with his healing factor and the rest of the group Wade could quite easily distract the vamp long enough for one of the others to take the vamp to pieces.

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#9 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (15705 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio
@AweSam said:

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

Hardly, they get their asses kicked by wolves. Deadpool slices his head off.

Shapeshifter that are far faster than humans and Vampires, not just wolves 
#10 Posted by JediWaffles (718 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@AweSam said:

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

Hardly, they get their asses kicked by wolves. Deadpool slices his head off.

Eh well, wasn't one to watch the movies so i wouldn't really know other than hearsay.

@Daddy_Cool_Dude said:

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

He is slower than bullet, 3 or 4 out of 5 people here are bullet-timer, and 2 out of 5 people have some telepathic resistance. Iron Fist, even off-chi is already a bullet timer; using chi, he will be a huge factor.

How sure are you that he is slower than a bullet? And dodging a bullet is one thing, but dodging a punch going at around that speed from a vampire who can very well react to any reflexes is another.

#11 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

@Daddy_Cool_Dude said:

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

He is slower than bullet, 3 or 4 out of 5 people here are bullet-timer, and 2 out of 5 people have some telepathic resistance. Iron Fist, even off-chi is already a bullet timer; using chi, he will be a huge factor.

How sure are you that he is slower than a bullet? And dodging a bullet is one thing, but dodging a punch going at around that speed from a vampire who can very well react to any reflexes is another.

I watched a movie, he did not created a sonic boom while running, at most generous estimate he will be only as fast as handgun bullet. I have seen Iron Fist (and possibly some others people here) dodging machine gun fire. Full-metal jacket bullets are usually 2-3 times faster than a sound, and some of those guys have dodge it at point-blank. Even if Edward is a bit faster than a bullet, it'll not guaranteed total lose to a team (he need to be as quick as Quicksilver to give those guys a real trouble). Deadpool and maybe some others does possess telepathic resistance, and Deadpool's fighting skills are improvisational, he'll give Edward lots of trouble. Not to mention his mind will be distracted by other 4 if he were busy fighting 1.

#12 Posted by JediWaffles (718 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@Daddy_Cool_Dude said:

@JediWaffles said:

@Daddy_Cool_Dude said:

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

He is slower than bullet, 3 or 4 out of 5 people here are bullet-timer, and 2 out of 5 people have some telepathic resistance. Iron Fist, even off-chi is already a bullet timer; using chi, he will be a huge factor.

How sure are you that he is slower than a bullet? And dodging a bullet is one thing, but dodging a punch going at around that speed from a vampire who can very well react to any reflexes is another.

I watched a movie, he did not created a sonic boom while running, at most generous estimate he will be only as fast as handgun bullet. I have seen Iron Fist (and possibly some others people here) dodging machine gun fire. Full-metal jacket bullets are usually 2-3 times faster than a sound, and some of those guys have dodge it at point-blank. Even if Edward is a bit faster than a bullet, it'll not guaranteed total lose to a team (he need to be as quick as Quicksilver to give those guys a real trouble). Deadpool and maybe some others does possess telepathic resistance, and Deadpool's fighting skills are improvisational, he'll give Edward lots of trouble. Not to mention his mind will be distracted by other 4 if he were busy fighting 1.

Not really saying he could win here, seeing as i'm not too sure on Cullen, just pointing out that any of the team will have a hard time dodging shots from him, if he moves that fast.

#13 Edited by clemj (743 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

black panther will survive lonng enough to kick the crap outta the vampire 
deadpool will find a way to stay with at least an arm to kill 
rand will kick and kick and KICK 
daredevil has his sixth sense 
sang -chi .... R.I.P

#14 Edited by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@clemj:

sang -chi .... R.I.P

The Chinese guy is also no joke, he has intercept a blow from superhuman before. Notice the shock wave, this indicates the punch was a serious punch.

#15 Posted by Strider92 (11247 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@Daddy_Cool_Dude said:

@clemj:

sang -chi .... R.I.P

The Chinese guy is also no joke, he has intercept a blow from superhuman before. Notice the shock wave, this indicates the punch was a serious punch.

Not to mention a very accomplished bullet dodger:

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#16 Posted by The_Thunderer (2883 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@JediWaffles said:

Don't Twilight vamps have incredible speed feats? I'm not sure anyone here has the reaction time to keep up, or even put down Edward. I have to go for Cullen here, despite how gay he is.

#17 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

Edward may be faster, but that's not enough.

#18 Posted by DarkKnightDetective (6700 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

marvel wins but side note does deadpool have healing factor?

#19 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

Notice these are just Shang-Chi's feat, they're still tons of feat scans of the other 4.

1. Kick down a metal prison door in one kick
2. Knock down radio tower in one kick
3. Catching bullet with his hand
#20 Posted by AngryHulks (1839 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

marvel wins but side note does deadpool have healing factor?

I'll make it yes. Healing factor will always be his best-known power.

#21 Edited by Strider92 (11247 posts) - 11 months, 5 days ago - Show Bio

@DarkKnightDetective said:

marvel wins but side note does deadpool have healing factor?

Currently in the comics he doesn't have his healing anymore but he doesn't have cancer or an ugly mug in exchange lol:

But i'm guessing the op wanted to use DP before losing his healing factor.

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#22 Posted by Fresh Prince (4916 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Don't know how Shang Chi or Daredevil would do, but IF, DP and BP could all solo.

#23 Posted by menaceforever (3693 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

After Edward gets beaten into a pulp Deadpool stands over him and says TEAM JACOB BITCH!

#24 Edited by BMEZY (1156 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Twilight Vampires are always stacked against the odds by default (everyone hates them, especially Edward so expect a lot of bias to be going on)..you'll probably find one or two people two stick up for them (regardless of the fact that they win or lose). I take Edward for the majority..His strength and speed is too much (traveling at blur speed). With him being bloodlusted he's going to literally rip through these men. They are so strong that while arm wrestling it was noted that their one arm had the force of a "cement truck moving downhill at over 60 miles per hour" when barely trying. I see the suit of armor one only standing a possible chance.

#25 Posted by AweSam (3846 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@BMEZY said:

@AweSam: vampires were always superior to the werewolves...in the books and the movies.

Stephenie Meyer logic = worse than comic logic.

#26 Posted by Aero_gt (828 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

CULLEN BEING FASTER, STRONGER, AND ABLE TO READALL THEIR MINDS SHOULDBGIVE HIM THE WIN. THESE GUYS MAY BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO DODGE ONE STRIKE, BUT THEY CAN'T OUT REACT HIM. WHOVCAN DODGE ONE HUNDRED OR SO PUNCHES AT BLITZ SPEED?

#27 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Aero_gt said:

CULLEN BEING FASTER, STRONGER, AND ABLE TO READALL THEIR MINDS SHOULDBGIVE HIM THE WIN. THESE GUYS MAY BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO DODGE ONE STRIKE, BUT THEY CAN'T OUT REACT HIM. WHOVCAN DODGE ONE HUNDRED OR SO PUNCHES AT BLITZ SPEED?

I don't think he is that fast, especially when he have to distribute it into 5 people at once.

#28 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@BMEZY said:

Twilight Vampires are always stacked against the odds by default (everyone hates them, especially Edward so expect a lot of bias to be going on)..you'll probably find one or two people two stick up for them (regardless of the fact that they win or lose). I take Edward for the majority..His strength and speed is too much (traveling at blur speed). With him being bloodlusted he's going to literally rip through these men. They are so strong that while arm wrestling it was noted that their one arm had the force of a "cement truck moving downhill at over 60 miles per hour" when barely trying. I see the suit of armor one only standing a possible chance.

Many people I debated with in the past about Twilight vs Anyone speculate that most of the quote made in the book was a hyperbole (like bolded phrase). Well, I realize they were quite true after all, as in the film or even in the book, the feat show that they're no more than 10 tons at the highest estimate.

#29 Posted by BringnIt (3680 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Team should win.

#30 Edited by Jezer (2586 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

TW vamps durability to penetrative damage is also very low as werewolves can bite through their skin. I believe one of the wolves even commented that vamps were stronger than them that's why it took multiple wolves to pin the vamp so they could get a good bite in. The point is its teeth could penetrate even thought it was weaker than a vamp so I don't see why other better bladed equipment should have trouble.

If that werewolf said that vampires were stronger than it, then it must have meant physically stronger. As in, can bench more, leg press more. More muscular strength. So, it probably wasn't comparing vampire strength to the strength of their teeth.

Regardless, wolves probably have a good bit of strength themselves. So you can't really argue that other bladed weapons can penetrate a vampire, if the user doesn't have the strength of a wolf bite and if the weapon isn't necessarily as sharp/dense as a wolf's teeth.

#31 Posted by BMEZY (1156 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Daddy_Cool_Dude: He has displayed wonderful reflexes and has the speed and mindpower to outmaneaver them

#32 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Anyone can help me with this? Can Iron Fist capable of increasing his durability with Chi?

#33 Posted by Strider92 (11247 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Jezer said:

@Strider92 said:

TW vamps durability to penetrative damage is also very low as werewolves can bite through their skin. I believe one of the wolves even commented that vamps were stronger than them that's why it took multiple wolves to pin the vamp so they could get a good bite in. The point is its teeth could penetrate even thought it was weaker than a vamp so I don't see why other better bladed equipment should have trouble.

If that werewolf said that vampires were stronger than it, then it must have meant physically stronger. As in, can bench more, leg press more. More muscular strength. So, it probably wasn't comparing vampire strength to the strength of their teeth.

Regardless, wolves probably have a good bit of strength themselves. So you can't really argue that other bladed weapons can penetrate a vampire, if the user doesn't have the strength of a wolf bite and if the weapon isn't necessarily as sharp/dense as a wolf's teeth.

Thats what I meant about the strength thing. It would mean that wolves are probably around the 2 ton level compared to the vamps 5-6tonner(neither of these strength levels are very uncommon in streetlevelers) but if they could penetrate a vamps skin with teeth why couldn't some like Deadpool, Iron Fist or Shang Chi penetrate? All of these characters have penetrated characters with better durability than that.

Deadpool for example has made Hulk bleed during his encounters. Granted that doesn't really do much as Hulk heals but Hulks durability is better than any vamp. So why shouldn't he fair better against something with less durability and an adimantium katana?

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#34 Posted by Spartan101 (1530 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Marvel stomps really hard.

#35 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Jezer said:

@Strider92 said:

TW vamps durability to penetrative damage is also very low as werewolves can bite through their skin. I believe one of the wolves even commented that vamps were stronger than them that's why it took multiple wolves to pin the vamp so they could get a good bite in. The point is its teeth could penetrate even thought it was weaker than a vamp so I don't see why other better bladed equipment should have trouble.

If that werewolf said that vampires were stronger than it, then it must have meant physically stronger. As in, can bench more, leg press more. More muscular strength. So, it probably wasn't comparing vampire strength to the strength of their teeth.

Regardless, wolves probably have a good bit of strength themselves. So you can't really argue that other bladed weapons can penetrate a vampire, if the user doesn't have the strength of a wolf bite and if the weapon isn't necessarily as sharp/dense as a wolf's teeth.

Thats what I meant about the strength thing. It would mean that wolves are probably around the 2 ton level compared to the vamps 5-6tonner(neither of these strength levels are very uncommon in streetlevelers) but if they could penetrate a vamps skin with teeth why couldn't some like Deadpool, Iron Fist or Shang Chi penetrate? All of these characters have penetrated characters with better durability than that.

Deadpool for example has made Hulk bleed during his encounters. Granted that doesn't really do much as Hulk heals but Hulks durability is better than any vamp. So why shouldn't he fair better against something with less durability and an adimantium katana?

I couldn't agree more. Though 4/5 characters here have human's physical stat, they have display inhuman feats throughout. Iron Fist have survived a explosion from a train loaded with explosive with almost no harm; Shang-Chi intercept punch from someone with the strength or par with baseline Hulk without breaking a bone; Daredevil dodge platoon of Red Skull's mech and even tear off an arm from it and use it against them; Black Panther with his suit on take many punch from Namor without injuries.

Most martial artists should be assume to have knowledge of fracture point in addition to pressure point. Twilight Vampires apparently can feel pain, and even if some strike doesn't wounded them, it should disorient them. And yes, OP have give Black Panther a energy dagger which is good, because it should be able to penetrate vampire's skin.

#36 Posted by Bo88gdan (4128 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Marvel team wins this .

#37 Posted by Jezer (2586 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Jezer said:

@Strider92 said:

TW vamps durability to penetrative damage is also very low as werewolves can bite through their skin. I believe one of the wolves even commented that vamps were stronger than them that's why it took multiple wolves to pin the vamp so they could get a good bite in. The point is its teeth could penetrate even thought it was weaker than a vamp so I don't see why other better bladed equipment should have trouble.

If that werewolf said that vampires were stronger than it, then it must have meant physically stronger. As in, can bench more, leg press more. More muscular strength. So, it probably wasn't comparing vampire strength to the strength of their teeth.

Regardless, wolves probably have a good bit of strength themselves. So you can't really argue that other bladed weapons can penetrate a vampire, if the user doesn't have the strength of a wolf bite and if the weapon isn't necessarily as sharp/dense as a wolf's teeth.

Thats what I meant about the strength thing. It would mean that wolves are probably around the 2 ton level compared to the vamps 5-6tonner(neither of these strength levels are very uncommon in streetlevelers) but if they could penetrate a vamps skin with teeth why couldn't some like Deadpool, Iron Fist or Shang Chi penetrate? All of these characters have penetrated characters with better durability than that.

Deadpool for example has made Hulk bleed during his encounters. Granted that doesn't really do much as Hulk heals but Hulks durability is better than any vamp. So why shouldn't he fair better against something with less durability and an adimantium katana?

You're right, they could. If you can show that the Wolve's are only 2 ton and that Deadpool or Iron Fist or Shang Chi are near their established strength or stronger(I wouldnt know lol). Though, I'm not sure you can compare the strength of someone's bite with their lifting strength. And I'm not sure how you'd go about establishing the strength of one's bite...

#38 Posted by AngryHulks (1839 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Jezer said:

@Strider92 said:

@Jezer said:

@Strider92 said:

TW vamps durability to penetrative damage is also very low as werewolves can bite through their skin. I believe one of the wolves even commented that vamps were stronger than them that's why it took multiple wolves to pin the vamp so they could get a good bite in. The point is its teeth could penetrate even thought it was weaker than a vamp so I don't see why other better bladed equipment should have trouble.

If that werewolf said that vampires were stronger than it, then it must have meant physically stronger. As in, can bench more, leg press more. More muscular strength. So, it probably wasn't comparing vampire strength to the strength of their teeth.

Regardless, wolves probably have a good bit of strength themselves. So you can't really argue that other bladed weapons can penetrate a vampire, if the user doesn't have the strength of a wolf bite and if the weapon isn't necessarily as sharp/dense as a wolf's teeth.

Thats what I meant about the strength thing. It would mean that wolves are probably around the 2 ton level compared to the vamps 5-6tonner(neither of these strength levels are very uncommon in streetlevelers) but if they could penetrate a vamps skin with teeth why couldn't some like Deadpool, Iron Fist or Shang Chi penetrate? All of these characters have penetrated characters with better durability than that.

Deadpool for example has made Hulk bleed during his encounters. Granted that doesn't really do much as Hulk heals but Hulks durability is better than any vamp. So why shouldn't he fair better against something with less durability and an adimantium katana?

You're right, they could. If you can show that the Wolve's are only 2 ton and that Deadpool or Iron Fist or Shang Chi are near their established strength or stronger(I wouldnt know lol). Though, I'm not sure you can compare the strength of someone's bite with their lifting strength. And I'm not sure how you'd go about establishing the strength of one's bite...

Charged Iron Fist is next to powerhouse level

He have destroy a robot which even 25-tonner like Luke Cage can't break it

He can generate ground-shattering shock wave, which even 10 tonners won't be able to generate it

#39 Edited by Strider92 (11247 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Jezer said:

You're right, they could. If you can show that the Wolve's are only 2 ton and that Deadpool or Iron Fist or Shang Chi are near their established strength or stronger(I wouldnt know lol). Though, I'm not sure you can compare the strength of someone's bite with their lifting strength. And I'm not sure how you'd go about establishing the strength of one's bite...

Some of the best feats of strength for Vamps are:

Stopping a car with one hand and overpowering multiple wolves and that pretty much it.

I can't concretely prove that Wolves are 2 tonners but i'll give it a go:

Stopping a car is a mid-street level feat which I believe is considered to be anything between the 4-8 ton range and it took 4 wolves to physically restrain a vampire so going off that they are in lower tier streetlevel. anything between 2-4 tons. Calculating bite ratio in dogs uses something PSI (Pressure per square inch which is measured in lbs). A wild grey wolf has a PSI of on average 1500psi (meaning it'll screw us humans up pretty damn easily lol). In the books the wolves are stated not to be werewolves at all but shapeshifters (Werewolves were apparently a lot stronger than the wolf pack shown in the film/books as the leader vampire stated) and simply double the size of your average wolf. That would hold to reason that simply doubling the PSI of your average wolf would give you their PSI so going by that. Twilight wolves have a PSI of roughly 3000lbs (1363Kg) giving them a bite pressure of 1.3 tons thus them being around the 2-4 ton mark isn't really that far off my original estimate.

Meaning that any pressure on par or higher than this will break their durability. Deadpool, IF and most of the others here have hurt people with better durability than that.

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#40 Edited by Jezer (2586 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Jezer said:

You're right, they could. If you can show that the Wolve's are only 2 ton and that Deadpool or Iron Fist or Shang Chi are near their established strength or stronger(I wouldnt know lol). Though, I'm not sure you can compare the strength of someone's bite with their lifting strength. And I'm not sure how you'd go about establishing the strength of one's bite...

Some of the best feats of strength for Vamps are:

Stopping a car with one hand and overpowering multiple wolves and that pretty much it.

I can't concretely prove that Wolves are 2 tonners but i'll give it a go:

Stopping a car is a mid-street level feat which I believe is considered to be anything between the 4-8 ton range and it took 4 wolves to physically restrain a vampire so going off that they are in lower tier streetlevel. anything between 2-4 tons. Calculating bite ratio in dogs uses something PSI (Pressure per square inch which is measured in lbs). A wild grey wolf has a PSI of on average 1500psi (meaning it'll screw us humans up pretty damn easily lol). In the books the wolves are stated not to be werewolves at all but shapeshifters (Werewolves were apparently a lot stronger than the wolf pack shown in the film/books as the leader vampire stated) and simply double the size of your average wolf. That would hold to reason that simply doubling the PSI of your average wolf would give you their PSI so going by that. Twilight wolves have a PSI of roughly 3000lbs (1363Kg) giving them a bite pressure of 1.3 tons thus them being around the 2-4 ton mark isn't really that far off my original estimate.

This was a nice post!

However, you said you believe the wolves were between 2-4 ton. You'd have to calculate how strong real life wolves are, and then use the proportion between that strength and 2-4 tons in order to find how much you should multiple a real life wolves bite strength, in order to find the Twilight wolve's bite strength. It would be like

X(Twilight wolves bite strength)............................1500psi(Real wolf's bite strength)

________________________________.... X......... ___________________________________

2-4 tons(Twilight wolf's regular strength)...............Y(Real wolf's regular strength)

Insert Y(look it up), then solve for X.

#41 Posted by BringnIt (3680 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Isn't the standard "tonnage" calculation based on the overhead press? Going out on a limb and saying wolves don't excel there.

#42 Posted by Uno_Oscuro (743 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Cullen's only real threat is telepathy, and Iron Fist has already beaten someone who could predict his next moves. Cullen gets stomped.

#43 Posted by Daddy_Cool_Dude (283 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Uno_Oscuro said:

Cullen's only real threat is telepathy, and Iron Fist has already beaten someone who could predict his next moves. Cullen gets stomped.

I guess you mean this right?

#44 Posted by BigCimmerian (4345 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Edward is faster than them, but he still looses hard

#45 Posted by Mad8Baller (469 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

Pretty sure Edward is only as fast for like limited periods of time.  Isn't that why he uses a car?
I mean that Alice girl uses a freaking Lambo to catch up to Edward.  If vampires were so fast, she should've just ran while carrying Bella.

#46 Posted by Strider92 (11247 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Jezer said:

This was a nice post!

However, you said you believe the wolves were between 2-4 ton. You'd have to calculate how strong real life wolves are, and then use the proportion between that strength and 2-4 tons in order to find how much you should multiple a real life wolves bite strength, in order to find the Twilight wolve's bite strength. It would be like

X(Twilight wolves bite strength)............................1500psi(Real wolf's bite strength)

________________________________.... X......... ___________________________________

2-4 tons(Twilight wolf's regular strength)...............Y(Real wolf's regular strength)

Insert Y(look it up), then solve for X.

2-4 ton mark was my original guess on how physically strong they were physically but I was being completely hypothetical. That post was simply me attempting to calculate their bite ratio. A wolfs physical strength is generally lower than its PSI because the strongest muscles are in the jaw.

So to find that out i'd need to find the physical strength of your average wolf and double it. I've tried searching the net and can't find an accurate measurement for the physical strength of a wolf. What I did find however is that your average wolf is roughly double the strength of an average man who engages in moderate weight lifting (so around 152lbs a lot of sights say different things so I just went with the middle one). So that's going to be: 142x2= 284(stregnth of your average wolf) 304x2= 568(258Kg).

There is still a problem here though. Although a Twilight wolf should be only 568lbs in strength this can't be right as 4 of them where able to restrain an 8 tonner. so going by that they must at least be 2 tonners each (assuming they where all taking an equal amount of weight from the vamp) to be able to hold it down. So the problem is the Vamp's stats as unless i've missed something the wolf stats should be right.

After going through I don't know how much crap on Twilight sites and books I finally found a reference "They are said to 100x stronger than a human." So that brings us back to the strengh of your average human who engages in weight lifting was roughly 142lbs. 142x100= 14200lbs(64545Kg) or 6.4tons. So vamps are probably about 6 tonners which is 2 tons weaker than i'd originally thought.

Bearing in mind that each wolf has a PSI of 1.3tons and a physical strength of 258kg it is quite feasible that 4 of them could pin 6 tonner using the combined force of their jaws and physical strength.

Another thing we have to remember is this:

The vamp we are using in this fight does not drink human blood! It's stated numerous times that due to this he is not as strong as regular vamps as human blood keeps them in peak condition. Thus his physical stats are going to be lower than your average Vamp.

So in conclusion:

shapeshifter: 258Kg with a 1.3ton PSI

Vampire: 6 tonner

This brings me back to my initial argument:

Deadpool, IF have both been able to penetrate people who have resisted much higher than 1.3tons of pressure(Spider-man, Hulk etc..) so I don't see why they should have trouble with him. This made slightly easier by the fact this vampire does not drink human blood so his stats are less than what could be considered a peak vampire.

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I really wish I could put this kind of time and research into something useful.....lol

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#47 Edited by Jezer (2586 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

@Jezer said:

This was a nice post!

However, you said you believe the wolves were between 2-4 ton. You'd have to calculate how strong real life wolves are, and then use the proportion between that strength and 2-4 tons in order to find how much you should multiple a real life wolves bite strength, in order to find the Twilight wolve's bite strength. It would be like

X(Twilight wolves bite strength)............................1500psi(Real wolf's bite strength)

________________________________.... X......... ___________________________________

2-4 tons(Twilight wolf's regular strength)...............Y(Real wolf's regular strength)

Insert Y(look it up), then solve for X.

2-4 ton mark was my original guess on how physically strong they were physically but I was being completely hypothetical. That post was simply me attempting to calculate their bite ratio. A wolfs physical strength is generally lower than its PSI because the strongest muscles are in the jaw.

So to find that out i'd need to find the physical strength of your average wolf and double it. I've tried searching the net and can't find an accurate measurement for the physical strength of a wolf. What I did find however is that your average wolf is roughly double the strength of an average man who engages in moderate weight lifting (so around 152lbs a lot of sights say different things so I just went with the middle one). So that's going to be: 142x2= 284(stregnth of your average wolf) 304x2= 568(258Kg).

There is still a problem here though. Although a Twilight wolf should be only 568lbs in strength this can't be right as 4 of them where able to restrain an 8 tonner. so going by that they must at least be 2 tonners each (assuming they where all taking an equal amount of weight from the vamp) to be able to hold it down. So the problem is the Vamp's stats as unless i've missed something the wolf stats should be right.

After going through I don't know how much crap on Twilight sites and books I finally found a reference "They are said to 100x stronger than a human." So that brings us back to the strengh of your average human who engages in weight lifting was roughly 142lbs. 142x100= 14200lbs(64545Kg) or 6.4tons. So vamps are probably about 6 tonners which is 2 tons weaker than i'd originally thought.

Bearing in mind that each wolf has a PSI of 1.3tons and a physical strength of 258kg it is quite feasible that 4 of them could pin 6 tonner using the combined force of their jaws and physical strength.

Another thing we have to remember is this:

The vamp we are using in this fight does not drink human blood! It's stated numerous times that due to this he is not as strong as regular vamps as human blood keeps them in peak condition. Thus his physical stats are going to be lower than your average Vamp.

So in conclusion:

shapeshifter: 258Kg with a 1.3ton PSI

Vampire: 6 tonner

This brings me back to my initial argument:

Deadpool, IF have both been able to penetrate people who have resisted much higher than 1.3tons of pressure(Spider-man, Hulk etc..) so I don't see why they should have trouble with him. This made slightly easier by the fact this vampire does not drink human blood so his stats are less than what could be considered a peak vampire.

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I really wish I could put this kind of time and research into something useful.....lol

The main problem I have with your calculation is the assumption that Twilight Wolves are two times stronger than regular wolves. Even assuming they are only two times bigger, that doesn't necessarily mean they're only two times stronger. So, I'm not sure about your calculation of 1.3 ton PSI.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the strength of the average human who engages in bench pressing. Are you saying that's the average bench press weight of someone who works out? It's 142? Where did you get the number from, is what I'm asking.(I'm only 5'8, work out casually and bench 225, but I'm not like giantly buff like the Hulk) I thought it would vary significantly based on height and weight. Assuming that is correct, that's benching strength. How does that apply/proportion to overall strength? Or, when you say *this character* is in *this strength range* is that usually referring to their approximate bench press strength?

Last, even though 4 wolves pinned the vampire down, does that mean that 4 wolves were necessary or required? Let's say I get in a fight, when I'm around buddies, they all may jump in to hold the guy or help me (assuming I need help) but that doesn't mean I couldn't hold him down on my home. I only ask this because

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf52BQ7Lub4

Shows some werewolves pinning down vampires by themselves. Other times it shows vampires overpowering werewolves. Then again, I'm not sure whether you're using the Twilight books or movies. But I have to question whether 4 vamp wolves are actually necessary for holding a vamp down or if in that instance they were just all jumping in to help a buddy. What was the situation like?

I do love the amount of research and effort you put into your post though lol!

#48 Posted by Strider92 (11247 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Jezer said:

The main problem I have with your calculation is the assumption that Twilight Wolves are two times stronger than regular wolves. Even assuming they are only two times bigger, that doesn't necessarily mean they're only two times stronger. So, I'm not sure about your calculation of 1.3 ton PSI.

It is perfectly possible they are stronger but have they ever shown anything to prove it?

@Jezer said:

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the strength of the average human who engages in bench pressing. Are you saying that's the average bench press weight of someone who works out? It's 142? Where did you get the number from, is what I'm asking.(I'm only 5'8, work out casually and bench 225, but I'm not like giantly buff like the Hulk) I thought it would vary significantly based on height and weight.

No idea I just googled average human strength and that's what it spat out lol.

@Jezer said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf52BQ7Lub4

Shows some werewolves pinning down vampires by themselves. Other times it shows vampires overpowering werewolves. Then again, I'm not sure whether you're using the Twilight books or movies. But I have to question whether 4 vamp wolves are actually necessary for holding a vamp down or if in that instance they were just all jumping in to help a buddy. What was the situation like?

To be honest i've no idea. I've never read the book and I saw one or two of the films (against my will) so i'm no expert at all i'm simply using everything I can find out about them on then net lol. I'll do some more research and come back.

@Jezer said:

I do love the amount of research and effort you put into your post though lol!

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#49 Posted by BMEZY (1156 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Mad8Baller: uh no...vampires in twilight don't get tired and they run at blur speeds (faster than bella can even process, even in slow motion). Bella actually brought this up before, and Edward told her that driving is much more conventional..les conspicous.there's no limited to how long they run. Where did you get that Idea from?

#50 Posted by BMEZY (1156 posts) - 11 months, 4 days ago - Show Bio

@Strider92: maybe reading the books will help, if your providing a case for or against them...quotes help too. The movies isn't enough to go by.

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