@Laurcus said:
I say Balrog wins just because he's basically a lesser god.
The problem with Lord of The Rings characters is that their powers are all very abstract. Tolkien was basically as vague as possible, almost to the point of many of his characters being featless. As a matter of fact, no one even really knows what a Balrog looks like. The one from the movies is just Peter Jackson's interpretation of what a Balrog looks like. A huge debate still rages today on if Balrogs have wings or not.
No one can even really agree on what kind of powers they have or how they fight, beyond the fact that they have giant weapons. The Ringwraiths are very similar to this as well. Aside from the Black Breath, we don't have any details about their powers. We know nothing of the Witch King's sorcery, which was supposedly why he was so feared. We only have a little bit of knowledge of their invisibility power that they gain when they remove their armor.
Note that the Balrog is a Maia, the same species as Gandalf and Saruman. With the way the original Ainur created the world, for all we know the Balrog is a reality warper to some extent. It's basically the biggest lack of information of all time.
Seriously? Balrogs are reality warping lesser gods now? You blatently have very little knowledge of LoTR if you believe this to be the case.
@Laurcus said:
@lordraiden said:
@Laurcus said:
@lordraiden said:
You mean Gothmog?? He annihilates Dubledore!!
I think he means Durin's Bane.
Oh. That's not Morgoth's Balrog, who is Gothmog, which Durin's Bane pales incomparison to, from what i've read.
I'm aware. But most people aren't, because most people have only seen the movies. And in the movies Gandalf calls Durin's Bane the Balrog of Morgoth, because Peter Jackson possesses the reading comprehension of an average forum user.
All of the balrogs qualify as balrogs of Morgoth. He was the one that corrupted all of them in the first place.
@lordraiden said:
I think that what people need to be aware of is that Gandalf is a Mair, a higher being brought to earth for a specific purpose, to fight Sauron, and is limited on middle earth to the use of his full power, other wise he would be fighting on Sauron's side if he didn't care about unleashing his full power!! He is limited as to using his power on middle earth, otherwise, i'd say it's safe to say he is above humans even as powerfull as Dumbledore, imo.
Gandalf broke the rules all the time, and it's not 'safe to say' that he's above humans as powerful as Dumbledore. Dumbledore has much more impressive feats.
@Jonny_Anonymous said:
@justleader said:
dumbledore wins, since dumbledore>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gandalf (in human form) who defeated the balrog.
Dumbledore can instantly and most importantly silently teleport (other than him only voldemort was capable of teleporting silently) which would give dumbledore the advantage of surprise, then he can summon his firestorm which could definitely kill the balrog.
Gandalf is s incredibly powerful spirit comparable to an angel, I doubt Dumbledore could take him
Sauron, the most powerful of the Maiar is described as a minor spirit, and he's a great deal more powerful in spirit terms than Gandalf, so to suggest that Gandalf is a powerful spirit comparable to an angel is incorrect.
@Laurcus said:
@PrinceAragorn1 said:
How is fire storm going to kill a being of fire? and about water, he has already survived falling in it and snow.. Even hides of Dragons in HP were great protection against spell.. What use are they going to be when your opponent is a creature who withstood Gandalf's attacks and Killed him.. (Though he returned..)
Anyway, Guy with the third post, a godlike being in human form >>>>> An old man with crooked nose and half moon spectacles..
I wasn't aware of that little detail about dragon's hides in Harry Potter... I'm gonna go with the lesser demon god that was created for war against wizards and other gods.
Balrogs. Are. Not. Gods.
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