#1 Posted by HomasTardy (127 posts) - - Show Bio

1 on 1 fight to the death, both have 2 days prep time, fight takes place in an abandoned warehouse. Who would win and why?

#2 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman, faster, stronger, more skill, better gear and gadgets, EMP = Auto win

#3 Posted by MasterAction (634 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with the above- Batman has FAR better gear/resources to compile with 2 days prep time, plus even in the unlikely event it turned to H2H Bruce would handily get the win

#4 Edited by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

The tech argument against Dredd is not all that acurate. Judge Dredd squared off with Predator(s), whos tech is far more superior than Batman's. I don't like using the power scaling argument but since it's pretty obvious that the Predator alien race has tech far superior than Bruce's, I think that argument should be avoided. Dredd would not fall due to Batman's tech.

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I would also like to mention that Dredd was able to defeat and unmask Bruce Wayne in a Dredd/Batman crossover. The only way Batman escaped was by the help of Judge Anderson.

#5 Posted by dondave (36043 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch: Batman "Falcon Punches" Dredd

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#6 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave:

Cute :P

But read my edit. Batman and Dredd have squared off before 1v1 and Dredd came out victorious. If it wasn't for outside help Batman wouldve been executed or imprisoned in Mega City 1.

#7 Posted by Shawnbaby (10592 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

@dondave:

Cute :P

But read my edit. Batman and Dredd have squared off before 1v1 and Dredd came out victorious. If it wasn't for outside help Batman wouldve been executed or imprisoned in Mega City 1.

Crossovers don't count.

#8 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby: Was just an example that shows that Dredd can square up against Batman. Their crossover counterparts were completely identical.

But even without that knowledge, Dredd can and would defeat Batman.

If Batman has two days prep, then that means Dredd does as well. Dredd is not only a master of AI controlled gadgets such as his death machine excuse of a motorbike, but he is also very skilled in H2H combat with his bootknife and nightstick (which he used in the crossover to defeat Batman).

The tech argument isn't valid for the simple fact that Dredd does NOT need tech to dismantle and kill Batman. With his tech he is far more dangerous. He has fought and defeated spiritual elements that Batman has never even encountered. Batman may be peaked, but he is not more skilled.

#9 Posted by dondave (36043 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch: What type of training does Dredd have because Batman is a master of 127 different martial and know every nerve cluster in the body

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#10 Edited by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@FalconPuuunch: What type of training does Dredd have because Batman is a master of 127 different martial and know every nerve cluster in the body

And how does that help square off against a man who knows almost every imaginable way to kill another human being who is also wearing a durable but light full body armor. Dredd has no emotion, compassion and is the most relentless man in his respected universe. Judge Dredd's arsenal is so various, it's almost ridiculous. Every time he faces an unbeatable foe the writer grants him the most special and powerful of ammo. With two days prep, Dredd can easily figure out the best ammunition to quickly and effectively kill Batman. The Lawgiver (his gun) has been known to kill targets that are behind corners, shields and even great distances because of it's ridiculous overpowered ammo. Heat seeking, bouncing, incendiary, armor piercing, and high explosive which can level a building. He even has bullets called "exorcist bullets" that kill supernatural enemies.

Hand 2 Hand? He has punched his fist through the head of another man wearing a metal helmet.

#11 Posted by dondave (36043 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch: Your descriptionis basically describing Batman

And Batman punched thorugh "Bazooka Proof Glass "

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#12 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

@dondave said:

@FalconPuuunch: What type of training does Dredd have because Batman is a master of 127 different martial and know every nerve cluster in the body

And how does that help square off against a man who knows almost every imaginable way to kill another human being who is also wearing a durable but light full body armor. Dredd has no emotion, compassion and is the most relentless man in his respected universe. Judge Dredd's arsenal is so various, it's almost ridiculous. Every time he faces an unbeatable foe the writer grants him the most special and powerful of ammo. With two days prep, Dredd can easily figure out the best ammunition to quickly and effectively kill Batman. The Lawgiver (his gun) has been known to kill targets that are behind corners, shields and even great distances because of it's ridiculous overpowered ammo. Heat seeking, bouncing, incendiary, armor piercing, and high explosive which can level a building. He even has bullets called "exorcist bullets" that kill supernatural enemies.

Hand 2 Hand? He has punched his fist through the head of another man wearing a metal helmet.

@FalconPuuunch said:

@Shawnbaby: Was just an example that shows that Dredd can square up against Batman. Their crossover counterparts were completely identical.

But even without that knowledge, Dredd can and would defeat Batman.

If Batman has two days prep, then that means Dredd does as well. Dredd is not only a master of AI controlled gadgets such as his death machine excuse of a motorbike, but he is also very skilled in H2H combat with his bootknife and nightstick (which he used in the crossover to defeat Batman).

The tech argument isn't valid for the simple fact that Dredd does NOT need tech to dismantle and kill Batman. With his tech he is far more dangerous. He has fought and defeated spiritual elements that Batman has never even encountered. Batman may be peaked, but he is not more skilled.

Like I said, EMP = Dead Dredd. Without all of his tech and his visor, he's a sitting duck in that warehouse, he has nothing to counteract an EMP that I've seen and Batman has one as standard gear, he doesn't even need that much prep cus with prep he gets his armored suits as well as his bat-jet if he so chooses

And about that EPM that would own Dredd in any encounter.....

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Whats worse is Batman has magnetic batarangs

Dont even get me started on skill, what skill feats does dredd have to even compare the multitude that batman has? Look at this and tell me Dredd wins

Batman Capability Website: Martial Arts

#13 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@FalconPuuunch: Your descriptionis basically describing Batman

And Batman punched thorugh "Bazooka Proof Glass "

Yeah, he has also kicked through nuclear reinforcements as well, but like Batman, Dredd has been written both unpractical and unnaturally. Dredd in my opinion is more relentless and dangerous.

#14 Posted by dondave (36043 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch: how fast would you say Dreed is?

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#15 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

With the stips in place right now, Batman should stomp, his prep and tech is way beyond anything Dredd can conjure with his own.

#16 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Fine. Batman has an EMP, but Dredd has an emergency Psionic Amplifier that exponentially grants him psionic powers (and also drains both his and Batman life force) killing them both. With this emergency last-stand device he kills Batman and takes himself out afterwards.

#17 Posted by dondave (36043 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch: and this equayes to a win how?

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#18 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@FalconPuuunch: how fast would you say Dreed is?

Physically in terms of h2h? I would say about the same as every judge. They are trained mostly in using their various weapons, but they are still trained to fight h2h. He isn't as fast as Batman in a fight, but his accuracy and reflex time is waaay faster than Batman's. He can waypoint where his rubber armor-piercing bullets will end up after bouncing them across multiple platforms and surfaces in a mere second.

#19 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@FalconPuuunch: and this equayes to a win how?

He still wins. He just dies afterwards and maybe even levels the warehouse.

#20 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Fine. Batman has an EMP, but Dredd has an emergency Psionic Amplifier that exponentially grants him psionic powers (and also drains both his and Batman life force) killing them both. With this emergency last-stand device he kills Batman and takes himself out afterwards.

Not if Batman is in the Insider Suit and decides to blast Dredd with GL energy.

Dredd has no feats of durability to match Geo force's so it would potentially kill him or knock him out as well.

Batman also has Speed Force mode in his Insider Suit so it's not likely that Dredd will have the time to do as he pleases with his Psi Amp

Batman can also disorient Dredd's mind using the EMP unless Dredd has shown that his visor can protect his brain from the pulse. If not, he's not going to have time to use his Psionic Amp, meaning Batman can close in and either restrain him with magnetic Batarangs or simply put him down with his fists. Even if Dredd were to use his Psi Amp, its not even a win if he himself dies. Its a last resort and when it comes down to that, he's already truly lost.

#21 Edited by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Fine. Batman has an EMP, but Dredd has an emergency Psionic Amplifier that exponentially grants him psionic powers (and also drains both his and Batman life force) killing them both. With this emergency last-stand device he kills Batman and takes himself out afterwards.

Not if Batman is in the Insider Suit and decides to blast Dredd with GL energy.

Dredd has no feats of durability to match Geo force's so it would potentially kill him or knock him out as well.

Batman also has Speed Force mode in his Insider Suit so it's not likely that Dredd will have the time to do as he pleases with his Psi Amp

Batman can also disorient Dredd's mind using the EMP unless Dredd has shown that his visor can protect his brain from the pulse. If not, he's not going to have time to use his Psionic Amp, meaning Batman can close in and either restrain him with magnetic Batarangs or simply put him down with his fists. Even if Dredd were to use his Psi Amp, its not even a win if he himself dies. Its a last resort and when it comes down to that, he's already truly lost.

Ummm... how exactly does this stop the psionic boost? Dredd has withstood attacks from demonic forces within his suit, i'm pretty sire he can withstand a GL energy attack. Dredd also has access to a futuristic plastic spray that instantly surrounds him in a bubble-like orb which surrounds him in bubble ball which he has easy access to.

The user can safely jump off a great height, such as a tall building, bounce up again without injury, and continue bouncing until the Boing! sphere runs out of kinetic energy. As this is extremely hazardous outside, it is only permitted indoors in licenced premises such as the Palais De Boing, with unauthorised use carrying a penalty of twenty years. Boing! is also used to play human pinball in giant-sized pinball machines, with people inside the balls who try to control their direction of travel (in addition to the pinball machine controls).
Boing! has been used successfully to trap the indestructible undead Dark Judges, and the Mega-City One Justice Department keeps reserves of Boing! in its armouries in case they escape.

If he used this on Batman and he had the speedforce app on his iSuit, then he would probably kill himself.

EDIT: Also the counter attack on his psi amp is invalid. This device has killed demonic beings. Also suicide isn't the only endgame here. Judges have survived the use of this device. It only kills the user once it is switch off.

#22 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

Ummm... how exactly does this stop the psionic boost? Dredd has withstood attacks from demonic forces within his suit, i'm pretty sire he can withstand a GL energy attack.

I't stops the boost by knocking Dredd out, he can't use the boost if he's unconscious or dead. What makes these demonic forces so special, what have they done to make mention of them mean anything, unless they have feats to suggest they can produce more energy that Batman did against Geo Force, they don't matter. Also Batman can use a heat vision beam on Dredd's chin and melt the surrounding area.

@FalconPuuunch said:

Dredd also has access to a futuristic plastic spray that instantly surrounds him in a bubble-like orb which surrounds him in bubble ball which he has easy access to.

The user can safely jump off a great height, such as a tall building, bounce up again without injury, and continue bouncing until the Boing! sphere runs out of kinetic energy. As this is extremely hazardous outside, it is only permitted indoors in licenced premises such as the Palais De Boing, with unauthorised use carrying a penalty of twenty years. Boing! is also used to play human pinball in giant-sized pinball machines, with people inside the balls who try to control their direction of travel (in addition to the pinball machine controls).
Boing! has been used successfully to trap the indestructible undead Dark Judges, and the Mega-City One Justice Department keeps reserves of Boing! in its armouries in case they escape.

If he used this on Batman and he had the speedforce app on his iSuit, then he would probably kill himself.

First of all, how is he gonna spray batman with it if he's moving at super speeds? And even if Batman got caught he can go intangible and phase through the bubble, if he's invisible then how is Dredd gonna even know where to spray him before getting one shotted?

Batman stomps

#23 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch: You're arguments thus far haven't really addressed the whole EMP issue...every means that you have given for Dredd to edge out a win involve some sort of electronic device, being this psy-amp or whatever else, which Batman would render useless at the start of the fight. If we are assuming Bats gets the insider suit, then what's Dredd's answer to Speed Force (faster than light speed movement/reactions), GL blasts, heat vision, or intangibility?

#24 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

Ummm... how exactly does this stop the psionic boost? Dredd has withstood attacks from demonic forces within his suit, i'm pretty sire he can withstand a GL energy attack.

I't stops the boost by knocking Dredd out, he can't use the boost if he's unconscious or dead. What makes these demonic forces so special, what have they done to make mention of them mean anything, unless they have feats to suggest they can produce more energy that Batman did against Geo Force, they don't matter. Also Batman can use a heat vision beam on Dredd's chin and melt the surrounding area.

@FalconPuuunch said:

Dredd also has access to a futuristic plastic spray that instantly surrounds him in a bubble-like orb which surrounds him in bubble ball which he has easy access to.

The user can safely jump off a great height, such as a tall building, bounce up again without injury, and continue bouncing until the Boing! sphere runs out of kinetic energy. As this is extremely hazardous outside, it is only permitted indoors in licenced premises such as the Palais De Boing, with unauthorised use carrying a penalty of twenty years. Boing! is also used to play human pinball in giant-sized pinball machines, with people inside the balls who try to control their direction of travel (in addition to the pinball machine controls).
Boing! has been used successfully to trap the indestructible undead Dark Judges, and the Mega-City One Justice Department keeps reserves of Boing! in its armouries in case they escape.

If he used this on Batman and he had the speedforce app on his iSuit, then he would probably kill himself.

First of all, how is he gonna spray batman with it if he's moving at super speeds? And even if Batman got caught he can go intangible and phase through the bubble, if he's invisible then how is Dredd gonna even know where to spray him before getting one shotted?

Batman stomps

But who is to say that this attack knocks him out? These demonic forces were known as the "Seven Sumaraii". They killed thousands of civilians and judges in Mega City 1 before being attacked by the Psionic Amplifier, which ultimately killed them. They were seemingly unstoppable by every other weapon known to mankind at the time, so yeah I would say they are stronger than Batman.

Dredd also has heat seeking ammo that chases it's targets and melts them.

Batman moving at super speed will most likely stomp, but that is the only way. I have proved that average gear Batman would lose against Dredd and that is all that really matters.

#25 Edited by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Equonox said:

@FalconPuuunch: You're arguments thus far haven't really addressed the whole EMP issue...every means that you have given for Dredd to edge out a win involve some sort of electronic device, being this psy-amp or whatever else, which Batman would render useless at the start of the fight. If we are assuming Bats gets the insider suit, then what's Dredd's answer to Speed Force (faster than light speed movement/reactions), GL blasts, heat vision, or intangibility?

What if Dredd used his amp before Batman's EMP? It's not actually suicide until it's turned off and other judges have found ways to survive the affects after using it. If Dredd knew exactly how dangerous the EMP was, i'm pretty sure he would use it. It would also kill Speed Force Batman, but if Batman was inside the insider suit and attacked first then he would win due to almost unbeatable circumstances. I already admitted this too.

EDIT:

Also, Dredd lives in a world plagued by electromagnetic and nuclear radiation in the air. His planet is a nuclear wasteland and his tech still works. One could argue that Batman's EMP device might not even work on Dredd's futuristic and very resilient weapons and arsenal.

#26 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

But who is to say that this attack knocks him out? These demonic forces were known as the "Seven Sumaraii". They killed thousands of civilians and judges in Mega City 1 before being attacked by the Psionic Amplifier, which ultimately killed them. They were seemingly unstoppable by every other weapon known to mankind at the time, so yeah I would say they are stronger than Batman.

Dredd also has heat seeking ammo that chases it's targets and melts them.

Batman moving at super speed will most likely stomp, but that is the only way. I have proved that average gear Batman would lose against Dredd and that is all that really matters.

Once again, unless these Seven Samurai have feats that compare to tanking an RPG, which both insider and Geo have done, then they aren't even on the radar. Assumptions and no limits fallacy doesn't mean anything. They aren't stronger than Batman until proven otherwise.

Batman with standard gear has magnetic batarangs and knockout gas.....that's all he needs

#27 Posted by asIsuspected (543 posts) - - Show Bio

rendom encounter dredd, prep time bats

#28 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

But who is to say that this attack knocks him out? These demonic forces were known as the "Seven Sumaraii". They killed thousands of civilians and judges in Mega City 1 before being attacked by the Psionic Amplifier, which ultimately killed them. They were seemingly unstoppable by every other weapon known to mankind at the time, so yeah I would say they are stronger than Batman.

Dredd also has heat seeking ammo that chases it's targets and melts them.

Batman moving at super speed will most likely stomp, but that is the only way. I have proved that average gear Batman would lose against Dredd and that is all that really matters.

Once again, unless these Seven Samurai have feats that compare to tanking an RPG, which both insider and Geo have done, then they aren't even on the radar. Assumptions and no limits fallacy doesn't mean anything. They aren't stronger than Batman until proven otherwise.

Batman with standard gear has magnetic batarangs and knockout gas.....that's all he needs

Indestructible is not a feat? They could not be hurt by anything else other than the suicide bombing of a psionic amp. How is Batman stronger than almost invincible? HE ISN'T.

Makes zero sense, you're not even trying anymore.

#29 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

Indestructible is not a feat? They could not be hurt by anything else other than the suicide bombing of a psionic amp. How is Batman stronger than almost invincible? HE ISN'T.

Makes zero sense, you're not even trying anymore.

Indestructible is not a feat, its a no limits fallacy which isn't backed up by any solid proof. This isn't Batman vs Seven Samurai, Judge Dredd isn't "almost invincible" so that statement means nothing, also you have nothing to prove that the Seven are as powerful as you say .... Dredd gets one shotted.

Magnetic Batarang to restrain and incapacitate Dread, KO gas to put him out. What's so hard about that?

#30 Posted by Frocharocha (2260 posts) - - Show Bio

Dam. Dredd is pretty tough, but batman tales it. Except of Batman isn't able to take Judge Dead of course, then Dredd wins. i don't know much from booth to pick my side.

#31 Posted by HomasTardy (127 posts) - - Show Bio

I've gotta agree with @FalconPuuunch here, it seems like Dredd has an answer for everything that Batman can throw at him...

#32 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@HomasTardy said:

I've gotta agree with @FalconPuuunch here, it seems like Dredd has an answer for everything that Batman can throw at him...

Can you really? Explain how Dread has an answer for everything Batman can throw at him, when FalconPunch himself said Dread would lose here

#33 Posted by Nefarious (19549 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins with 2 days of prep-time.

#34 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@HomasTardy said:

I've gotta agree with @FalconPuuunch here, it seems like Dredd has an answer for everything that Batman can throw at him...

Can you really? Explain how Dread has an answer for everything Batman can throw at him, when FalconPunch himself said Dread would lose here

I said he would lose before I realized that an EMP would most likely be noneffective. He lives in a futuristic world where the atmosphere is vast with electromagnetic and nuclear radiation. It's pretty obvious that his tech is far more resilient than average modern day tech.

@Ancient_0f_Days said: .

Indestructible is not a feat, its a no limits fallacy which isn't backed up by any solid proof. This isn't Batman vs Seven Samurai, Judge Dredd isn't "almost invincible" so that statement means nothing, also you have nothing to prove that the Seven are as powerful as you say .... Dredd gets one shotted.

Magnetic Batarang to restrain and incapacitate Dread, KO gas to put him out. What's so hard about that?

I was simply trying to show you how devastating the psionic amplifier is in response to you just brushing it off as if it were nothing. If it helps, nothing has been able to take an attack from it and survive. I don't have to prove anything about the Seven. All I have said about them is that they almost wiped out Mega City 1 and that the only way to actually stop these demonic beings was to use this device. There are literally zero scans of this on the internet, however I can link you wiki pages and even a Cracked article if that is what you truly want. They were apart of the biggest Dredd event in the comics.

This is why you make no sense at all. Dread has magnetic bullets, so it's safe to say his suit is not drawn to magnetic attacks and Dredd also has tear gas that is far more deadly than Batman's and he also has a respirator in his visor. I can prove any of these things at any time.

One does not simply use KO gas to KO Dredd.

#35 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

It seems to me that the only way Batman can win is if Batman somehow attacks first WITH a special suit that allows him to move so fast he phases through objects. If Batman does not attack first, and Dredd activates his deadly psionic amplifier, then Batman is dead with or without the suit as long as he is in the vicinity of the warehouse which is where this battle takes place. Dredd also can choose to kill himself by switching the object off or he can keep it on until he finds a safe way to turn it off which is not impossible in the Dredd universe.

#36 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

I said he would lose before I realized that an EMP would most likely be noneffective. He lives in a futuristic world where the atmosphere is vast with electromagnetic and nuclear radiation. It's pretty obvious that his tech is far more resilient than average modern day tech.

Since when does Batman use "modern day tech" .... he uses alien tech, advanced tech created by super geniuses, and tech that people in today's time would have absolutely no way of creating and using the way he does. So that line goes out the window. You still said Dread would lose due to the Insider Suit. He would also lose if Batman decided to use New Genesis tech, meaning he could either bring a Mother Box which he could use to hack all of Dread's tech and render it absolutely useless as well as teleport, heal and enhance his physical abilities, or bring his Boom Tube Fist which he can simply BFR Dread with, probably to Pluto.

@FalconPuuunch said:

I was simply trying to show you how devastating the psionic amplifier is in response to you just brushing it off as if it were nothing. If it helps, nothing has been able to take an attack from it and survive. I don't have to prove anything about the Seven. All I have said about them is that they almost wiped out Mega City 1 and that the only way to actually stop these demonic beings was to use this device. There are literally zero scans of this on the internet, however I can link you wiki pages and even a Cracked article if that is what you truly want. They were apart of the biggest Dredd event in the comics.

Using them as an example is meaningless when you cannot properly gauge their abilities. I still don't see how Dread won't get KOd from a GL blast.

@FalconPuuunch said:

This is why you make no sense at all. Dread has magnetic bullets, so it's safe to say his suit is not drawn to magnetic attacks and Dredd also has tear gas that is far more deadly than Batman's and he also has a respirator in his visor. I can prove any of these things at any time.

One does not simply use KO gas to KO Dredd.

Maybe he isn't drawn to his own magnetic attacks, like you said, his weapon has his dna signature on it, it is customized for him, so obviously his bullets from his gun wont effect him even if they are magnetic. Besides that, the rest looks legit, ok then, Batman may not be able to win in a random encounter, I can provide a better argument but I don't feel like arguing as off topic as it is already since this thread is a prep based battle.

Batman stomps BTW

#37 Posted by Shawnbaby (10592 posts) - - Show Bio

@Equonox said:

@FalconPuuunch: You're arguments thus far haven't really addressed the whole EMP issue...every means that you have given for Dredd to edge out a win involve some sort of electronic device, being this psy-amp or whatever else, which Batman would render useless at the start of the fight. If we are assuming Bats gets the insider suit, then what's Dredd's answer to Speed Force (faster than light speed movement/reactions), GL blasts, heat vision, or intangibility?

Ok first of all...I'm going to preface my statement by saying that I believe Batman wins this battle. I think Dredd puts up a good fight...but in the end will be taken down by Bruce's superior skill and tech.

But, for the love of god people, stop overvaluing the Insider Suit. It has absolutely zero showings of being able to go faster than light. It EMULATES the powers of the JL...it doesn't turn Batman into Amazo. The best showing it has is against Geo-Force...and even Bruce said that was more to do with his temper than any other factor. Everyone else he fought with it were like mid-tier street level...guys that Batman could take even without the Insider. It can only use 1 power at a time and has a craptastic battery.

#38 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

guys if you don't know anything about Dredd just don't post, it's not a hard thing to do.

#39 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@FalconPuuunch said:

I said he would lose before I realized that an EMP would most likely be noneffective. He lives in a futuristic world where the atmosphere is vast with electromagnetic and nuclear radiation. It's pretty obvious that his tech is far more resilient than average modern day tech.

Since when does Batman use "modern day tech" .... he uses alien tech, advanced tech created by super geniuses, and tech that people in today's time would have absolutely no way of creating and using the way he does. So that line goes out the window. You still said Dread would lose due to the Insider Suit. He would also lose if Batman decided to use New Genesis tech, meaning he could either bring a Mother Box which he could use to hack all of Dread's tech and render it absolutely useless as well as teleport, heal and enhance his physical abilities, or bring his Boom Tube Fist which he can simply BFR Dread with, probably to Pluto.

@FalconPuuunch said:

I was simply trying to show you how devastating the psionic amplifier is in response to you just brushing it off as if it were nothing. If it helps, nothing has been able to take an attack from it and survive. I don't have to prove anything about the Seven. All I have said about them is that they almost wiped out Mega City 1 and that the only way to actually stop these demonic beings was to use this device. There are literally zero scans of this on the internet, however I can link you wiki pages and even a Cracked article if that is what you truly want. They were apart of the biggest Dredd event in the comics.

Using them as an example is meaningless when you cannot properly gauge their abilities. I still don't see how Dread won't get KOd from a GL blast.

@FalconPuuunch said:

This is why you make no sense at all. Dread has magnetic bullets, so it's safe to say his suit is not drawn to magnetic attacks and Dredd also has tear gas that is far more deadly than Batman's and he also has a respirator in his visor. I can prove any of these things at any time.

One does not simply use KO gas to KO Dredd.

Maybe he isn't drawn to his own magnetic attacks, like you said, his weapon has his dna signature on it, it is customized for him, so obviously his bullets from his gun wont effect him even if they are magnetic. Besides that, the rest looks legit, ok then, Batman may not be able to win in a random encounter, I can provide a better argument but I don't feel like arguing as off topic as it is already since this thread is a prep based battle.

Batman stomps BTW

1.) I wasn't comparing Dredd's tech to Batman's, I was comparing it to Modern Day Tech. I was simply saying that his tech would most likely withstand Batman's standard EMP equipment. As for the Mother Box, unless you can actually prove that it would actually work on Dredd's futuristic tech, then I see no reason to even bring it up.

2.) I don't see how in the hell he would.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shojun_the_Warlord

This is the guy who summoned the Seven. You can briefly read about them here, but if you need more I will be more than happy to give you more. Unless Batman has slaughtered thousands with this GL attack I see no point in bringing it back into the conversation.

3.) I have never EVER read anything that said his ammo was customized soley to his heat signature. His gun is, but his bullets? No.

Ah. The good ol' Batman/Prep argument. The only *true* way to end this thread.

#40 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

1.) I wasn't comparing Dredd's tech to Batman's, I was comparing it to Modern Day Tech. I was simply saying that his tech would most likely withstand Batman's standard EMP equipment. As for the Mother Box, unless you can actually prove that it would actually work on Dredd's futuristic tech, then I see no reason to even bring it up.

Well heres a rundown on the mother box's entire powerset

Powers

  • Danger Sense
  • Life Sense
  • Omniscience: Mother Box has control of all Detection Powers, and Mental Powers regarding insight.
  • Omni-knowledge: Mother Box has Amazing access to know just about anything needed at the time.
  • Energy Transference: Because Mother Box has the Leadership talent, she can automatically transfer her energy to her user. In addition, through his affection for Mother Box, the user can transfer energy back to her. Only one such attempt is allowed pe
  • r day.
  • Source Conduit: Mother Boxes have been seen to: Access the Energy of the Source for various effects such as:
  • Gravity Manipulation: Change the gravitational constant of an area,
  • Energy Transfer: Transfer energy from one place to another,
  • Emotion Control: Control the mental state of a host
  • Telepathy: Communicate telepathically with a host or other life form,
  • Regenerate Others: Manipulate the life-force of a host to sustain it past fatal injuries,
  • Boom-Tubes: ability to open or close boom-tubes. Any character that possesses both a Mother Box and a sample of X-Element can automatically create a Boom Tube capable of transporting him between dimensions and galaxies. Boom Tubes have the Warp power at Class 5000, Dimension Travel, and remain open approximately eight seconds (1-2 rounds).
  • Machine Animation/Control: Take over and control non-sentient machines, including the ability to evolve non-sentient machines.
  • Gestalt: Merge sentient beings into a single more powerful being,
  • Life Support: Sustain a life form in a hostile environment such as space, and many others.

So, Dredd's screwed

@FalconPuuunch said:

2.) I don't see how in the hell he would.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shojun_the_Warlord

This is the guy who summoned the Seven. You can briefly read about them here, but if you need more I will be more than happy to give you more. Unless Batman has slaughtered thousands with this GL attack I see no point in bringing it back into the conversation.

Unless that guy is in this, it doesn't matter especially since you cannot gauge an attack by how many random citizens it killed. especially since it wasn't one attack it was all seven rampaging on normal citizens and judges with no real detail as to how they went about it which says "nothing" about Dredds durability. Dredd was wounded anyway so now I have even more reason to believe he's vulnerable to GL energy, it was enough to KO Geo Force who was only knocked out by a missile. Nothing you've shown thus far has proven Dredd's durability or even if he can withstand an attack of that caliber.

@FalconPuuunch said:

3.) I have never EVER read anything that said his ammo was customized soley to his heat signature. His gun is, but his bullets? No.

first of all.....

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

Maybe he isn't drawn to his own magnetic attacks, like you said, his weapon has his dna signature on it, it is customized for him, so obviously his bullets from his gun wont effect him even if they are magnetic. Besides that, the rest looks legit, ok then, Batman may not be able to win in a random encounter, I can provide a better argument but I don't feel like arguing as off topic as it is already since this thread is a prep based battle.

Batman stomps BTW

Swing and a miss.........And also

He also has a handgun which is named the Lawgiver, DNA-coded so that no one else may use the weapon - it will explode if it reads an incorrect palm-print. These are standard issue for Judges, firing six types of ammo such as Standard bullets, Rubber Ricochet, Armour Piercing, Heat-Seeking, Incendiary and Hi-Ex. It can also fire tracking bullets, stun shots, and more, although it requires loading to do so.

there we go....

@FalconPuuunch said:

Ah. The good ol' Batman/Prep argument. The only *true* way to end this thread.

Indeed, Batman with prep can put Dredd on the moon and beyond ...

Batman stomps

#41 Posted by FalconPuuunch (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: I'm done arguing with you directly for the sake of my sanity, but Dredd is accessible to wide array of ammo outside of his standard 6. Yes, I can read the Comicvine page on Judge Dredd too.

#42 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11987 posts) - - Show Bio

@FalconPuuunch said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: I'm done arguing with you directly for the sake of my sanity, but Dredd is accessible to wide array of ammo outside of his standard 6. Yes, I can read the Comicvine page on Judge Dredd too.

Concession Accepted