Dr.Doom vs Lex Luthor

Both have one day to prepare against each other, they can both use all weapons in their arsenal and allies, the battle takes place in Metropolis

VS

You gotta be kidding me.

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

@BigCimmerian said:

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

It would actually be the other way round, Lex has far superior people skills and there are a lot more powerful people willing to work with him than Dr.Doom, Lex normally only annoys the good guys who are unwilling to kill where Dr.Doom has pissed off nearly everyone he has ever worked with and would have been killed if it weren't for his Joker invulnerability.

Doom ftw

Lex has more resources. So Lex wins. Doom does have the cooler name though...

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

It would actually be the other way round, Lex has far superior people skills and there are a lot more powerful people willing to work with him than Dr.Doom, Lex normally only annoys the good guys who are unwilling to kill where Dr.Doom has pissed off nearly everyone he has ever worked with and would have been killed if it weren't for his Joker invulnerability.

Ok who are those people that Lex can call? Doom can call Loki who will call Mephisto, Hela and Surtur lol.

@Reignmaker said:

Lex has more resources. So Lex wins. Doom does have the cooler name though...

So wrong. Doom has entire country and his castle, he also has time machine which means he can use as many prep time and resources as he wants.

All the people Lex calls, Doom will end up mind controlling them.

Dr Doom Cosmic Cube or Infinity Gauntlet.

Doom wins with ease

@BigCimmerian said:

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

It would actually be the other way round, Lex has far superior people skills and there are a lot more powerful people willing to work with him than Dr.Doom, Lex normally only annoys the good guys who are unwilling to kill where Dr.Doom has pissed off nearly everyone he has ever worked with and would have been killed if it weren't for his Joker invulnerability.

Ok who are those people that Lex can call? Doom can call Loki who will call Mephisto, Hela and Surtur lol.

Luthor has often been the leader of whatever the Super Villain equivalent of the Justice League is at the time from the Secret Society, Injustice Gang, Revenge Squad to the Secret Six and has led and been on friendly terms with nearly every major Earth based supervillain and has often employed there services.

Why would any of these people help Dr.Doom, he's already sold his soul and he's often turned on those he's worked with including Mephisto.

Dr. Doom has never sold his soul to anyone but himself.

@BigCimmerian said:

@Reignmaker said:

Lex has more resources. So Lex wins. Doom does have the cooler name though...

So wrong. Doom has entire country and his castle, he also has time machine which means he can use as many prep time and resources as he wants.

Luthor would be richer than Latveria let alone his company Luthor Corp and Luthor has also built a time machine but the villain hand book says that you are only allowed to use it for convoluted stupid reasons like sending Batman into a time travelling mine-series.

Victor most likely, but Lex does have some pretty powerful allies.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/lex-luthor-vs-doctor-doom/564367/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/dr-doom-vs-lex-luthor/560862/

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/doctor-doom-vs-lex-luthor/582819/

Has been done multiple times, buddy.

Anyway, welcome to CV. This happens to everyone, so don't worry. Just read the battle forum rules before creating a thread.

I would give it to Doom by the skin of his teeth

Lex Luthor pal's around with people that give Dr Fate a run for his money, I think Lex has got this.

I'm going with Lex!

Doom wins this

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

It would actually be the other way round, Lex has far superior people skills and there are a lot more powerful people willing to work with him than Dr.Doom, Lex normally only annoys the good guys who are unwilling to kill where Dr.Doom has pissed off nearly everyone he has ever worked with and would have been killed if it weren't for his Joker invulnerability.

Ok who are those people that Lex can call? Doom can call Loki who will call Mephisto, Hela and Surtur lol.

Luthor has often been the leader of whatever the Super Villain equivalent of the Justice League is at the time from the Secret Society, Injustice Gang, Revenge Squad to the Secret Six and has led and been on friendly terms with nearly every major Earth based supervillain and has often employed there services.

Why would any of these people help Dr.Doom, he's already sold his soul and he's often turned on those he's worked with including Mephisto.

Mephisto and Surtur could solo Secret Society, Injustice Gang, Revenge Squad and Secret Six with ease, Doom and Loki were allies and perhaps even friends and Loki is ally with hell lords.

A dirty alliance to take down the FF and Superman followed on by a dirty dirty betrayal from either/both parts. Serious shit hitting the fan in both the DC and Marvel universes.

I am going with Doom for this. That guy own a Country, built a time machine and even steals power from a Godlike being...

@BigCimmerian said:

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

It would actually be the other way round, Lex has far superior people skills and there are a lot more powerful people willing to work with him than Dr.Doom, Lex normally only annoys the good guys who are unwilling to kill where Dr.Doom has pissed off nearly everyone he has ever worked with and would have been killed if it weren't for his Joker invulnerability.

Ok who are those people that Lex can call? Doom can call Loki who will call Mephisto, Hela and Surtur lol.

Luthor has often been the leader of whatever the Super Villain equivalent of the Justice League is at the time from the Secret Society, Injustice Gang, Revenge Squad to the Secret Six and has led and been on friendly terms with nearly every major Earth based supervillain and has often employed there services.

Why would any of these people help Dr.Doom, he's already sold his soul and he's often turned on those he's worked with including Mephisto.

Mephisto and Surtur could solo Secret Society, Injustice Gang, Revenge Squad and Secret Six with ease, Doom and Loki were allies and perhaps even friends and Loki is ally with hell lords.

You haven't actually said why any of these people would help Doom in this scenario or even if they can help him. None of them would be willing or possibly even able to come to Earth just to protect Doom's life, Lex has a better chance of getting Darkseid or Nekron to help out than Doom has of getting Mephisto or Surtur. As I've said before Luthor is actually a people person and often works as the leader with very powerful individuals so is guaranteed to be able to pull in big guns like Abra, Felix Faust, Circe, Bizarro, Dr.Light, Slade, Funky Flashman and so on.

I'm more inclined to say Doom wins, but an argument can be made for both.

@Dextersinister: Also when Lex is become a leader, he prepare against all of those member powers, aren't he? Against magic, mind control, etc.... I have seen this in cartoon, but I guess that's not cannon.

I feel that Doom has more resources; even with Lex's wealth Doom has vast arcane knowledge and equipment that Lex has never been shown to possess.

However, Lex has his hands in a lot of villain pies. His allies are more numerous. Lex may be a jerk but he pays well.

Doom tends to have less allies although they are powerful.

I'd say they would both lay traps for each others allies. Doom has less allies so he'd have to take on more of Lex's friends and Lex. I do believe Doom is more powerful and more versatile than Lex but eventually with his lack of friends Lex would take this although he'd lose a lot of his fodder...er I mean "friends".

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Dextersinister said:

@BigCimmerian said:

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

It would actually be the other way round, Lex has far superior people skills and there are a lot more powerful people willing to work with him than Dr.Doom, Lex normally only annoys the good guys who are unwilling to kill where Dr.Doom has pissed off nearly everyone he has ever worked with and would have been killed if it weren't for his Joker invulnerability.

Ok who are those people that Lex can call? Doom can call Loki who will call Mephisto, Hela and Surtur lol.

Luthor has often been the leader of whatever the Super Villain equivalent of the Justice League is at the time from the Secret Society, Injustice Gang, Revenge Squad to the Secret Six and has led and been on friendly terms with nearly every major Earth based supervillain and has often employed there services.

Why would any of these people help Dr.Doom, he's already sold his soul and he's often turned on those he's worked with including Mephisto.

Mephisto and Surtur could solo Secret Society, Injustice Gang, Revenge Squad and Secret Six with ease, Doom and Loki were allies and perhaps even friends and Loki is ally with hell lords.

You haven't actually said why any of these people would help Doom in this scenario or even if they can help him. None of them would be willing or possibly even able to come to Earth just to protect Doom's life, Lex has a better chance of getting Darkseid or Nekron to help out than Doom has of getting Mephisto or Surtur. As I've said before Luthor is actually a people person and often works as the leader with very powerful individuals so is guaranteed to be able to pull in big guns like Abra, Felix Faust, Circe, Bizarro, Dr.Light, Slade, Funky Flashman and so on.

I said allready, Doom and Loki are friends and Loki is friend with Mephisto, Hela and Surtur.

Doom will end up brainwashing Superman and Batman and Lantern and Flash and Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Lex is Doom'ed.

Doctor Doom wins without any effort, especially if he can call allies.

@BigCimmerian: I would consider them acquaintances at best and Loki would not ask those guys for help for something as meager as saving Dr Doom's help, do you have any idea how much that would cost him. Doom would get Loki's help at best and even then it most likely wouldn't be his actual physical presence.

@Magethor said:

Doom will end up brainwashing Superman and Batman and Lantern and Flash and Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Lex is Doom'ed.

Doom wouldn't be stupid enough to do that, if he even succeeded in controlling some of them (Flash and Manhunter would be immune possibly Batman as well) then he has the League on him as well. When control is inevitably broken by one of the many magic users Luthor knows or Wonder Woman with her lasso or John with his godlike telepathy then he's certain to lose. Mind control always backfires in the end when you drag in those not involved, if you do it to those involved you have nothing to lose for trying.

A whole day, huh. Well a few cosmic cubes should get the job done, or at least absorbing Galan(which he has done way too many times for some reason).

@Killer_of_trolls said:

A whole day, huh. Well a few cosmic cubes should get the job done, or at least absorbing Galan(which he has done way too many times for some reason).

Isn't getting a massive power upgrade an auto-lose for Doom he's never handled them very well.

@Dextersinister: That would only be WIS.

If he defeated Galactus with one cube, he should own Lexy easily. Would you like to see the scans?

Doom summons an army of Mr. Cleans and drives Lex insane

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@Dextersinister: That would only be WIS.

If he defeated Galactus with one cube, he should own Lexy easily. Would you like to see the scans?

If it happens on a regular basis it's a character flaw and would no longer apply as WIS which makes sense as Doom has a few screws loose, it happened when he got G-Money's power and it happened when he got Wanda's thingy powers. Also if we say he has a cosmic cube then this is no longer a battle between Lex and Doom's capabilities it's just another overpowered plot device vs over powered plot device (cosmic cube vs white lantern entity) which neither can get at will otherwise it wouldn't be a plot device.

People are saying Doom wins, but remember, Lex can recruit Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Brainiac, and others who he can bring in to help him.

@blackadamFTW said:

People are saying Doom wins, but remember, Lex can recruit Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Brainiac, and others who he can bring in to help him.

I think Lex's resources and people skills means he has this in the bag as Doom is just a lonely old man but it's highly unlikely he can bring any of the 3 people you mentioned to the fight. Each one of them would only help fight a common enemy at best but he has plenty of other power houses he can bring as I've listed before.

@Dextersinister said:

@blackadamFTW said:

People are saying Doom wins, but remember, Lex can recruit Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Brainiac, and others who he can bring in to help him.

I think Lex's resources and people skills means he has this in the bag as Doom is just a lonely old man but it's highly unlikely he can bring any of the 3 people you mentioned to the fight. Each one of them would only help fight a common enemy at best but he has plenty of other power houses he can bring as I've listed before.

True. Lex is very persuasive, though...

@blackadamFTW said:

People are saying Doom wins, but remember, Lex can recruit Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Brainiac, and others who he can bring in to help him.

loool why would they help him?

CRIMSON BANDS OF CYTORRAK !!! :D

@BigCimmerian said:

@blackadamFTW said:

People are saying Doom wins, but remember, Lex can recruit Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Brainiac, and others who he can bring in to help him.

loool why would they help him?

Darkseid and Lex Luthor have done business before, and Lex Luthor could convince the others (one way being their mutual hate for Superman).

That doesn't explain how he gets their assistance within one day for a duel with a mutant from another universe

@blackadamFTW said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@blackadamFTW said:

People are saying Doom wins, but remember, Lex can recruit Cyborg Superman, Darkseid, Brainiac, and others who he can bring in to help him.

loool why would they help him?

Darkseid and Lex Luthor have done business before, and Lex Luthor could convince the others (one way being their mutual hate for Superman).

Doom has more chance to recruit Surtur then Lex to recruit Darkseid. Don't forget that Doom has acces to other Dooms from alternate realities, Parliament of Doom.

If it is a straight up fight...Doom

Doom.

@Dextersinister said:

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@Dextersinister: That would only be WIS.

If he defeated Galactus with one cube, he should own Lexy easily. Would you like to see the scans?

If it happens on a regular basis it's a character flaw and would no longer apply as WIS which makes sense as Doom has a few screws loose, it happened when he got G-Money's power and it happened when he got Wanda's thingy powers. Also if we say he has a cosmic cube then this is no longer a battle between Lex and Doom's capabilities it's just another overpowered plot device vs over powered plot device (cosmic cube vs white lantern entity) which neither can get at will otherwise it wouldn't be a plot device.

Regular basis? Now your just being bias. Both these guy's losses should be enormously more than there winnings, because the're villains and that's how it usually goes down(I think Doom has a longer winning streak but that's irrelevant and would take too much time to research). Doom can get the cube in one day, and Lex was never a white lantern, and he can't get the orange ring when-ever he wants. Doom has lot's of winnings with power-ups, but ofcourse he would lose in the end of a mainstream continuity arc, exactly like Lex.

Anyway:

One of the many times he Owned G:

Another good time is when he beat Galactus in Secret Wars.

Doom beat SS twic,:

Doom Stomping Odin and Thor and and the asgardian army together:

Breaks the Atlantis miliatary, and pwns Namor with one finger:

Uatu aka.The Watcher takes the cosmic cube from Doom, then Doom just punks him and takes it back like a boss:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FanFourWGCM06_17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FanFourWGCM06_18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/doom/FanFourWGCM06_19.jpg

All this so far is a just a few. I could keep posting alot more of Doom, but I think this more than enough. I don't know why he is being underestimating here, 616 Doom is the 3rd smartest in the Marvel multiverse, and is second in line for the title of Sorcerer Supreme, and the man build an entire wealthy modern civilized country with real people(500,000 population) who praise him in 3 months. The man is more impressive than Lexy in any sort of fashion, Even if Lex has the Tooth-fairy on dial-up.

Doom.

@BigCimmerian:

They're all dead as of current Future Foundation issue. Though Doom would win because Valeria would help him, which means she would tell Reed and Franklin to help as well.

@Killer_of_trolls: I was referring to the amount of times he flips out when he gets a power upgrade because he can't handle it and that will cause him to lose not that he loses becasue he was the villain.

Can he really get a cube in one day? I know some of these overpowered artifacts are easy to get, Doom's found so many of them just lying around and Thanos practically found the infinity gems down the back of a sofa but I chalk that up to bad writing and we have to assume that they cannot get them under normal circumstances otherwise if he could get it in a day he would do that rather than spend weeks divising a plan to take down the FF or whoever else he's gunning for.