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#1 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder is Pre-retcon, as in during the Secret Wars.

#2 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder curbstomps.

#3 Posted by LubeMan (1067 posts) - - Show Bio
Ferro Vida said:
"Beyonder is Pre-retcon, as in during the Secret Wars."

Wich gives Manhatten absolutely no hope whatsoever before he even entere's this battle.

The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Beyonder curbstomps."
#4 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio

They can both do anything.

#5 Posted by ~The Wanderer~ (34406 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"Beyonder curbstomps."
#6 Posted by lordraiden (7172 posts) - - Show Bio
Ferro Vida said:
"They can both do anything."

No, Manhatten can not do ANYTHING! Not even close. Beyonder can do anything, Q can do anything, Manhatten can not, he has limitations! You just pitted him against a being who'm back in the day (of secret wars) no one could touch him or rival his power!
#7 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio

doesn't any body sleep here?

<---- does not sleep.
<---- is a program.

#8 Posted by SeSAW (3677 posts) - - Show Bio

Lots of characters can do almost anything, Silver Surfer can use his power to do almost anything he wishes, but when he goes against someone whos powers trump his he can't win. Has Dr Manhattan ever banished anyone to another universe, beyonder has

#9 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder would just toy with Manhattan. If it came down to a confrontation, Beyonder would just remove Doc's memories of events. Beyonder was never really a confrontational person. If they started warping reality at each other Beyonder would just erase Manhattan. Beyonder is the clear-cut winner here.

#10 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay, I've posted two battles with Dr. Manhattan. Each was a curbstomp, one for him and one against. I'll try one more time.

#11 Posted by HobGadling (706 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder.

#12 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

beyonder ftw  this is a total stomp

#13 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder hasn't done anything Manhattan can't.

#14 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"Beyonder hasn't done anything Manhattan can't."
Your kidding.
#15 Edited by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
geraldthesloth said:
"Nobody said:
"Beyonder hasn't done anything Manhattan can't."
Your kidding."
What has Beyonder done that Manhattan couldn't?
#16 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio





#17 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

None of those show anything Manhattan can't do.

#18 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Manhatten is not omnipotent for 1

manhatten doesn't even have any feats to show he's on a league of the same as the beyonder

the beyonder can think he wont exist and that will happen

beyonder has no limits to his power he's the strongest there is

#19 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

1. The way he is described in the Watchmen he is. He can do whatever he wants.
2. Manhattan has plenty of feats. Spoiler! At the end of the Watchmen Manhattan stays that he is leaving this galaxy for another one less complicated and was going to go create his one "human life". That is a pretty grand feat, and out of all the feats he's done, Manhattan never seemed to exert any effort at all. His mind could be split into many tasks and not once was he distracted.
3. Manhattan could do the same
4. Beyonder is not the strongest there is, and Manhattan has no limit either

#20 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

But he has no feats showing this does he,


while the beyonder can all while he limits himself







#21 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Classic Beyonder should win here...
#22 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
geraldthesloth said:
"But he has no feats showing this does he,"
He is a character that was only around for a short story that had to do the back history of several other characters as well as his, plus telling the story. Showing huge amounts of feats would not have worked. But from what was stated and what was shown, you can judge that he is no different than the Beyonder at all.
#23 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

It hasn't shown he's on beyonders level he loses

#24 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
geraldthesloth said:
"It hasn't shown he's on beyonders level he loses"
True Indeed
#25 Posted by HobGadling (706 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody said:

"geraldthesloth said:
"But he has no feats showing this does he,"
He is a character that was only around for a short story that had to do the back history of several other characters as well as his, plus telling the story. Showing huge amounts of feats would not have worked. But from what was stated and what was shown, you can judge that he is no different than the Beyonder at all."

Manhattan can do a lot of things that Beyonder can, but not all.  For one, the Celestials couldn't handle Beyonder.  I don't think they'd have a problem handling Manhattan.  I may be mistaken, but Beyonder can reality warp, no?  If so, there was never any indication that Manhattan could.

It is possible that Manhattan was on his way to becoming something like Beyonder.  It was implied that he would pretty much just keep growing more and more powerful and more and more out of touch with everything, but when we're talking about Beyonder, we're talking about the true ceiling that anyone could hope to attain, and even if Manhattan did become Beyonder for all intents and purposes... could the Beyonder defeat the Beyonder?

Beyonder's page also states that he has knowledge of everything past and present.  I don't think that's true with Manhattan, who ONLY (lol) has knowledge of everything that's going to happen within his lifetime... along with understanding the make-up of anything he comes across on a molecular level.  While his lifetime may stretch on forever, it doesn't include everything that has ever been in the past.

#26 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
HobGadling said:
"

Nobody said:

"geraldthesloth said:
"But he has no feats showing this does he,"
He is a character that was only around for a short story that had to do the back history of several other characters as well as his, plus telling the story. Showing huge amounts of feats would not have worked. But from what was stated and what was shown, you can judge that he is no different than the Beyonder at all."

Manhattan can do a lot of things that Beyonder can, but not all.  For one, the Celestials couldn't handle Beyonder.  I don't think they'd have a problem handling Manhattan.  I may be mistaken, but Beyonder can reality warp, no?  If so, there was never any indication that Manhattan could.

It is possible that Manhattan was on his way to becoming something like Beyonder.  It was implied that he would pretty much just keep growing more and more powerful and more and more out of touch with everything, but when we're talking about Beyonder, we're talking about the true ceiling that anyone could hope to attain, and even if Manhattan did become Beyonder for all intents and purposes... could the Beyonder defeat the Beyonder?

Beyonder's page also states that he has knowledge of everything past and present.  I don't think that's true with Manhattan, who ONLY (lol) has knowledge of everything that's going to happen within his lifetime... along with understanding the make-up of anything he comes across on a molecular level.  While his lifetime may stretch on forever, it doesn't include everything that has ever been in the past.

"
Oh I'm not saying Manhattan wins. I never said Manhattan wins. I simply stated that I don't believe there is a thing the Beyonder has done that Manhattan could duplicate.
#27 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

The difference, to me, is that Beyonder understands his powers intuitively, while Manhattan is limited to his knowledge of science. Beyonder can do things that even Manhattan might deem impossible. For instance, I don't think Beyonder would be puzzled and mesmerized by tachyons. Manhattan also lived in a more mundane universe than the Marvel one, and couldn't hope to understand the way most super-powers work, since they completely defy established scientific laws and principles. Beyonder had no trouble understanding them, manipulating them, re-creating them. He even found a way to rid the universe of Death. I don't think Manhattan could achieve such a thing, even if he did reach his full potential. Beyonder also had a better understanding of human behavior, even though (pre-retcon) he had never encountered them before. Manhattan was moving further and further away from humanity with each passing day. I don't think he would be great shakes at creating sentient life. He is too bound by logic and scientific principles IMO.

#28 Posted by Ball Buster (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder I think takes this. I can't wait to see the Watchmen movie.

#29 Posted by King Saturn (224286 posts) - - Show Bio
Ball Buster said:
"Beyonder I think takes this. I can't wait to see the Watchmen movie."
Hell Yes. That Watchman Movie looks awesome
#30 Posted by lordraiden (7172 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"Beyonder hasn't done anything Manhattan can't."

Your absolutely f#$@%n kidding me???
#31 Posted by Fresh Prince (5155 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyonder

#32 Posted by lagoon_boy (10954 posts) - - Show Bio
beyonder
#33 Posted by chunjacktao (334 posts) - - Show Bio

If Beyonder is made of matter, Dr. Manhattan wins, cauz he can take beyonder apart.  If not, beyonder wins.
#34 Posted by OhTru (1583 posts) - - Show Bio
@chunjacktao said:
" If Beyonder is made of matter, Dr. Manhattan wins, cauz he can take beyonder apart.  "
Dr Doom amped himself up killed Beyonder, drained Beyonder of his power, destroyed his body, wiped him out from existence, stole all his abilities
 
What happens?
 
 
A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities
 
That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is
 
A God, as in totally omnipitent, totally unbeatable
#35 Posted by Harlekin (681 posts) - - Show Bio

Where did this whole Dr. M can do anything come from? Did people read the book?

#36 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio

pre recton beyonder by a landslide
#37 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio
@OhTru said:
" @chunjacktao said:
" If Beyonder is made of matter, Dr. Manhattan wins, cauz he can take beyonder apart.  "
Dr Doom amped himself up killed Beyonder, drained Beyonder of his power, destroyed his body, wiped him out from existence, stole all his abilities  What happens?   A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities  That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is  A God, as in totally omnipitent, totally unbeatable "
You didn't read the book, did you? You just looked at the pictures.
 
There was no need for anyone to bump this thread
#38 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida:
that is his specialty
#39 Edited by SilverGalford (3265 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth:
i like those images  
 
lol!  haven't you told me  about stop doing this threads? 
 
nobody in marvel and dc and anime universe can beat him except from one above all and the presence.
#40 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio
@capall said:
" @Ferro Vida: that is his specialty "
Bumping unnecessary threads, or looking at the pictures and claiming to know the story?
#41 Posted by capall (8278 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @capall said:
" @Ferro Vida: that is his specialty "
Bumping unnecessary threads, or looking at the pictures and claiming to know the story? "

all of the above, u win, lol
#42 Posted by OhTru (1583 posts) - - Show Bio
 
@Ferro Vida said:

" You just looked at the pictures. "

I own it troll, if you can't buy backissues you can buy the TPB for about 15 bucks
even old comics out of print with copyright legal issues like 'Give Me Liberty' or 'Superman vs Ali' you can always ahemdonload 
 
 

@Ferro Vida

said:

" There was no need for anyone to bump this thread "

flame me and jerk of creator and I'll keep bumping all your old posts and expose the both of you for the biased morons that you are
 
 
Sorry about not mentioning your name in the old-school cool club along side Vance,  Lunacyde, Creator, DCMarvel1000,  LanceUppercut....I'll remember to include you on the fanboy sh#list next time 
 
 
@capall said:

" pre recton beyonder by a landslide "


agreed
 
he's way too powerful
#43 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio
@OhTru: Someone woke up on the wrong side of the cattle prod...
#44 Posted by FLCL1 (9580 posts) - - Show Bio

dr. M is a curious character 
 
he has show feats that puts him as a cosmic being however he has never ben push to the limits if he has any 
 
i know this is old lol but we should use Dr.m any more just sayin
#45 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio
@FLCL1: Be thankful that you're too new to remember the Dr. Manhattan flood while the Watchmen movie was coming out.
#46 Posted by FLCL1 (9580 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida:
lol i looked it up awhile back after Dr.M vs Silver surfer 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
i threw up lol
#47 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - - Show Bio
@OhTru said:
"  
@Ferro Vida said:

" You just looked at the pictures. "

I own it troll, if you can't buy backissues you can buy the TPB for about 15 bucks
even old comics out of print with copyright legal issues like 'Give Me Liberty' or 'Superman vs Ali' you can always ahemdonload 
 
 

@Ferro Vida

said:

" There was no need for anyone to bump this thread "

flame me and jerk of creator and I'll keep bumping all your old posts and expose the both of you for the biased morons that you are
 
 
Sorry about not mentioning your name in the old-school cool club along side Vance,  Lunacyde, Creator, DCMarvel1000,  LanceUppercut....I'll remember to include you on the fanboy sh#list next time 
 
 
@capall said:

" pre recton beyonder by a landslide "

agreed  he's way too powerful "
I've been here maybe six months. I'd hardly say that makes me old school.
#48 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio

I had an aneurysm :P

#49 Posted by Emerald_General_Jai (2306 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd take Beyonder. 

#50 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut: I figured he's just jealous that people actually take you seriously.