Dr. Manhattan vs. Molecule Man
Current Molecule Man is an absolute joke (Daken actually managed to fight back against his molecular manipulation), but he still could probably beat Manhattan.
" @Goenitz said:Yeah, this." @The Mjolnir Wielder said:Agreed. "" Current Molecule Man is an absolute joke (Daken actually managed to fight back against his molecular manipulation), but he still could probably beat Manhattan. "Agree "
" Don't people argue here that Dr. M > Sentry? And recently Sentry > Molecule Man? "Well, it was the Void side that displayed molecular manipulation.
"Don't people argue here that Dr. M > Sentry? And recently Sentry > Molecule Man? "
I argued he couldn't even harm the Sentry long before he was ripping Molecule Man to pieces, atleast I think I did. :P
Manhattan doesn't have the feats to say he could kill anything as durable as the Sentry, since then Void / Sentry > easily Manhattan.
Now for this, MM seems to have superior output than Manhattan, he was doing all sorts of interesting things to the Dark Avengers, not sure he lacks a method of completely getting rid of Manhattan, so either Stalemate or MM wins.
" @pooty said:double agreed" @capall: Owen had one bad showing and now people think he's a punk. "Agreed. "
" @pooty said:" @capall: Owen had one bad showing and now people think he's a punk. "Agreed. "
What was the bad showing?
"@lordraiden said:"What was the bad showing? "Think they are referring to Sentry / Void taking him down, which I always took as just a really good showing for the Sentry. "
Exactly. I wouldn't call that a bad showing, considering how powerfull Sentry/Void is atm. And MM isn't gone, he'll be back.
A normal Molecule Man should stomp, he wrecked planets,
can mess with reality, beat the friggin Silver Surfer (who is above Dr M)
Molecule Man had all the elder cosmic entities bowing before him
and he went one on one with the Beyonder who was basically the total supreme unbeatable, all knowing God of Marvel universe
Then Bendis came along shook things up and had Molecule Man tripping over his own shoelaces
Yeah but post SecretWars Molecule Man was at least skyfather and could still beat Surfer.
He did silly things and had confidence issues but when push came to shove post Secret Wars still had some respectable level of power
That power was there until Bendis depowered him even more into a guy who just does a party trick or two with molecules. The new Molecule Man has problems beating Daken and suffers a humiliating loss to Sentry
Molecule Man is wrote with the worst level of continuity, either that
or writers like Bendis just never understood the characters he wrote
I absolutely agree with this. I always considered Post Retcon MM at least skyfather level, and like you said, he had a respectable level of power until Bendis fucked him hard. We should come up with a new category for MM when using him in battles= Pre Bendis" Yeah but post SecretWars Molecule Man was at least skyfather and could still beat Surfer. He did silly things and had confidence issues but when push came to shove post Secret Wars still had some respectable level of power That power was there until Bendis depowered him even more into a guy who just does a party trick or two with molecules. The new Molecule Man has problems beating Daken and suffers a humiliating loss to Sentry Molecule Man is wrote with the worst level of continuity, either that or writers like Bendis just never understood the characters he wrote "
" @Hellos said:i would consider that bad writing since owen was at one point probably top 5 most powerful being and gets handled by sentry/void"@lordraiden said:Exactly. I wouldn't call that a bad showing, considering how powerfull Sentry/Void is atm. And MM isn't gone, he'll be back. ""What was the bad showing? "Think they are referring to Sentry / Void taking him down, which I always took as just a really good showing for the Sentry. "
" @Hellos said:Agreed. Plus Owen killed Sentry 3 times in that fight before the Void finally finished off Owen. Not to mention in the New Avengers stories the combined might of SHIELD, the Fantastic Four, the X-men, the New Avengers and Dr. Strange couldn't take down the Void, so why is Owen suddenly a loser because he got taken down by it too?"@lordraiden said:Exactly. I wouldn't call that a bad showing, considering how powerfull Sentry/Void is atm. And MM isn't gone, he'll be back. ""What was the bad showing? "Think they are referring to Sentry / Void taking him down, which I always took as just a really good showing for the Sentry. "
WTF is going on here? Dr Manhattan easily stop playing ok? He had a bad showing lol let's make this about power and not fans. Matter fact I stand behind his showing and his powers may be limitless. He can create I don't know how many duplicates of himself just as powerful. People argue about his set opponents abilities to control molecules and matter like molecule man or Galactus. What makes any of you think he's not as good at controlling his molecular powers as they are? Is he not also an energy being forged by his own will? How do you know he can't just make 10 duplicates the size of Galactus or bigger? How do you know Galactus can absorb him or MM can do this guy in so easily?
Molecule actually has good feats. Manhattan's best feat is blowing up a tank; in the movie, his best feat wasn't him, it was Ozy's machine (nuking a few cities).
Molecule Man has better feats. Speculation on how powerful Manhattan could be is worthless without feats to back it up; sorry.
Dr. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Nothing more.
"A normal Molecule Man should stomp, he wrecked planets, can mess with reality, beat the friggin Silver Surfer (who is above Dr M) Molecule Man had all the elder cosmic entities bowing before him and he went one on one with the Beyonder who was basically the total supreme unbeatable, all knowing God of Marvel universe Then Bendis came along shook things up and had Molecule Man tripping over his own shoelaces "
Bendis is an asshole who nerfs people. BEyonder, Molecule Man, amongst others
" @Postacrat: Molecule actually has good feats. Manhattan's best feat is blowing up a tank; in the movie, his best feat wasn't him, it was Ozy's machine (nuking a few cities). Molecule Man has better feats. Speculation on how powerful Manhattan could be is worthless without feats to back it up; sorry. Dr. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Nothing more. "QFT
" @JediXMan said:" @Postacrat: Molecule actually has good feats. Manhattan's best feat is blowing up a tank; in the movie, his best feat wasn't him, it was Ozy's machine (nuking a few cities). Molecule Man has better feats. Speculation on how powerful Manhattan could be is worthless without feats to back it up; sorry. Dr. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Nothing more. "QFT "
Power over time and space,
Regeneration,
Energy and matter manipulation,
Flight,
Immortality,
Superhuman strength, speed and durability,
Intangibility,
Precognition,
Teleportation,
Self-duplication,
Superhuman growth
--I'm done with this..
I've read Watchmen. I've seen the movie (which I didn't think was as bad as some people say).
I know all of his feats.
So you're saying that we should be allowed to speculate, huh? Okay. I speculate that Molecule Man is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.
There. Speculation isn't that fruitful, is it now?
PS: For the record, Molecule Man was pretty much omnipotent before his retcon.
" @JediXMan: your confusing constructive speculation with opinionated..in truth none of it's fruitful "Actually, what I stated Molecule Man to be wasn't far from what he really was. He really was that powerful at one point.
So no, it's not opinionated. I certainly have more proof backing me.
" @JediXMan: your confusing constructive speculation with opinionated..in truth none of it's fruitful "You aren't doing any better than he is. You're assuming Dr. Manhattan has what it takes to defeat Molecule Man, when there isn't enough evidence to support that he can win.
" @Static Shock said:Nobody ever tried before. Ozy's machine, as Manhattan himself said, is the same thing that created him in the first place. Makes perfect sense that it wouldn't kill him." @Postacrat: Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. All of Dr. Manhattan's abilities don't matter at this point. "Except perhaps that he cannot be killed. "
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